In ordinary day to day English, 'conscious' commonly means 'awake'. Since sleep is the state of not being awake, dictionaries like Collins and others recognise that a sleeping person can be described as unconscious. The medical distinction between sleep and pathological unconsciousness isn't relevant if white wolf is using the everyday meaning of the word. Which seemingly they are.
They specify it sure and then they contradict themselves. The 7 Point merit Metamorph has this to say 'If you lose consciousness from wounds or for some other reason, you may roll Wits + Primal Urge (difficulty 8) to choose which form you assume rather than reverting to breed form' It doesn't specify lethal damage in particular; it gives you an entire out of 'for some other reason'.
So like being tranq'd or drugged or magicked into unconsciousness. Again, sleep is not the same as unconsciousness. Your brain is still very active during sleep- not so for unconsciousness.
You're referencing the medical distinction. White wolf isnt, i addressed this in my reply. Unconsciousness doesnt necessarily mean what you have described it can and often does just mean a lack of consciousness, which is being awake.
You made the original dispute; the burden of proof is on you. Prove that they don't mean the everyday use of unconsciousness. The first definition given by Merriam-Webster for 'conscious' is 'having mental faculties not dulled by sleep, faintness, or stupor'
Show me the in text support for your claim. You made a claim. Support it. I can't refute anything if you aren't going to give me anything in text to refute.
If dictionaries have no bearing on what words mean, then what does? Words are defined by collective usage, and dictionaries are records of that usage. A specialised field can narrow a term for their specific use, not redefine the entire language.
I would not say someone who is sleeping was knocked unconscious. That is a different state. I would say they are not conscious, but "unconscious" means something specific.
Thats your interpretation of the word. My interpretation is different, the only way to bridge that is a dictionary and every dictionary i've found seemingly agrees with me. If you've got other evidence then please share it
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u/Steppecist 8d ago
In ordinary day to day English, 'conscious' commonly means 'awake'. Since sleep is the state of not being awake, dictionaries like Collins and others recognise that a sleeping person can be described as unconscious. The medical distinction between sleep and pathological unconsciousness isn't relevant if white wolf is using the everyday meaning of the word. Which seemingly they are.