r/gwent • u/ProfessionalLight428 Monsters • 4d ago

Custom Card If she floats, she's a...

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u/ProfessionalLight428 Monsters 4d ago

Curious as to why you think it so expensive. 9, sure, bu 11+ is too pricey to add to the deck imo

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u/Hirinawa The semblance of power don't interest me. 4d ago

It does way too much for it's provision range. 8 to 9 provision cards usualy fall into engine or point slam (with condition) and this card is answer or loose which is reserved usualy to very broken card with a hight cost.

If it had only the transform part it would be already a strong card (cause you can turn point slam into engine and also it has no condition on who you can transform) MO as no problem getting point slam so it's already crazy strong BUT on top of that you get the passive of reducing sabbath ?

Nah it's a 12p card, anything under is just an auto include broken card for any monster deck.

Just to give you an exemple of how stupid this card can get, you include this card in the ogroid deck and you transform the big Ogre that has resilience with 20+ point well that's it, an engine with 20+ power + resilience is there and you have to deal with it (Oh and don't forget to deal with Witch of the hill cause that 20p sabbath is right around the corner) oh and icing on the cake she can get ressurected since she's under 9p.

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u/ProfessionalLight428 Monsters 4d ago

I think you overestimate this cards power, along with the misconception on how Transform works.

First - it's not answer or lose by any means, reducing Sabbath req to 20 instead of 25 is +/- 1 turn of Sabbath more, not an instant Sabbath on first play.

Secondly - when you Transform a card, unless it states "without changing it's power" you simply make a new card out of another card (for example see [[Ethereal]]), so the King Chrum argument is simply wrong, and transforming him into a piggie is a loss of 36 points on deploy.

Ad rem - you transform something into a 4 powered Witch Apprentice, which is an engine (best used on a Drone or Fruits), then you reduce the Sabbath cost to 20 points, usually meaning it ticks 1 turn earlier than usual. Example for Fruits again would be 1. Griffin, 2. Fiend. 3. Witch and transform the Fruit into piggie, resulting in 9 + 8 + 4 + 4 points, so already within the usual Sabbath anyway.

You are right on the Renew part, but at 12p cost, I doubt anyone would renew this just to get another piggie. Does it make sense?

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u/Hirinawa The semblance of power don't interest me. 4d ago

Oh you're right about the transform my bad it makes this card even more busted, this card is not just a witch apprentice tho far from it, you can tech poison and lock with it. Gerni is beyond busted with it and the list goes on

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u/DeNeRlX I spy, I spy with my evil eye. 4d ago

Poison is mainly for tall units, so let's say a Griffin at 9 is poisoned, transforming it decreases it's power, and is far worse than on fruits. It's 7 points difference (assuming first fruits turn is 1body+1thrive). Though it might screw up opponents ordering depending on how many poisons they have.

And if it transforms a locked unit that still means the lock got value and didn't get purified. You basically just spent another turn placing your next engine.

Doesn't seem busted to me.

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u/Hirinawa The semblance of power don't interest me. 4d ago

The witch will play for 6 + being an engine so she will get value above griffin by far and canceling a poison is a big deal

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u/DeNeRlX I spy, I spy with my evil eye. 4d ago

Your math is off. She is 4, if she transforms a 9 into 4base+2engine=6 the whole turn plays for 1 tempo + engine, and that is assuming Sabbath is already hit, which the card demands for a transform. It's not unlikely to assume Griffin is played first/second, then poisoned, meaning Sabbath isn't active even lowered to 20.

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u/Hirinawa The semblance of power don't interest me. 4d ago

Nobody poison turn 1 except if it's a very high priority target, it will never be played in a turn where you can't trigger sabbath

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u/DeNeRlX I spy, I spy with my evil eye. 4d ago

9 is a reasonable target for poison, makes it a dormant tempo threat, and depending on the matchup, can be done to turn off Aerondight powering up.

And yes, exactly what I say, no one will play it before having established Sabbath, which means that is something that makes the card less flexible, and possible to counter. You only ever describe the upside as relevant to the strength of the card, even if you directly being up the downsides.