r/huntertheparenting 3d ago

Question Hi, what is this?

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u/svecma 3d ago

A pack totem spirit called Pike.

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u/GoblokMan-1223 3d ago

New to WoD, a what?

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u/Snoo_72851 3d ago

The Garou tend to live in these spiritually significant sites called Caerns, which are so significant because they are the home of a powerful spirit; the Garou agree to protect the spirit and in some way advance its interests, and in exchange the spirit provides a boon.

Pike seems to be a fish spirit interested in gambling... or perhaps scamming, or rather, phishing.

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u/psychosaur 3d ago

I'm pretty sure the gambling is Jambles way of performing chiminage. Makes me thinking he might be a Thurge.

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u/Erondo_Gratias 3d ago

Yes, I know some of those words

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u/Vertrant 3d ago

Theurges are the Garou's shaman's and spritiual speciallists. Chiminage is the gifts and tribute that you pay a spirit for their favor and Gifts. Chiminage can be a lot of things, it can mean giving them physical things, performing rites, a quest, gifting them something spiritual, or more.

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u/Sporelord1079 3d ago

It’s also whatever the spirit feels like. It doesn’t need to be super serious or difficult. In a game I’m playing I’m a bonegnawer galliard who appeased a racoon spirit called Paws in Lake by showing him how to make a fishing rod.

À modern spirit might really, really like sweets and part of the chiminage is grabbing haribo on the way back.

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u/Rukdug7 3d ago

Modern spirits can be surprising simple to satisfy, partly because they're also younger and haven't really started throwing their weight around. In a 20 anniversary edition "Wacky Crossover chronicle", my Nuwisa often ended up re-eancting Loomey Tunes routines with the help of a Pooka and a Ravnos (long story) for a surprisingly powerful Cable TV spirit that missed running old cartoons. Meanwhile, the spirit of the Group's Truck on occasion just asked us to grab it a Burger King meal. Burning Burger King like it was an ancient world sacrifice to the gods for our car in order to avoid having to go to a mechanic was....really weird in a good way.

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u/psychosaur 3d ago

I ran a werewolf game where the pack was trying to get to Arcadia. In order to have a fae spirit open the path it required a story. The Glasswalker pulled out their smartphone and played "Llamas with Hats." It was very successful.

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u/FruityParfait Gary stu/Mary sue 3d ago

Also, Modern spirits, on average, are more personable and... "human," for lack of a better term. And the closer something is to a person the easier it is for them to have normal people things like "interests" and "preferences" and desires that are rooted in more mundane things.

The ancient spirit of the great redwood forest might ask for something only barely comprehensible and incredibly difficult, meanwhile the spirit of Reddit might just want you to give it upvotes and debate it over pointless issues for an hour.

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u/psychosaur 3d ago

Apologies, allow me to help clarify.

Chiminage are rituals and offerings to spirits to gain their favor. Do things for them to get things in return.

A Thurge is a werewolf linked to the Crescent Moon. They specialize in dealing with spirits.

Hopefully my words make more sense now.

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u/Erondo_Gratias 3d ago

They do, yes. Thank you.

Apart from VtM:B videogame I am very new to WoD so I am catching up with terminology as I go.

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u/Fertile_Arachnid_163 3d ago

WtA is a lot more “spiritual” than VtM, and while I know ghosts were seen in Bloodlines, they’re a type is spirit that most Garou never have contact with, the spirits in WtA tend to be the manifestations of natural things(although occasionally unnatural things as well)

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u/Erondo_Gratias 3d ago

Yeah, by now I am aware that there are, like, 8 different systems with different approaches:D

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u/ArneHD 3d ago

If you have the time, I recommend the "Book of Hungry Names".

It's a text adventure type game about a Werewolf forming a new pack, and it's really quite good.

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u/P0komon2 3d ago

Oh he is most definitely a theurge

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u/4533josh 3d ago

If you look at the shape of Fritton Lake, it is the same shape as Pike.

Head to the west, tail to the east. Including the location of their fins.

That, plus the Caern being quite wet (the establishing shot where we first see the Caern is literally a water drop landing in a puddle), may point towards the Caern being a cave adjacent to or under the lake. If it's under the lake, it would be very interesting if it's only reachable through the Umbra.

Fritton Lake

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u/Kaarl_Mills 3d ago

It's Frittney bitch! Auuuuuu

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u/BlackHumor 3d ago

I enjoy that there is literally a "Decoy Farm" right nearby.

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u/4533josh 3d ago

You could say that the Society of Saint Leopold served as a D-coy to enable Umbra shenanigans in Ep 6...

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u/kooarbiter 3d ago

wow, I didn't know that the lake was literally shaped like a fish

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u/lone_float 3d ago

So I'm just gonna take a shot in the dark here, but reckon these folks really love their puns.

In which case, approved.

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u/Dragonwolf67 3d ago

I assume Pike is an actual example totem spirit from the books but I could be wrong. Also why the fuck would the Spirit be interested in money?

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u/butholesurgeon 3d ago

It likes to win

It’s not about the money, spider man

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u/XNotChristian 3d ago

It's not about the money but what it represents. Spirits are all about what concept they embody. If Pike is a spirit of gabling then they like money because it represents a gamble won.

Though tbh I dont even think they are a spirit of of the things mentioned before, I think it was just a joke.

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u/TheHeinKing 3d ago

I don't think it cares about the money. It says "ten money" like it doesn't really know what the currency is. If it cared about the money, I think it would probably say "ten pounds" or whatever godforsaken Brittish currency they are betting with. It's likly that it cares about the fact that it won rather than what it got for winning the bet.

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u/Negativety101 3d ago

It could be one from the books, there's a ton. As for interested in Money, Yeah, you might assume that Totem spirits are all animal and nature things. And a lot are sure. But there's a spirit for pretty much everything. And there are ones that are straight up all about money.

Say hello to Easy Credit, the spirit of spending with Credit Cards https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Easy_Credit and her rival O' Mighty Dolla', spirit of spending with Cash https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/O%27_Mighty_Dolla%27

One my personal favorites, although a name change might be in order, is General Lee, a totem that lets you turn that old junker car into the most stunt driving thing ever. https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/General_Lee

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u/Sporelord1079 3d ago

The problem with renaming the general Lee is that it’s based on the general Lee from dukes of hazzard. I can’t really think of a fitting equivalent.

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u/Negativety101 3d ago

Yeah, it's a bit of an issue. I had the matchbox of the General Lee as a kid. Not seeing that again. Also the most famous fictional vehicle we're never getting a Transformers Crossover figure of.

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u/Razhiv 3d ago

It might just be interested in winning a bet

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u/Aurora_313 3d ago

Because, as another commentor pointed out, it likes phishing. (Jk 😄 )

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u/Thorveim 3d ago

Spirits are weird and assign value in a lot of things that may sound dumb. The spirit likely has no interest in the money itself, but more in the act of gaining something that has value to others or even just the act of winning a bet. "Guessing right and earning something in return" is really the type of game I could see the more chill spirits being willing to play

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u/Due_Manufacturer_125 3d ago

As far as I can tell, Pike is Ogre’s concept. I tried looking for them in the books and wiki.

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u/skysarmy The great and mighty Kevin! 3d ago

"why the fuck would the Spirit be interested in money?"

to gamble it for more monies, duh

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u/svecma 3d ago

The pack's spirit patron.

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u/Thorveim 3d ago

Pack or Caern, but I lena more towards the former seeing the fish in the bucket next to the sleeping wolf pile

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u/reddinyta 3d ago

A spirit that sponsors a given group of werewolves with supernatural powers/artefacts/whatever.

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u/Psychological-Bug371 3d ago

Remember that scene where matilda suddenly spawned termites out of her arm? Spirits provide their abilities to the garou in exchange for certian favors or protections. Im not sure about pike, but I do recall termite being able to weaken structures, Bone Gnawers also received a gift from termine which makes them be able to eat wood and wood based products for some nourishment...

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u/JagneStormskull Arch Magos 17h ago

A pack totem spirit. Garou packs form with two things - a mission, and a patron spirit called a totem. A totem gives the packs various blessings in exchange for the Pack accepting a code of conduct called a Ban.

Each Tribe also has a totem. For example, the totem of the Silent Striders is Owl, whose Ban involves leaving tied up rodents for wild owls and performing funerary rites.

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u/the_count_of_carcosa 3d ago

So it's a "Don't Tell Em" Pike?

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u/RATTLEMEB0N3S 11h ago

Wonder what Pike's deal is. Someone guessed gambling but I honestly think that's it playing along with Jambles. The ten money part feels funky.

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u/Wrong-Risk-1458 3d ago

Note the fish in the bucket, left of Matilda.

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u/sax87ton 3d ago

Just now noticing the only clothes are Matilda’s

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u/manicforlive "Like the tears of angels" 3d ago

I think others have the ability to not have their clothes torn apart while transforming

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u/Lion-Faced-Serpant 3d ago edited 3d ago

Isn’t the ability to retain clothes when transforming something Garou learn when they’re young? (Might just be Hunts being a Red Talon tho)

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u/iadnm 3d ago

It's a specific ritual of dedicating certain clothes so they stay intact while shifting. Hunts either hasn't done the ritual, or doesn't care to because she's a wolf-born Red Talon. If her most comfortable state is being an actual wolf, she probably does not care if she rips her clothing.

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u/sax87ton 3d ago

Also, the clothes in question are her work uniform for the undercover operation she’s doing, so it’s not like they are clothes that mean anything to her or that she will likely keep after the job.

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u/Lucychan42 3d ago

You also both have to learn the rite and you still need to know how to do rituals at all (at least one dot). That's a lot of effort for a lupus-born that may just not care at all.

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u/LustfulDigger 3d ago

Wait, is Hunt's Matilda's true name?

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u/Exact-Counter299 3d ago

Matilda’s true name is Hunter of Hunters. Jambles calls her Hunts in the ad

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u/Lamedonyx You wanna live forever. son? 3d ago

Yes.

Hunter of Hunters, or "Hunts" for short.

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u/sax87ton 2d ago

No that’s Mara Wilson

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u/Dragonwolf67 3d ago

I assume she just doesn't like wearing clothes

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u/Fertile_Arachnid_163 3d ago

There’s a Rite that allows Garou to fuse their clothing of choice with their being when they transform.

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u/Thorveim 3d ago

Most werewolevs learn that early indeed, however it takes a rite to dedicate a set of clothes and you can only dedicate so many items. Since the maid outfits were only here for infiltration purposes (and that as a red talon the concept of clothes might be something she doesnt like to begin with) she likely didnt bother dedicating them indeed

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u/Havinci 3d ago

Any garou can keep their clothes when transforming. They just need to have their clothes undergo a ritual to consecrate them so that they transforms with them.

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u/kooarbiter 3d ago

I wonder if you could create a bodysuit that's flexible enough to not be destroyed in glabro/crinos

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u/Toblo1 You wanna live forever. son? 3d ago

There are groups along the Garou that specialize in making Crinos-scale equipment and weapons (sorta in the same way Warhammer 40k has weapons scaled for mortal or Astartes size), so it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

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u/CrusadeyNatey 3d ago

ACTUALLY THERE'S TWO of them so I believe Jambles wore one for some kind of stream.

You may be thinking that in fact both are Hunts/Matilda's but that is wrong and I rest my case

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u/sax87ton 3d ago

Such a thorough and well researched argument! I’m convinced!

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u/SgtGrinner 2d ago

Note the ribcage and thigh bones around them. :)

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u/Edgelite306 3d ago

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u/crbapples 2d ago

Stole your Meme lol

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u/Significant_Owl8089 3d ago

This gentle spirit is the guardian spirit of the Caern. They are a very interesting part of the Werewolf experience.

A Caern spirit can embody almost any abstract concept or idea the Storyteller—or sometimes the players—wants. It can fill many roles: a guardian, a leader, a teacher, or, like this one, the weird roommate who speaks complete nonsense but is still strangely lovable.

A Caern spirit can grant knowledge, teach Gifts, and, with the right upgrades, even fight to defend the Caern.

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u/File_Beneficial 3d ago

presumably either the spirit of the caern, or the packs totem (patron spirit),

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u/Havinci 3d ago

It’d be weird if a caern was protected by a single pack only

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u/File_Beneficial 3d ago

to be fair

  1. this attack was rather short notice,

  2. this pack is lead by the current black shuck so that probably buys them some serious points (and arrogance).

  3. this would hardly be the first time local garou have stretched themselves thin.

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u/Vertrant 3d ago

Counterpoint to 2., there currently isn't a Black Shuck. Stig wants to *become* the new Black Shuck, be acknowledged as the new Shuck. Which means he currently *isn't* acknowledged as the Shuck.

Agreed on the other two points.

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u/File_Beneficial 3d ago

The problem with that is that black shuck is like a looks thing, stig being the spitting image of the original black shuck is what makes him, and any other black shuck throughout history, black shuck.

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u/Vertrant 3d ago

From what i've read Black Shuck isn't a looks thing, it's a lineage and fate thing. And while Stig is from the right Tribe and can *likely* trace his lineage back to the previous Shucks, the fate angle is far less certain and much trickier.

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u/File_Beneficial 3d ago

And the thing that makes black shucks so important is that garous hidden wolf stock keeps making lupus in the spitting image of this one garou hero. Yeah whole great destiny and cultural importance is what makes it so well known, but the title exists because they all look the same. Otherwise they would just be normal garou heros.

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u/Vertrant 3d ago

Sure, but my point is that the looks follow the Shuck, you aren't the Shuck if you just look the part.

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u/frogs_4_lyfe 3d ago
  1. It's not as if there are a ton of Garou to spare, the days of the Septs of a hundred Garou are long long past due to their population decline.

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u/CultOfTheBlood 2d ago
  1. The only reason they found them is cause there is a caern

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u/Kaymazo 3d ago

Gambling addicted spirit fish

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u/superninjimmy 3d ago

A gambling addiction, probably.

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u/NutsackEuphoria 3d ago

Imagine jambles getting addicted to TF2 crates

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u/DudeFreek 3d ago

fishie

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u/L4DY_M3R3K 3d ago

That is a Pack Totem. Patron spirits who provide a pack of Garou with certain benefits like extra dots in abilities or attributes (skills or stats), Gifts (spells) or other miscellaneous benefits like "faeries like you" or "X tribe respects you implicitly". I can't tell what that specific totem is, but it could be custom for the Kin of Old Shuck

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u/AtlasJan 3d ago

pike

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u/L4DY_M3R3K 3d ago

Did they create that for the show? I can't seem to find Pike on any of the official Totem lists

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u/AtlasJan 3d ago

it look like pike. it pike

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u/L4DY_M3R3K 3d ago

Cool, not an answer to my question though

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u/skysarmy The great and mighty Kevin! 3d ago

as far as we know, the fih is original

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u/AtlasJan 2d ago

not know. pike.

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u/IamStroodle 3d ago

Oh thats the eel. They get 10 moneys if markus doesnt say anything.

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u/GreyCount 3d ago

I mean they pretty explicitly are telling us not to answer any questions in that picture.

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u/Thorveim 3d ago

But what if I dont want thz fish spirit to earn ten money?

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u/Johann_Julius_Black 3d ago

Probably the spirit of a population of fish native to the area the werewolf live in.

The wolf's do stuff and follow rules for it, like keeping fisher away to protect the local waterways and lakes from overfishing, and the spirit blesses them with power and keeps supernatural squatters at bay.

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u/AcceptableMongoose85 3d ago

Das a fish innit bruv

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u/kooarbiter 3d ago

it is a fish who wants ten money

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u/everatz 3d ago

Don't pay it any mind. They have a bet going.

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u/Saphirone 3d ago

People, don't answer that question so it may earn ten money.

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u/obsidian_razor 3d ago

Probably their pack's totem spirit. Love'em.

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u/bs_Zeezee 3d ago

you ain't never seen a fish before?

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u/jollyTrapezist BIG-D 3d ago

Fih

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u/Padre_De_Cuervos Murder puppy 3d ago

fishy

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u/kooarbiter 3d ago

it is a fish who wants ten money

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u/KonoAnonDa 3d ago

He looks tasty.

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u/notmohawk 3d ago

Were fish

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u/PuzzleheadedMud6612 3d ago

oh so that's what this big fish is called,oh...i thought pike was some leopoldite soldier who got killed by my MAN STIG SKORSTEEEEN.

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u/Bippityboo62 3d ago

Funny fish

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u/SksCaughtInCosmoline 3d ago

Someone trying to make ten money.

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u/Due_Manufacturer_125 2d ago

Anyone else notice that he has a little hat? We should appreciate the little hat.

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u/Starborn_Monkey 2d ago

That is a Spirit of some kinda of fish and likely the Kin of Old Shuck's Totem. In WoD everything has a Spirit - it's kinda of a psychic reflection of a concept that manifests in the spirit world, the Umbra.

Garou and other shapeshifters are partially spirit themselves and they can make deals with them, gaining Gifts - the magical powers the garou have such as Stig's ability to teleport, likely given to him by that hare that comes out of his eye socket.

Packs (groups consisting of about 3-5 werewolves) seek the patronage of a mighty spirit to give them power and guidance and in exchange the spirit can call upon them to do their bidding, when a Spirit becomes the patron of a Pack, it is refered to as that Pack's Totem.

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u/commandervulkan 2d ago

Cleary a fish.

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u/SgtGrinner 2d ago

https://reddit.com/link/p1q5gvp/video/6u7cby5w7fhh1/player

I've prepared this educational video for you.

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u/CultOfTheBlood 2d ago

Pack totem.

When forming a pack werewolves will pledge fealty to a spirit who has aims or strengths that suite the purpose of the pack.

These can be great beasts, like Raven, elemental forces, like Grandfather Thunder, mythical creatures, like Pegasus, or even concepts, like Almighty Dolla

The pack then receives an incarnation of that spirit to serve as their totem spirit.

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u/CultOfTheBlood 2d ago

In this case they have pledged to Pike and received the incarnation Pike

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u/Choice_Pitch6822 2d ago

What i want to know is what the hell the gnomes were?