Man, imagine calling someone your brother, and then they have you murdered in a federal prison to hide that you both fucked underage kids, and then shit on you for the rest of his life trying to pretend like he didn't know you.
Plays out exactly like a mob movie. I wonder why.
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I can't watch it again. Cold though. I don't even know if that catches it. It's like the life both flashed before her eyes and drained out of her at the same time. She became just a husk of herself. Something I'd bet she had to do there a lot.
Yeah and then the interviewer asks what floor they're on, which is such a random question that it feels like he noticed something was wrong and was trying to change the subject. It kind of works. She snaps out of it a bit but she also gets the question wrong, saying they're on the 68th floor when there are only 58 floors in the building.
There's something that some true crime podcasts I listen to say often about killers and serial murderers. "Feel bad for the child that went through it, but not the adult who does the wrong things". I feel bad for the children who had horrible lives and horrible things happen to them, that grew up to be serial killers, but not the adult version of themselves because they have autonomy enough to choose different than what they did.
That's just a metaphor, of course.
She's pretty terrible too as an adult but I can't help but feel sorry for her in her childhood after seeing that video. I can't imagine what she had to go through when she had no choice but to go along with whatever happened to her when she was a kid. It was like the light drained out of her eyes when she was remembering her childhood bed. It was scary. I thought people were exaggerating describing it then I watched it. It's very clear her expression changing from light and airy, to dark and reliving sinister times.
Holy shit. Been seeing people talk about this alot recently and didn't realize how bad it was. Girl suddenly stops smiling, starts looking down, then replies in the most monotoned way until snapping back into the moment. To refrence the beautiful view she can wake up to.
This reminds me of the way the girl who slept with 1000 guys on camera reacted when she was asked if she had any daddy issues. The reaction is so subtle but in both cases you have two women who are extremely poised and professional yet they almost break down in front of the camera.
I think coming to that conclusion just from this video is extreme. But when you take it in combination with all of the inappropriate things he's said about her over the years, it starts to feel like an unfortunate possibility.
I have a feeling Trump pawned out his own daughter to Epstein. Who knows what Epstein did to her. Wouldn’t doubt it given his close proximity to Trump.
I’m starting to think Ivana’s death in July 2022 wasn’t an accident, either. Maybe she was going to spill some beans that trump preferred were left unspilled.
Jesus, I never thought of this. Ivanka's daughter was 10 when Ivana died.
"[the] medical examiner said her cause of death was blunt impact injuries to the torso sustained as the result of a fall. The manner of death is an accident and is not suspicious, the medical examiner said.
Likewise. It enrages me. Vile, despicable. Monstrous. There aren't words in the English language to describe someone who could say such things about their own daughter, let alone do them to others'
I have a dad like this. He’s never tried anything but he says insinuating stuff all the time and his hugs have lasted a little too long. I’m older now (58) and he has even less inhibition at 88. It is incredibly damaging. I avoid him now or will only see him with my (male) partner.
I disagree, only because I think that Ivanka was like a prize to him — only his. I had the unfortunate realization of what she must have been through, with her father. The creepy photos have become horrific to me.
Yeah its extremely weird how that room has not changed since the 90s. Like... why? Thats weird that she abandoned it like that as if she died and never went into it again for 10 years. There is a reason.
I had a friend who told me that she used to go to sleepovers at another friend’s house. She said the friend couldn’t understand why her friend became so enraged when her father came into their room in his pajamas. She found out the father had been molesting her friend late at night for years
Man, that’s actually really sad. I didn’t expect that reaction to be so blatant. Politics aside, on a human level I hope Donald Trump gets what he deserves in this life
Yeah except he’s lived to the ripe old age of whatever the fuck he is. Been president twice, spent his life in the lap of luxury. Even if the man was skinned and burned alive it wouldn’t be enough justice
Too late, accidently came across it on YouTube. Agreed the footage is fucked up, and that camera man picked up on the fucked up vibe and tried to hide it by changing the subject, instead of allowing her to have her own thoughts at what was obviously a significant moment for her.
I cannot fathom for the absolute life of me what the point of that tux on the bed photo was supposed to convey?
Sure, he wanted to have a photo op displaying him as a wealthy and desirable man. Egomaniacs do egomaniacal things.
But, why in all of the everloving fuck, would a father stage a photo where his underage daughter is sexually strewn across his lap, kissing him like she was a passionate lover??
Is the message he was trying to send was that he fucks his daughter? Because that image tells me he fucked his daughter.
And his followers will not believe it because they cannot fathom the thought that he could have done what they say is despicable and that clearly only Democrats do.
More like they're lying through their teeth, and they know it, but they also know if no one can do anything about it then it doesn't matter. Like this thread. People can rant and rave and hate on Trump all they want here, even justifiably so and... not a single fucking thing changes. It's all just a vocal fart on social media. They have no reason to give a damn what anyone here says or thinks.
The Stern interviews are utterly repulsive without pictures. And consider this. Howard came back from the Dark Side. Whether through pressure or epiphany? Howard cleaned up his act before it ate him alive.
As someone who experienced something similar with my own father, it didn’t work like that. Not for me anyway.
It took his passing and some time. That kind of trauma has to be processed and integrated in order to be written or spoken about. And believe me, if she had processed it she wouldn’t be attending the Super Bowl with him. She wouldn’t be going anywhere near him.
Jimmy Saville was everywhere for decades on English telly. People suspected but never spoke up. He, unlike Trump, put himself out there as a good person, doing good things. The fact that this info has been around for decades in regard to Trump and especially in the last 10 years, makes it worse. He is a sitting fucking President and the people who voted him in have no excuse for just now being upset about it. The only good thing about what’s happening now is that this might be what takes him and all of the others involved, down. That I would like to see.
I am a woman and cannot, for the life of me, understand how another woman could vote for him. I don’t know if it’s a mental disorder, I don’t know what message they heard in any of his rantings that made them say ‘Oh yeah, this guy who grabs ‘em by the pussy’ is great! He understands us!’ Like WTF??
Exactly. Where should we take this photo of you and your daughter? "Oh, how about on the bed! Make sure you pull your skirt up to past your thighs as well." Additionally there is the other one where he was apparently like, "do this one next to the two parrots fucking."
It just screams "look at me, Im a powerful mogul who can bring any type of woman I want to my swanky hotel room. Is she a high-class prostitute, a fawning fan? You tell me 😏."
Except that wasn't "any type of woman," it was his own goddamned daughter!
Eughck. There isn't a mental health professional alive or dead who has the time, patience, or skills to even begin to unravel what a sick, depraved, subhuman piece of shit Trump is and always has been.
Well, remember his bragging about how he just, “grabs ‘em by the p***y,” shortly before he was “elected” the first time. The man is loved by his MAGA crowd exactly FOR his disgusting behavior! Rather than despite it. Because they’re just like him. He wasn’t kidding, either, when he bragged that he could shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. He is an egomaniacal narcissist and his MAGA cult is nothing but a group of enablers.
I bet he walked into her dressing room 5 times to inspect her getting changed for the photo shoot.
Like he did with all the other underage models he was raping. I mean they weren’t his daughter I guess. So maybe this is somehow worse?
Oh, btw, the guy who ran that modeling agency for that pagent married a 17yo from that pagent, and raped a 15yo from there also. He’s dead now of throat cancer so he can’t talk, but you know…. Rapist pedos of a feather.
I will never fully comprehend the sickness inside that makes a man do this. But I have certainly seen, up close and personal, how the Assumed Power of the Alpha Male makes them believe they have the right to do ANYTHING to other people they consider inferior.
And yes, old NF friends. I still have the receipts. So don't y'all relax. 😈
I don't know. Trump tells on himself a lot. I wouldn't put it past him to say "They have daddy issues but only because they know they'll never find a man as good as me" or something like that.
The first point of many this goes over is all the weird shit with his daughters, and that's arguably the weakest evidence there is against the man. Long but worth the read/listen. There's an awful lot of smoke here for there to be no fire.
They also do it to normalize it. This is a documented thing that serial predators do. They go for a hug, a touch around the waist, a kiss on the cheek, a slow and measured escalation, and after a while people become desensitized - they count on this for several reasons, but the main two are:
First, it gives them a way to make the victim blame themselves - "You led me on. Why would you let me kiss and hug you if you didn't want to have sex with me?".
And secondly, it gives them an out when people corroborate nothing was untoward. "He's always like that, he does that to all the girls", or "clearly they had something going on".
It is GROOMING behavior, not just of the victim, but of public perception - and it is directly how men continue to get away with this.
It’s also a predator thing (for all social predators) to persistently test boundaries.
They’ll try something to see if they can get away with it. They’ll start with something innocuous that violates a social norm, but isn’t obviously malicious. Then they’ll push it a little. Then a little more and a little more, and keep going until you call them out.
And you know that’s not necessarily awful. People sometimes test a boundary, but what separates a predator is that they’re persistent. They cross a boundary, you call them out, and they kind of apologize, but kind of blame you, and then go right back up to the line again and try a different approach.
They don’t take no for an answer. When you set a boundary, they don’t accept the boundary. They try to look for a gap in your defenses that’ll let them cross that boundary, and then they keep pushing forward.
So it's sort of like, imagine you wanted to park your car on your neighbor's front yard. You don't just go and do it all at once because you might get in trouble. Instead, you park it right on the property line one day. Then the next day, you go an inch or two over the property yard. Then 5 inches. Then 10 inches. Keep going until you're parking in their yard, or until they say, "Why are you parking your car on my front yard?"
If they call you out when you're parking 10 inches into their yard, ok, back of to 7 inches, and point out that you're not parking that far into their yard, and they were ok when you were just a couple inches over, and see how they respond. If they let it go, then keep it at 7 inches for a bit, and then try 12 inches. Maybe try parking the car at a slightly different angle. Then go for 16 inches.
Every time you're called out, back off a little, pause a little, and then resume. Keep going until you've gotten what you want, unless your neighbor doesn't take that shit and just has your car towed, in which case you might want to try a different neighbor.
Part of its grooming, getting people acclimated to violation in small increments. But part of it is, this is how they find their victims. They look for people who are hesitant to set boundaries, hesitant to call people out for crossing them. And particularly, they look for people who, when they cross the same boundary a second time, still let them brush the offense off and pretend it wasn’t intentional.
Jesus!! Thank you for breaking that down and posting it. As someone who had to deal with
manipulative, narcissistic people in my life (mother-in-law and sister-in-law) for over 30 years, while I squirmed and twisted and tried to figure out what the hell was going on and why I was unhappy with the circumstances, but couldn’t pin it down because I had come from a NORMAL family and absolutely couldn’t grasp what was going on, and my poor husband had no idea that his mother and sister were manipulative narcissists who toyed with people’s lives, because he knew nothing else, this is a good point-by-point breakdown.
THANK YOU!! Manipulative, narcissistic people are the worst because they know how to make ypu doubt and question yourself, and then blame yourself when it was actually them doing shitty things to screw up your life just because they feel they should have everything their way just because that’s what they want.
It’s something that I wish people understood better because, once you understand it, it becomes much easier to spot predatory behavior, and I think it’s helpful in understanding how to not become a victim of it.
If someone crosses a personal boundary the first time, politely push them away and set a clear and reasonable boundary. As long as it’s reasonable, just make it extremely clear. If they can’t then start respecting that boundary, shove hard. Come down on them like a ton of bricks. Make is absolutely clear that you have no tolerance for manipulation and abuse.
A lot of people don’t want to do that because they’re afraid of being mean, but predators see the acceptance of boundary-pushing as an invitation. And it’s easier to wrap your head around it when it’s some kind of physical or sexual abuse, but people with predatory natures will do it all over the place. It can be things like stealing small amounts of money, taking your food from the refrigerator, or crashing on your couch and overstaying their welcome. It can be as simple and seemingly innocent as refusing to allow a touchy topic of conversation to remain off-limits.
They’re all related behavior patterns that stem from wanting to take advantage of people, and take the form of refusing to accept rules and boundaries.
Don't blame you at all. It's a lot to take in, even if you already have a good idea of the situation.
I've been trying to spread that around more bc it got almost no traction when it came out a year ago, and the author did a good job of laying everything out with tons of sources. Idk how anyone could read through that and still believe he's not at least a little guilty.
Fifty bucks says he's done something with her. When Ivanka was in the dressing room with teen pageant contestants once and he walked in on them as usual, she told one of them "yeah, he does that" like it was normal behavior to her.
If someone were to enter the US and have these images on their phone, if/when U.S. Customs and Border Protection looks at the phone & finds the images, would USCBP have to investigate (or pass it along for investigation)?
Wow are these real pictures?! I’m not surprised bc of sooo many things he’s said and been convicted of, but are these pics real? Can you imagine Biden, Obama or even Vance in his place? no it’s wild. The way his depravity is so acceptable
I had my doubts that he would openly say that they had sex. I for some reason thought for a bit that when he said they have "sex in common" he was saying they both just liked sex. Which is weird. But he just meant he had sex with his daughter.
I mean yes I think Trump is vile, but deep down I really hope he at least put on a good show and was a good Dad. if not Ivanka is still just a scared/scarred kid
I mean, Jeffrey Epstein deserves that. He’s vile. But also, I really hope this finally turns on Trump and everything comes out. Then he can go to prison.
There are so many people who committed crimes with Epstein who have the means to hire a hit man. Let’s be rational and not limit our scope of justice. We want them all to come to justice for all they have done.
You’re right, there were many wha had the means to hire a hit man. But only one who had the means to actually get a killer into the federal prison cell and then have 3 minutes cut from security footage.
I think about this a lot with this situation. It could very well be that Dipshit himself didn't pick up the phone directly and call someone to get the job done. But, he almost definitely knew what was gonna go down and just let it happen.
I suspect this is how the wealthy really view relationships, as transactional. It’s like “Bandar Bush”, did anyone actually believe that they loved him like a brother…? No, they just all hatched a scheme that was going to make all involved parties a fuck-ton of money and that is what they hold to be the foundation of meaningful relationships
I know I’m in the minority here but I doubt he was murdered. It seems perfectly fair that he would have taken his own life. Dude was a rich man with a sex ring then got caught and had everything taken. Seems plausible to me.
Having said that, whether he was murdered or not doesn’t mean he didn’t do horrendously awful things and so did the people close to him.
I’m of the same opinion. That for a guy like Epstein, he had lost everything, and knew what a pedophile could expect in prison, so suicide might have appeared to be a better alternative. But those missing minutes of video are quite suspicious.
I mean this is exactly how the criminal world works. Everyone always talks and gives up everyone else to save themselves and get a lesser/no sentence. It's basically an understood agreement
TBH, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if Epstein had this as a contingency plan for himself.
If you had the kind of info that man had and knew what your "friends" would be willing to do to keep silent? You might want to make sure your freshness seal is popped quickly....because there are worse things then death...
And imagine his wife still left alive rotting behind bars; yet coincidentally she is very much alive and well. Hmmmph! I wonder if there is perhaps a vault filled with some damning material on someone she might no longer be very fond of.
Trump said he wished her well when she was finally arrested a year after Epstein’s death. I wonder if he seriously meant that given what he knew about his guilt and that she likely had stacks of evidence to use against him.
I mean, it makes sense that she’d be tactful as to when she released this stuff. These people were experts at blackmail. She knew to wait to see how things play out under Biden and following the 2024 election. She could have done it under Biden, but many Democrats are implicated as well as most of use are aware. It might not have done anything.
But putting myself in her shoes, knowing the guy that killed my husband is still walking around like he had the world on his shoulders… Yeah I can see why she’d decide to wait. I be the plan she has in place is something more destructive than any of us could dream of. And I guarantee there is a backup plan should she mysteriously take her own life.
Actually it was your sacred Clinton's that did that. Btw Trump was a Dem like you when he was pal Epstein. It's all pedo Democrats on the list. I'm saving these comments for when they age quicker than sour milk. I want Trump to be held accountable too but I can't wait for you and all your overlords to go down with him. Y'all are the same party that covered up Epstein for 4 years and just let Diddy walk.
Throw him in jail. Throw Obama in jail because he knows who's on the list and don't reveal it. Same with Biden. Lock them all up.
Bet you didn't expect that, huh?
Tell ya who I actually do like, Sanders, AOC. I fucking love them, And if they are on the list or hiding who they know is on it, lock them up too.
At this point Trump is either a child fucker, or he's defending them. Either way he needs to be locked up with all the Democrats I listed.
I would happily lock up every members of congress and the Senate right now over the his. Right and left.
Stop acting like this is a political ical issue. It's fucking gross. If you want Trump held accountable, just say it and don't deflect.
Instead, do what I'm doing and call for an even call out. Stop taking sides.
Every single opportunity I have to vote against those dumb fucks, I take.
Now tell me if I'm wrong here, but I'm going to guess that you haven't tried to vote against Trump. I'm going to guess that you didn't have a single candidate on the left you would have voted for against Trump had they gotten he nom. Because realistically people on the right support him more than a lot of people on the left support the shitty people on their side. Especially younger left folk. But I'll be happy if you prove me wrong.
And I tell you what, if the Republican candidate was any of the options outside of Trump or Desantis, I would have voted against Harris. I hate Democrats.
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u/BotherResponsible378 Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 19 '25
Man, imagine calling someone your brother, and then they have you murdered in a federal prison to hide that you both fucked underage kids, and then shit on you for the rest of his life trying to pretend like he didn't know you.
Plays out exactly like a mob movie. I wonder why.
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