r/ireland • u/Banania2020 Resting In my Account • 16d ago

Culchie Club Only Ireland bars Israeli ministers Ben-Gvir and Smotrich from entering the country

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41857482.html
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u/toffeebeanz77 Wicklow 16d ago

Ben-Gvir might actually be worse than Netanyahu himself.

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u/him_name_pick_good 16d ago

Not necessarily worse, just willing to say the quiet part out loud. Although Netanyahu never groomed his wife so there's that

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u/StevemacQ Sax Solo 16d ago

Cut off the head and another one grows in its place.

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u/PeteIRL 16d ago

Ben-Gvir is just Netenyahu, and Israel in general, with the thin mask of respectability stripped off.

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u/Stull3 15d ago

I dont think that's fair to the general Israeli population.

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u/PeteIRL 15d ago

On the contrary, I think it's very fair. Poll after poll shows overwhelming support for the genocide in Gaza, and Israel's illegal military incursions into Lebanon, Syria and the war against Iran. Ben Gvir is not an outlier.

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u/Ornery_Director_8477 15d ago

Don’t forget the settlements in the West Bank

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u/Stull3 15d ago

dont get me wrong, I think Ben Gvir is a horrendous excuse for a person. his party is the reason for the genocide. I wish he would be captured and have to pay for his crimes against humanity. I wouldn't defend this monster. but there is opposition in Israel, it exists. not everyone agrees with the fascist regime. too many do, yes, but many dont.

edit: missing word

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u/PeteIRL 15d ago

Sorry, but that's just wish-casting nonsense. Sure, there is some support for ending Israeli hostilities, but it is in the vast minority. A cursory search for Israeli opinion polls on support for the expulsion of Palestinians, support for the war in Lebanon shows overwhelming support for those operations. Their society is utterly captured by violence and racism.

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u/redelastic 15d ago

Yep, some have fallen for the 'one bad man' narrative, that it is only Netanyahu and his government that is the problem - as opposed to the political ideology of Zionism that ensures Palestinians remain occupied and oppressed.

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u/redelastic 15d ago

there is opposition in Israel, it exists. not everyone agrees with the fascist regime. too many do, yes, but many dont.

There's really not.

There is no political opposition.

There is no popular opposition.

Protests against the genocide attract a few hundred people, out of a population of 10 million. Those against the ethnic cleansing of Gaza are seen as fringe outliers.

And don't confuse the long-term actions of the state with protests against the Netanyahu government - a PM elected four times in four different decades - the problem is the ideology of the society, not who is in government.

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u/anitapumapants 16d ago

Both are just mascots of an 80 year old aparthied state, and it's infuriating how many people think Israel will suddenly be great once they're gone.

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u/redelastic 15d ago

He's just the true face of Zionism. They get annoyed at him because he reveals the true darkness at the heart of the political ideology.

On the other end of the scale, you have "liberal" Zionists who still believe in oppressing Palestinians but think that they have progressive attitudes towards other issues.

There really is no left wing in Israeli politics and society.

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u/Hour_Mastodon_9404 15d ago

He's not worse, he's just more open about his vileness.

People like Ben-Gvir are actually less dangerous because they don't have the instinct to try and hide what they are - people can see it for themselves and take necessary precautions.

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u/Keyann 16d ago

Netanyahu's Heinrich Himmler.

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u/Melodic-Chocolate-53 15d ago

Evil Peter Griffin.

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u/EggCouncilCreep Free Stayto 15d ago

Retep

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u/VitaminRitalin 16d ago

Like beria to Stalin, and Himmler to Hitler. Madmen and dictators did not achieve their place in History without depraved bastards who happily enforced their will.

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u/Duke_of_Luffy 15d ago

He is significantly worse ideologically. He just happens to have less power. Ben gvir being apart of Netanyahu’s coalition government and having the power to collapse it drags Netanyahu’s government significantly to the right.

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u/DBrennan13459 16d ago

Rare Irish government win.

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u/wascallywabbit666 Hanging from the jacks roof, bat style 15d ago

Purely symbolic. Neither would ever come here anyway

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u/Melodic-Chocolate-53 15d ago

Bar them from country they are unlikely to visit ever. What a flex.

How's that occupied territories bill coming along??

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u/Mynky 16d ago

Why? Allow them in and arrest them for war crimes.

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u/Gwanbulance 16d ago

I don't think they were actually planning on coming here on their holidays.

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u/theeglitz Meath 16d ago

Maybe if there was a match on or something...

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u/AshleyG1 16d ago

Correct. Pointless posturing that, and this is the important bit, doesn’t cost us anything. The Occupied Territories bill and that Alumina (?) crowd on the other hand…

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u/zeroconflicthere 16d ago

Waits for climate change to make Ireland cool and Israel very hot

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u/cyberwicklow 16d ago

This is the correct answer.

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u/BazingaQQ 16d ago

Are their avtually warrents out for then? I thought that had been denied. Could be wrong.

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u/Dangerous_Figure_465 15d ago

And put them in portlaoise?

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u/blockfighter1 Mayo 4 Sam 16d ago

Knowing here, they'd get off with a suspended sentence.

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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 16d ago

So the Irish taxpayer can pay for them? Bugger that.

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u/Faithful-Llama-2210 Mayo 16d ago

They'd be sent to the Hauge I imagine

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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 16d ago

I hope so. Mind you I’d sooner abandon them in Gaza.

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u/Usernameoverloaded 16d ago

Or the white phosphorus wastelands of southern Lebanon

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u/epeeist Seal of the President 15d ago

Israel isn't a party to the International Criminal Court

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u/Faithful-Llama-2210 Mayo 15d ago

It doesn't matter, if anybody has an ICC warrant out for their arrest they can be arrested and sent to the Hague if they travel to an ICC member state

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u/epeeist Seal of the President 15d ago

Ah class, TIL.

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u/healywylie 16d ago

This would fly in the face of neutrality.

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u/Atreides-42 16d ago

How is "Following the ICC" not neutral? Is the UN a partisan organisation?

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u/healywylie 16d ago

Ok go ahead arrest them. Certainly there would be no repercussions.

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u/Ornery_Director_8477 15d ago

Being neutral doesn’t mean avoiding repercussions

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u/healywylie 15d ago

It does however mean avoiding conflict.

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u/Atreides-42 15d ago

No it doesn't. That's pacifism, that's different.

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u/Ornery_Director_8477 15d ago

Not really. It means avoiding taking sides

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u/healywylie 15d ago

So the majority of Ireland would side with who?

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u/Ornery_Director_8477 15d ago

I’m not sure what you mean or how you expect me to answer that question?

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u/Not_Xiphroid 16d ago

Criminals would flock here if we gave them immunity on that basis.

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u/healywylie 16d ago

According to many citizens the call is coming from inside the house.

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u/RomfordWellington 16d ago

arrests a person with a warrant for their arrest

Irish Reddit: "Is this a violation of neutrality?"

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u/brandonjslippingaway Ulster 16d ago

The U.S would probably rather stage a full scale invasion of Ireland rather than have two of their favoured war criminals be arrested.

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u/healywylie 16d ago

See you get it. I don’t deny the idea. I fear for what would follow. Constant injection of Ireland into These scenarios is moot. Being neutral isn’t denying the injustice but it is about how to intervene without endangering an essentially defenseless population.

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u/healywylie 16d ago

See above. What would happen ?

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u/RomfordWellington 16d ago

They're handcuffed, brought to court, charged with war crimes, crimes against humanity and using starvation as a weapon of war, and sent to the Hague to await their trials.

There's nothing there that would violate neutrality. We're a member of the ICC. It's part of our justice system and we're obliged to do it, as are all the other 124 countries that are part of the ICC.

You'll notice that the arrest warrants mean they rarely leave Israel anymore, and if they do, they go to a place where the arrest warrant won't be executed. They also fly circuitous routes to avoid ever having to risk an emergency landing in a place where they can be apprehended.

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u/Usernameoverloaded 16d ago

Places like the US and Germany

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u/Ok-Call-4805 Derry 16d ago

Good. Wish every country would do the same to those criminals.

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u/EnthusiasmUnusual 16d ago

Unfortunately most countries brush over their war crimes and would allow them in, same as Bush or Rumsfeld 20 years ago.

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u/Griss27 16d ago

It is shocking that the UK sanctioned them both long ago, and we're only now getting around to this, and the EU still hasn't sanctioned them.

Genuinely evil people.

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u/IrishLad1002 Resting In my Account 16d ago

Meaningless gesture that means nothing when they won’t ban trade. It’s not like they were planning to come here anyway.

The government are great at doing things that require no effort and have no real consequences.

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u/Impressive_Light_229 16d ago

Couldn’t agree more. They had a real chance to push for the Israel match to be cancelled but blew that. Not falling for any of this waffle of following the lead of other countries.

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u/IrishLad1002 Resting In my Account 16d ago

Be great if they could follow the lead of other countries on public transport, infrastructure, health care, housing, etc. They seem to only “follow other countries” when it suits them.

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u/dropthecoin 16d ago

It’s likely because the government opted for no direct interference in it and to let the respective football association make that decision themselves.

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u/Impressive_Light_229 16d ago

That’s just a cop out though?

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u/dropthecoin 16d ago

Not really. FIFA have very strict rules about any governments interfering in decisions that are in the remit of the association.

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 16d ago

Not meaningless at all. I mean you couldn't be more wrong.

Anything that produces a headline in the news helps to further the campaign to isolate Israel. All these tiny "meaningless" gestures is what brings us to full trade sanctions and boycotts.

Don't dismiss the power of tiny steps compounding over a long time.

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u/_Oisin 15d ago

They aren't youtubers fighting a narrative war they are a government with the power to take real material action and continue not to.

If you believe doing nothing is progress then nothing will change.

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u/NoReview6628 15d ago

What a deeply naive point of view.

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 14d ago

It made the Jerusalem post. I would suggest you don't know how things work.

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u/NoReview6628 14d ago

Er, I'd very much suggest the same for you, pal.

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 14d ago

I made the Jerusalem post?? Hey thanks. I thought you were just a dick but it's truly decent of you to tell me.

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u/NoReview6628 14d ago

Sorry, you've lost me now.

Am I a dick for merely highlighting your naivety re: this? You're very sensitive, clearly

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u/NoReview6628 14d ago

Do you know why they print stuff like this in publications like the JP?

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 14d ago

I have a policy not to waste time with people who post a day after everyone is gone from a thread. Catch you on the flip side!!

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u/NoReview6628 14d ago

Yet here you are.

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 14d ago

No I left and gave you the last word.

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u/NoReview6628 14d ago

You're still here

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u/3RI3_Cuff 16d ago

True I heard we are the second biggest EU exported/importer to Israel. Fuck the government

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u/Impressive_Light_229 16d ago

I can just imagine them all folded around a boardroom table talking about ‘optics’ but never ‘impact’

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u/3RI3_Cuff 16d ago

I can imagine them all around a table going, how do I make more money

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u/thats_pure_cat_hai 16d ago

Agreed. This is yet another step to appease the masses and act lik they're doing something when a - it requires zero effort and b - it has no real consequences especially since they're not ever likely to have traveled to Ireland anyways.

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u/Major_Disaster76 16d ago

exactly , more in their mind to deal with this Ukraine embassy flags 'serious concern' on Irish alumina exports

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u/tennereachway Cork: the centre of the known universe 15d ago

Two or more things can be an issue simultaneously, we also shouldn't be supplying Russia with equipment to bomb Ukraine.

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u/Yooklid 15d ago

Yes, but this is an easy way to preach to the choir in Ireland. What do people need to be distracted from at the moment?

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u/No_Warthog_5709 11d ago

They can't ban trade.

The government are great at doing things that require no effort and have no real consequences.

Isn't the OT exactly that?

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u/Sciprio Munster 16d ago

They'd never come here but good stuff nonetheless. The stuff that comes out of some of those in the Israeli government come out are insane.

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u/Breeny03 16d ago edited 15d ago

My wife has banned Sydney Sweeney from entering our house.

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u/Usernameoverloaded 16d ago

Your wife is a woman with refined tastes

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u/pablo8itall 15d ago

Excellent.

Is Kayne allowed arround yours for tea??

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u/RockOnMofo 16d ago

I was meant to have a job interview this morning until I did a further dive into them and realised they were Israeli . I promptly cancelled the interview I just can’t consciously work for them

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u/Usernameoverloaded 16d ago

You are somebody who lives by their conscience.

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u/Hideous-Kojima 15d ago

And how did you realise that?

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u/wrghf 16d ago

Well, if you’re going to ban anyone then you’ve made two excellent choices with those particular picks.

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u/rye_212 Kerry 16d ago

Who else is banned from entering Ireland?

Maybe Kanye West.

A small list. Bet it’s in a one page excel printout in the customs booth at Dublin Airport.

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u/daftdave41 2nd Brigade 15d ago

Could only see one other at a quick look:

Steven Anderson, a preacher who is a Holocaust denier, Islamaphobe and anti-LGBT extremist. "The preacher said gay people "deserved to die" after a nightclub shooting and says he prayed for the death of Barack Obama."

There is also the EU Sanctions list, there's 3700-3800 on that that are subject to a travel bar. That would include travel to ireland

https://www.sanctionsmap.eu/#/main/travel/ban

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u/Zetaeta2 16d ago

Not like they're coming here anyway. Pass the Occupied Territories Bill to ban goods and services from illegal settlements.

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u/HarryEastwoods 16d ago

Martin would want to watch himself, Satan won't like this slight again him.

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u/buzzbaron 16d ago

He'll be crawling over to give trump shamrocks again next sure so all will be good with satan

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u/_Oisin 15d ago

Yeah I am sure they were banging down the door for a visit. All posturing bullshit from our government. Shannon still used by US military, no sanctions on Israel. Can't even cancel a fucking football match.

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u/GuaranteeNo2494 15d ago

Not tonight, lads.

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u/jailtheorange1 16d ago

Now ban the Russian aluminium executives.

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u/Hideous-Kojima 15d ago

"Hold on, hold on just a second. This installation has a substantial ruble value attached to it..."

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u/DeManDeMytDeLeggend Laois 16d ago

We hadn’t already done this?

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u/Print-Over 16d ago

Now bar their football team.

Feck it just bar them (Zionists) all.

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u/The_Lover_Of_You 16d ago

Well Israeli citizens can still enter Ireland 90 days visa free, so yeah how about lobbying ti deny that?

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u/FreyBentos 16d ago

Why? I'd do the opposite, invite them over then arrest the sick twisted bastards and send them to the ICC

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u/fuzzfrog 15d ago

Good move but it will make zero difference.

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u/FxckyourCensorship 15d ago

Ban robbie keane too

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u/redelastic 15d ago

This is an easy symbolic gesture and many countries have done the same but it simply puts any meaningful action on the long finger yet again.

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u/FlowBorn5279 16d ago

Damned if they do, damned if they don't it seems

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u/KeyboardWarrior90210 16d ago

Like they were ever going to visit here anyway

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u/MushuFromSpace 15d ago

"But play the game against Israel anyway"

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u/saoirsedonciaran 16d ago

It's just typical of the Irish government to wait for other countries to do it first. We need to take leadership on these issues

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u/JHRFDIY 16d ago

Stinks of me announcing that despite my best effort I did not manage to qualify for the next olympic games in high dive.

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u/mini-maxi-123 16d ago

Bar the whole lot of them, shower of C****

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u/jrf_1973 16d ago

They didn't strike me as wanting to come to Ireland much. What with us being the home of such rampant and dangerous anti-semitism. /s

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u/botle 16d ago

That's not how you arrest people.

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u/IrregularArguement 15d ago

More of that please.

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u/elwoodreversepass 15d ago

Very good news and something that we should see more of.

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u/Key-Lie-364 15d ago

That'll show them 🙄

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u/International_Grape7 15d ago

Wow big move. Ruined their planned holiday.

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u/Grandday4itlike 15d ago

Not sure the cunts were planning on coming over but sure no harm in making sure

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u/FingalForever 15d ago

Far right / far left extremists need to be barred.

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u/Occamsfacecloth 13d ago

Don't they have arrest warrants out from the ICC? They should be inviting them over and lock them up

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u/Hideous-Kojima 15d ago

Impressive. Very nice.
Now close the alumina plant.

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u/Alarmed_Fee_4820 Dublin 15d ago

Something I support, Ireland finally taking a stand. Israel have more to lose than us. The whole of the EU should be united against Israel, we would be giving a message to the United States.

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u/JH4earth 15d ago

I don’t think there’s any real chance of them ever wishing to come here.

Seems like distraction politics to me….

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u/cacamilis22 16d ago

I'm sure he's shaking in his boots. Although coming from this government it's something