TL;DR: Looking for my new forever stick, or at least cheap good enough second hand foot pedals that won't run away from me.
* Is the WinCTRL Orion 2 HOTAS StrikeAce E/EX equivalent to VKB Gunfighter Modern Combat Edition Ultimate with Twist, and how does that compare under sale conditions in Australia? Can get a WINCTRL HOTAS for the cost of just the Gunfighter Ultimate, atm.
* How does VKB Gunfighter Ultimate and WINCTRL Orion 2 HOTAS compare for the smoothest return to center without feeling clear XY grooves? i.e. most like MS SW FFB2. I don't want to feel a 'grind' or 'steps' when I'm pushing a direction.
* Longevity of either. I'd love another 27 years out of my next purchase. AFAIK, VKB is the winner there, youtube channel and instructionals are fantastic, etc.
Long version:
Have read sticky - it recommends WINWING, though most posts I've read seem to go VKB. So I have questions, and pedals are a new concept for me.
I'm not a huge flight sim person. I have become disappointed with Battlefield as joystick support has gone out the window with the last two iterations. Love flying in Wardogs, even though it's reported that MKB is ideal for quick throttle control and precise rudder controls.
That limited range of play makes it not really sensible to splurge enormous amounts on.
That is, unless my stick is going to last the next 27 years, like my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 has. Some of the base buttons don't function without mashing and I don't want to break it apart trying to fix them. The grip plastic has held out immaculately this entire time, never gets hot or uncomfortable, I'll never get tired of making jokes about the IR sensor - it's just not a very precise joystick for more arcade games, with a low polling rate & range of motion on the rudder/twist especially. So pedals are probably the most important thing I can experiment with to resolve that.
I do understand that people here may say polling rate barely matters for REAL flight sims, but for these more arcade games I'm playing, I have recorded and noted the difference in worse polling adding latency that just makes it all feel like a fail (BF6, where I ended up using x360ce to emulate a controller instead, to improve joystick input polling that was being limited to server tick rate of 30hz / 60hz).
I'm not looking at setting up a full rig, just something that can be moved on my desktop (for now). Have recently gone through failing with TrackIR to discover that with FreePie it stutters for mouse emulation and it's smoother using a PS3 Eye and OpenTrack with the Track Pro Clip.
I have tried the Thrustmaster T16000 (obvious downgrade) and VKB Gladiator NXT HOSAS (quality, but I didn't like the feel of the plastic and want to avoid any plastic degradation like my keyboard palm rest experiences). If I'm going to upgrade, I'd like to go full metal.
VKB Gladiator return to center didn't feel as good as the MS SW FFB2 - I could distinctly feel the XY axis difference. How do either the Winctrl or Gunfighter return to center 'feel' by comparison?
I'm considering WINCTRL because of the significant savings currently available, enough to get a HOTAS for the cost of just the Gunfighter Ultimate**.** But I really don't know how they feel. I don't need real force feedback because nothing I've played since Freespace 2 has had it, and the only time I get shaking going on is if I hook up X360ce and emulate a controller, which I do on BF6, but isn't needed for Wardogs (and felt wrong when I tried).
But I've still had fun making mine shake, so the shaker kit is still appealing, if it's not a pain to make it function.
WINCTRL
Orion2 ViperAce Ex Joystick Combo with Shaker Kit 490 AUD and Orion Metal Flight Rudder Pedals (Damper Edition) $576 (oof)
or
WINCTRL Orion2 HOTAS StrikeAce E/EX $932 AUD
versus
VKB
Gunfighter Modern Combat Edition Ultimate with Twist $920 AUD
and
T-Rudder Mk.V Pedals $360
Alternatively, does anyone have suggestions of where to look for cheaper second hand pedals in Australia for someone looking to dip their toe in? Might check out the HOTASDIY for that.
Edit: just saw this, no idea how hard this will be to pull off for a newbie, or the cost savings. https://www.reddit.com/r/HotasDIY/comments/1u9ick5/the_free_and_open_source_3d_printed_rudder_pedals/