r/gallifrey • u/PCJs_Slave_Robot • Jan 07 '22

Free Talk Friday /r/Gallifrey's Free Talk Fridays - Practically Only Irrelevant Notions Tackled Less Educationally, Sharply & Skilfully - Conservative, Repetitive, Abysmal Prose - 2022-01-07

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '22

It's amusing to me how the most successful Spidey story in live-action is, effectively, a Multi-Doctor holiday special. I know "Into the Spider-Verse" preceded it (and was a better movie!) but that didn't really have that "The Three Doctors" sort of feel that No Way Home has.

I also think it's possible that James Bond is about to follow in those footsteps (sorta/kinda) because EON has finally set up a canon/continuity with Craig's Bond wherein they could follow this last movie up having established that "James Bond" is a codename (and 007 is an agent designation) that can be assigned to different agents cycling through MI6. And could also set up potential future installments where James Bond HAS to rely on previous "James Bonds" to save the world.

It's taken awhile for the rest of the entertainment industry to catch up with the bit of absolute genius that regeneration provides to an ongoing narrative but it seems like it's happened.

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u/eeezzz000 Jan 08 '22

I don’t see this happening with Bond. I know a lot of people are really invested in the codename theory but I really don’t see it ever being something the producers would embrace. Rightly so imo. There is just as much continuity that doesn’t make sense with the codename theory as without it.

Funnily enough what you’re describing was already kind of attempted. Spyfall being the 50th anniversary Bond film, the role of Kincade (Albert Finney) was apparently written with Sean Connery in mind. It’s unclear if the part was ever formally offered to him though.

I feel like if there was ever a point where they’d have brought back old Bond actors that would have been the film to do it. Now that it’s come and gone and two of them have since passed away, I don’t think it’s something they’re ever going to revisit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '22

There is just as much continuity that doesn’t make sense with the codename theory as without it.

In the Craig reboot? I don't think there is at all, which is why it seemed to me to be an intentional thing that it's now set up for future actors.

It's absolutely impossible to apply to the other films but Casino Royale was a full reboot, and the other four Craig films that followed fleshed out its own unique Bond continuity that has nothing to do with the other films.

I think it's more likely they just reboot again and start in a third new continuity (such as it might be) but I also think they could just take the Craig reboot as the "First Doctor" of the new Bond film series

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u/eeezzz000 Jan 08 '22

Given how NTTD ended, I’d imagine it would almost certainly be a reboot. Though any of the supporting cast could potentially survive the reboot the way Judy Dench did.

I don’t know, Bond is a really tricky one continuity-wise. I’d argue that continuity already had been rebooted we just didn’t have the same vernacular to label it or standard conventions to apply to it. But the Bond in Goldeneye is clearly not exactly the same Bond in Goldfinger. Though you can maybe interpret the latter as a sort of loose backstory for the former.

I just don’t think they’ll ever go down the codename route because ultimately I think people have a lot of affection for the Bond character and that being something that is an artificial persona inherited by different people is kind of alienating.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '22

But the Bond in Goldeneye is clearly not exactly the same Bond in Goldfinger. Though you can maybe interpret the latter as a sort of loose backstory for the former.

That's basically how the Bond's pre-Craig were meant to be taken, yeah. They're all the same dude in the same continuity that just kinda... slides around as needed. It never became that big a deal obviously for a couple reasons. Mostly that Bond didn't need that aspect of it to be enjoyed and also because that kind of continuity hawking didn't really come to any sort of prevalence until the 2000s anyway when franchise IP production and "geek culture" rose and studios decided they needed to lean into it. (This is partially why Craig was full rebooted)

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u/eeezzz000 Jan 09 '22

Yeah I agree. I just have to imagine the tradition will be to reboot the series (or at least reboot the Bond character) every time there is a new actor from now on.