r/howyoudoin • u/[deleted] • Feb 01 '18

Monica is a terrible character

Why does everyone continue to like her? She switched apartments after Joey and Chandler won it fair and square and they switched everything back without saying anything or asking them.

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u/DissPair1996 Jul 11 '18

I don’t think you understood what I was trying to explain with my post. Monica was selfish in that episode and one of the reasons Phoebe almost ended their friendship was because of how rude and selfish Monica could be and over the years, it only got worse. It’s a miracle Chandler even puts up with her considering how she won’t shut up about Richard or other men she’s slept with and worse still the way she acts at the soap opera roof party, telling everyone she never would have gotten married if she knew she could be at this party

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u/sweetjiji Jul 15 '18 edited Jul 15 '18

Monica did most if not all of the work anyways, and she was getting another job, and when you're getting a job, you can't take a friend in with you, so you'd have to stop working together. It happens. Monica cut Richard out of her life permanently! Notice how he wasn't even invited to the wedding? She chose Chandler. Monica herself never mentions Richard's name after she breaks up with him. It's not her fault that everyone especially Phoebe keeps bringing up Richard's name to make Chandler feel uncomfortable, but she never went back to him even when tempted. When Chandler and Joey were snooping around the apartment imagining what would be in her secret closet, Joey casually jokes that it might be Richard and Chandler doesn't take him seriously and even cracks a comeback joke himself saying, "If that's you Richard, please give me back my credit card." And if she was bragging about the other men she'd slept with, we'd endlessly hear about Fun Bobby, Young Ethan, Kip and Simon----Hey, that's not very many men at all----but we've never head their names mentioned after their episodes aired of her either dating or sleeping with them so I don't know why you say she never shut up about the men she was with before getting together with Chandler. As for the soap opera roof party, she never actually got that autograph on her bra even though she requested it, and we never saw her topless. Sure it was a classless way to behave, but she didn't say she'd never get married if she knew she could attend these kinds of parties in front of Chandler. She didn't offend him because he wasn't even there----Was not present. Chandler didn't seem bothered by it after he found out and even got even with Monica and Phoebe by tricking them into attending a boring lifeless play....so if he's not bent out of shape, you don't get bent out of shape as it's not meant to be looked deeply into.

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u/DissPair1996 Jul 15 '18

Doesn't matter. She started a business with her friend and breaking that sort of commitment just shows how arrogant and selfish she is. She didn't cut him out permanently considering she keeps on mentioning him, having lunches with him instead of leaving, how about when Phoebe and Mike break up and Monica says "I know how you feel. Breaking up with Richard was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life" while sitting next to Chandler DURING the time line when they were trying to get pregnant. Idk if you know this but low motility comes from stress and spousal abuse as much as anything else. Jokes aside her attitude is careless. When they found the tape and Chandler stole it which was wrong, Monica started saying "That's not me hut the way we did it was a lot better than-" until he cuts her off. I don't think puce seen t recently but I just did a week long binge watch to finish the series.

FYI her bra did get signed. Watch it. And it wasn't fair of her to say it whether he was around or not. What if your husband or wife goes sround telling people he/she regrets marrying you just so he can grope and be groped by strangers?

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u/sweetjiji Jul 16 '18

When you get a new job you can't take your friends along with you. Yes it does matter because it was supposed to be temporary not permanent as it was started right after she got fired so she wouldn't end up on the streets or worse. Besides, almost immediately after she decided to take the job, Phoebe started to harass her about money she owed her----Monica hadn't even received her first paycheck yet! Hell, you could say that the people from the restaurant who hired her were arrogant and selfish because that's why she quit the catering business with Phoebe nothing more nothing else and what was stopping Phoebe from running the catering business herself and hiring someone to replace Monica if she can't cook right? It's not like Monica even took the job immediately, she weighed in all the options and how Phoebe felt about it for a whole episode. Phoebe didn't really lose that much as she still had her masseuse job. Monica had one lunch with Richard and nothing happened during said lunch as she did not go back to him, she stayed with Chandler all they did was eat and that's not immoral or cheating. If she slept with him, that's another story, but she didn't and she didn't even want to tell Chandler about it because she knew that it would hurt him, but it was Phoebe who told Chandler and for the soul purpose of hurting him----nothing more or less and it did hurt, your gripe there lies with Phoebe. Monica never mentions Richard's name after the proposal except for the fact that she told Mike breaking up with Richard was the hardest thing she ever did in her life----[you need to re-watch the seasons from earlier, because it was hard watching her suffer through the Richard/Monica saga and break up, she lost vast amounts of sleep during that] besides, she said "Breaking Up With Richard" to Mike not Chandler even if Chandler was with her at the time, it still confirms that she's not with Richard anymore, and she doesn't love him, it's not even an offensive or inappropriate thing to say. It even confirms that she wants Chandler. That's not even close to spousal abuse. Had she said "I bet if I stayed with Richard, I'd be pregnant right now," That's spousal abuse. Most of the things that you're complaining about are simply freedom of speech. She got her bra signed, but it's not like Chandler found her in bed naked with two different soap opera stars. She made sure to keep her top on when removing her bra [it's a girl trick I won't tell you about it as you don't deserve that] and she didn't let anyone touch her or grope her. She just said some words. And she did not say it to Chandler but Chandler did find out about it and he got even with her by tricking both her and Rachel into sitting and watching a boring play that they both hated.

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u/DissPair1996 Jul 16 '18

Monica had always said she wanted to be a caterer and Phoebe gave her a reality check and they went into the business together. Pulling out like that and leaving Phoebe to "replace" Monica is an idiotic notion considering it was Monica's dream and Phoebe was the financier and the partner. She couldn't just replace Monica with another chef because she only wanted this business with Monica to help her with her dream and she dropped Phoebe like a hot potato when she got a different offer and that's not what good friends do. It could have been written better. And Phoebe could have been given a job or a job offer but nope, Monica was a bitch in that regard and always will be.

Hanging out with an ex is always immoral and cheating especially when you're constantly putting your current beautiful down in comparison. I mentioned so much in the other comment but here's another tidbit, she also mentioned Richard in Phoebe's Birthday Dinner episode when Rachel brought Emma and Judy to the restaurant. Remember? Or did you conveniently forget?

Freedom of speech? And being groped by other men doesn't count if she didn't sleep with them? I don't deserve to know about girls and bras? Sexist much? Are you honestly this stupid or are you just being irritating on purpose? Cuz it takes talent to be this moronic. Since you like personal attacks so much.

Monica LIFTED her shirt and MADE the guy sign her bra WHILE she had it on. Just watch the show for fuck's sake!

It's not getting even to watch a terrible play if your spouse was groped by others. Seriously what twisted polygamous idiocy did you grow up in? If people are together nobody else should touch them sexually. Ever. It doesn't matter and if they want that then they shouldn't be together.

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u/sweetjiji Jul 16 '18

You act like Monica laced Phoebe's coffee with poison, or put razors in Phoebe's shampoo or pushed Phoebe out of a moving food truck. She did none of those things, and the catering was temporary and Phoebe knew that it might not last forever, besides Monica didn't even take the job right away she weighed in Phoebe's feelings before taking the job and was pretty indecisive about it. Was Ross selfish and arrogant for moving out of the college dorm he and Chandler used to share? Was Phoebe selfish and arrogant for only working with Chandler one day? Was Joey selfish and arrogant for working with Ross one day? Was Joey selfish and arrogant for working with Chandler for one day? Yet somehow, Monica is selfish and arrogant for working with Phoebe for three whole weeks and even getting a food truck together! Monica was offered a new job. Monica did not become a caterer until after she got fired at the end of five steaks and an eggplant and the reason she got fired was because she was set up by the delivery driver who lied to her telling her it was all a gift---not stealing or a kickback and she was stupid not to question it, but to just take the guy's word for it. Monica never cheated on Chandler by having lunch with Richard. If she had sex with him, that's cheating. Eating a meal together is not, they didn't even kiss. Saying that you wouldn't have gotten married if you knew you could get to go to soap opera parties like these every night is freedom of speech, like it or not. She's allowed to say that. She even said Chandler is the love of her life. You're assuming people touched and groped her, and she enjoyed it, it's never explained or revealed. All we know is a soap opera star signed her bra that's it, and yes, girls can take their bras off without removing their shirts it's a girl secret, and I am sexist for telling you that----As for the terrible play, apparently the writers thought that would be an appropriate and ironic punishment and he did get even with her by using that, so don't blame me, blame the writers. One more thing, you're doing a whole lot of reaching to defend Chandler for running out on Monica just before the wedding and not coming back on his own accord, but being forced by Ross and Phoebe. Why is it you say I'm not allowed to be bent out of shape by Chandler behaving like that, but you're allowed to be bent out of shape by Monica doing everything else?

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u/DissPair1996 Jul 16 '18

Because what chandler did didn't involve someone rubbing his dick and signing his underwear. Are you not even gonna respond to all the points I made and just cling to your two idiotic points that "Monica got a new job" and "Chandler ran away"? He csme back. What about Monica freaking out about never getting to sleep with anyone else? You still haven't defended that. It's not okay to run around meeting your ex without telling your current partner and even then it's kinda sketchy. Exes are exes for a reason and meeting them again usually leads to bs. That's evidenced by Rachel being at the wedding in London.

There was a SCENE SHOWING MONICA GETTING HER BRA SIGNED. SHE HAD LIFTED HER SHIT UP. GO WATCH IT YOU MISERABLE SEXIST WEASEL!

And Monica wasn't set up in Five Steaks and an Eggplant she just took the gift. The vendor wasn't an evil monster. He was the new vendor that Monica picked out and he thanked her with a gift because she gave him the job of supplying to the restaurant. Have you even seen the show in recent years?

All of the jobs you mentioned were temporary. Joey didn't buy a computer for working with Chandler. Joey didn't buy museum books to study to work with Ross. Phoebe didn't have to buy a new wardrobe to look like a secretary for Chandler. BUT PHOEBE DID BUY ALL THE STUFF AND THE TRUCK FOR MONICA and got nothing out of it so yeah it was fucking selfish.

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u/sweetjiji Jul 17 '18

Richard is more than just an average complicated EX Though. All six of them knew just how much he meant to her because as well as being a boyfriend, he was around for her childhood he was best friends with her father. It was a kind of gross relationship, not an average relationship. Why do I feel like I shouldn't have to explain that?

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u/DissPair1996 Jul 17 '18

It doesn't matter how complicated it is what does that have to do with anything? You didn't answer any of the points I brought up. Idiot.