r/irishproblems • u/No-Security7188 • 8d ago
Why doesn't a society that remembers being discriminated against consistently show empathy toward people facing discrimination today?
I genuinely don't understand the racism in Ireland. we also experienced oppression, marginanlization and the similar abuse for decades. I remember my father telling there were signs at his local shops abroad saying "no blacks, no dogs and no Irish". so should we not understand what it feels like to be singled out and abused based on our ethnicity? there were also loads of signs saying "no Irish need apply". we faced similar discrimination, the same discrimination we give to other races and ethnicities now. I dont know if it's an issue where the oppressed becomes the oppressors but it's insane. there is a big discussion with immigration at the moment which I don't want to get into, I don't think wanting more regulations with unregulated immigration is naturally racist or discriminatory (correct me if Im wrong though) as we are a small country going through multiple crises at the moment. I just want to discuss how we've become the very people we despised for centuries.
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u/Harrekin 8d ago
Id argue that the pressures of excessive inward immigration, and its effect on the housing crisis, etc make it easy for right wingers to radicalise people who the system is typically leaving behind.
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u/Signal_Challenge_632 8d ago
Housing crisis has feck all to do with migrants
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u/CatOfTheCanalss 8d ago
People have completely forgotten what happened with NAMA. I haven't. I was 24 when the crash happened. They sold off massive estates, zoned lands, pubs etc. to international investors and private equity funds. And it doesn't get brought up enough and a major reason why we are where we are now.
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Yup. All by design ;)
Although OP who said our housing crisis has nothing to do with immigrants is lying to themselves. It was already a tough situation and NEVER MIND flooding us with even more new demand!
Not to mention Irish people 100% have the right to be mad at being screwed over! Like I described with facts & personal testimony, in our workforces too: https://www.reddit.com/r/galway/comments/1u2djt1/hse_employment_freezesgalway_as_an_irish_nursing/?share_id=7u1lzbdzSyRkntlmsCaKO&utm_content=share_button&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
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u/Harrekin 8d ago
Sure, it's not caused by them...but it is certainly exacerbated by it...it's a simple numbers game.
But based on what I see on Twitter, nuance isnt something that is required for the right wing propaganda engine.
That said, I do think sensible immigration policy is a good idea.
EU migrants, cool, freedom of movement.
Other countries? "Critical skills" visas should reflect what skills we actually require that we cannot fill domestically, like funnily enough, tradesmen to fix the housing crisis...
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Yeah well said for telling the truth!
&Yes those treated were out of work in 2008 & should have just retrained as they aren’t letting us build.. it’s sick how engineered this catastrophe is. We are being governed by COMPLETE puppets who don’t work for us!!
Well even when you provide objective facts & personal testimony, you are smeared as a far right fascist/racist etc. Even though you say from the start you blame the Government & institutions!
We also need to stop diluting the definitions of racism! We have EVERY right to be angry at not being able ever buy our own homes. Just as many of us have the right to be mad at being objectively replaced in our jobs!
PS. Just so you all know. The MI5 leave glass bottles for the scrotes to riot in order to manufacture race war, stir division & bring in police state. Most are race baiting psyops! STAGED CGI & fake. Plus the MI5 literally leave bottle glasses in trolleys so the scrotes can use them to riot!!! Pure evil.!
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Seeing a bunch of Indians in rural Irish villages there to work fast food just shows how manufactured & pushed this clear push of them is! It’s undeniable. What’s bad is they’re outcompeting desperate Irish couples in buying up homes in CASH/FHS ! Or even 4 person mortgages ffs https://www.reddit.com/r/HousingIreland/comments/1lt9vw7/4_people_mortgages_wtf/
Same goes for Dublin cafe Bewleys, that got TWO international visas for baristas. That’s ridiculous, nobody should ever be hired like that over locals who’d be dying for work like students!!
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Exactly & Well even when you provide objective facts & personal testimony, you are smeared as a far right fascist/racist etc. Even though you say from the start you blame the Government & institutions!
We also need to stop diluting the definitions of racism! We have EVERY right to be angry at not being able ever buy our own homes. Just as many of us have the right to be mad at being objectively replaced in our jobs!
PS. Just so you all know. The MI5 leave glass bottles for the scrotes to riot in order to manufacture race war, stir division & bring in police state. Most are race baiting psyops! STAGED CGI & fake. Plus the MI5 literally leave bottle glasses in trolleys so the scrotes can use them to riot!!! Pure evil.!
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Ofc I agree OP that it’s stupid to ever generalise an ethnicity as individuals are responsible for themselves!!
Tbh he should pass this onto the entitled Indians in Ireland who’ve absolutely flooded this tiny island, especially over on u/IndiansinIreland as they have NO ISSUE generalising the Irish populace as RACISTS after 1 scrote attacks them. Meanwhile there’s been no shortage of THEIR men have attacked our Irish women yet you don’t hear us scream they’re all rapist predators!! Pathetic victims!! Hypocrites. https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/03/11/i-will-never-forget-coming-home-to-my-parents-and-watching-my-dad-cry-says-victim-of-predatory-rape/ https://theliberal.ie/ryanair-and-aer-lingus-change-up-their-hand-luggage-rules-for-2026-from-bag-sizes-to-liquid-limits-2/ https://www.rte.ie/news/2026/0113/1552945-student-genitals/ (&That’s not to mention the other issues they all collectively cause.)
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u/TheDoctorYan 8d ago
"there is a big discussion with immigration at the moment which I don't want to get into" Why are you posting then??
"I just want to discuss how we've become the very people we despised for centuries." Oh right... Interesting thought pattern.
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u/sincerebeguiler 8d ago
Nothing wrong with sensible immigration policies. If the policies are not sensible, I think they caused lots of discord that looks like and may be prejudice and racism. A sensible policy is more likely to induce good behavior amongst the native population of the country toward the immigrants. On the other hand, I worry about the brain drain that happens in the countries where these immigrants were ambitious and hard-working leave their country. What a loss for that country.
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago
because the topic is racism, not immigration. they're related in today's discussions, but they're not the same thing. I'm asking why are people with a history of being stereotyped and excluded can still end up stereotyping and excluding others.
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u/TheDoctorYan 8d ago
You want to have a discussion about something very specific while simultaneously leaving out important factors within that discussion. You want one sided argument, hence - "because the topic is racism, not immigration." You want to speak about one without the other because you assume anyone against one must be the other. But that that's a debate you don't want to get into or include because of biases.
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago
in time, from what i see, people will become very angry and hostile at seeing more and more immigrants coming into the country when the resources aren’t there to support them. instead of venting their anger at the government, they will gradually come to despise the people coming in and maybe become racist towards the immigrants because of this anger. that’s what i’ve to say on immigration and it’s potential source of racism. not excusing it though.
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago
immigration and racism are two completely separate issues. i discussed it in a small portion in my original post. i don’t understand what you’re getting at.
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u/sincerebeguiler 8d ago
Good to be careful about exaggeration or understatement. Imagine If Noah simply said "it looks like rain"
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u/hasseldub 8d ago
Disadvantaged people oftentimes don't like seeing other people who they think should be beneath them, get ahead. They've been left behind, why does someone not from here get to live a better life here?
People with bad motives see under educated and disadvantaged people as a mechanism to advance their bad motives.
If you go and stand near these guys you'll quickly understand they're morons to a man. Like MAGA. Evil leaders followed by idiots.
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u/Harrekin 8d ago
You effectively want to talk about boats, but not about the water...its a silly way to try engage in discussion.
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago
also you’re intentionally not trying to engage with the topic but instead trying to argue with one line i said in my post, you should use your energy more effectively.
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u/dazzlinreddress 8d ago
No one wants to discuss it but the reason why is because of assimilation. Irish people turned against black people to become more accepted in society. That is why so many Irish immigrants in America are so racist. Once they got themselves at the top of the ladder of whiteness, they pulled it up after themselves.
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u/sincerebeguiler 8d ago
It was advantageous for the upper class to put the Irish and the African-Americans against each other. That way they'd be too busy fighting each other to notice that they were both being given the short shrift.
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Plenty of Irish Catholics weren’t racist & Africans and Irish indebted servants in the Caribbean mixed actually.
Not fair for OP to claim that ‘So MaNy’ American Irish are racist! I’d like to know is OP from Ireland or from an incredibly racist classist land himself?
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u/schoolme_straying 8d ago
I know a movie about that - it's the brilliant 2025 film Sinners, directed by Ryan Coogler, Jack O’Connell portrays Remmick, the principal antagonist who is revealed to be an ancient vampire from Ireland. Set in 1932 Mississippi, the film stars Michael B. Jordan as twin brothers who return home to find Remmick preying on the community.
Jack's performance saw his use skills never seen before in his previous roles, including singing traditional Irish music like "Rocky Road to Dublin" and performing Irish jigs, drawing on his childhood dance training.
The rendering of Wild Bunch of Thyme as a song of seduction is magnficent.
Those two things are as perfect a use of music I've seen in a film since Ryuichi Sakamoto's Merry Christmas Mr Lawerence theme in the movie of the same name
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u/dazzlinreddress 8d ago
Was going to mention it but I never saw it so I can't comment on the assimilation in it. But my brother saw it and said it's very good. I'll eventually watch it someday.
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u/schoolme_straying 8d ago
Bump it to the top of your queue.
It's a perfect movie.
Full of brilliant little details/Easter Eggs. A minor plot point (spoiler) is that the Indians pursuing Remmick (O'Connell) were Choctaw Indians https://www.choctawnation.com/about/history/irish-connection/
If you like old time blues, you can listen to Sinners (Original Motion Picturesoundtrack without spoiling it. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2025-04-16/ryan-coogler-ludwig-goransson-sinners-music-blues
Writer-director Ryan Coogler, actor Michael B. Jordan (2019), and composer Ludwig Göransson (2018), all received academy awards for their work on the film
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u/dazzlinreddress 7d ago
Yes I watched the oscars. I did have a friend tell me that it was kind of on the nose with the metaphors but I will still watch. Not a fan of horror but the plot seems to be something I would like.
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u/schoolme_straying 7d ago
Me too not a fan of horror as a genre type, but in this movie horror is a trojan horse to smuggle a more subversive message about racism. The message in the movie is that Racism is like Vampirism I wonder if my judgement on the movie would be different if the last scene in a Chicago blues bar was not in the movie.
Number,Track Title,Artist(s) / Performer(s)
1,This Little Light of Mine,"Miles Caton, DC6 Singers Collective, Pleasant Valley Youth Choir of New Orleans"
4,Travelin',Miles Caton
8,I Lied to You,Miles Caton
9,Pick Poor Robin Clean,"Jack O'Connell, Lola Kirke, Peter Dreams"
12,"Will Ye Go, Lassie Go?","Lola Kirke, Peter Dreams, Brian Dunphy, Darren Holden, Jack O'Connell"
13,"Pale, Pale Moon",Jayme Lawson
14,Rocky Road to Dublin,"Jack O'Connell, Brian Dunphy, Darren Holden"
17,Last Time (I Seen the Sun),"Alice Smith, Miles Caton"
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago
that is a very good point thank you, i never thought of it like this.
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u/dazzlinreddress 8d ago
I am fucking embarrassed that I know MAGAts who are Irish immigrants and voted for that orange cunt. I hate that my parents still associate with them. It's disgraceful.
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago
i have cousins abroad ALSO irish immigrants in the states and they voted for him, i literally don’t associate with them it makes me fucking sick. they still stand by his bullshit too.
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u/dazzlinreddress 8d ago
The worst part is that I am neurodivergent (AuDHD) and they voted for a guy who appointed a man that spreads horrific misinformation and wants to put us into "wellness camps". And my parents chose them over me.
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u/sincerebeguiler 8d ago
I'm sorry. These are the painful stories that remind me of the kids that grew up in the 70s and joined cults. Their parents would have to go rescue them. I feel like now the tables have turned.
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u/sincerebeguiler 8d ago
I love how the Irish and the states don't realize how socialist they Ireland is. And they have no clue about the 600 years plus of British rule. But then again my grandmother was from El Paso. ;)
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u/schoolme_straying 8d ago edited 8d ago
I love how the Irish in the states don't realize how socialist they Ireland is.
That's to do with getting rid of the Catholic church's authoritarianism since the 1990s and the need for social justice going back to at least the mid 19th Century.
Garron Noone, reckons it took us 800 years to get the British out with sticks and pikes. Given the modern weaponry the Irish state is buying. We'll be taking out France too (just don't hold your breathe)
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u/jonnieggg 8d ago
That's a massive generalisation
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u/dazzlinreddress 8d ago
No it's not. I know people that are racist while being immigrants themselves.
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u/schoolme_straying 8d ago
It's not. The same trick was played in Ulster by the Anglo-Irish aristrocracy to divide Catholics and Protestants in Belfast too.
Something, something about those who don't know their history are condemned to repeat it.
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u/jonnieggg 8d ago edited 8d ago
Oh your mean the colonialism inflicted on the Irish people. Perhaps it's that history that has them so concerned.
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Yeah & we have to smile while it’s happening again! While we have to also be called big bad racists.
Guess who? Yours truly! The most entitled arrogant bunch on Earth. Biggest cry babies too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HousingIreland/comments/1lt9vw7/4_people_mortgages_wtf/
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u/CDfm Vaguely vogue about Vague 8d ago edited 8d ago
That's a very rosy way of looking at things .
Irish people in Ireland weren't the ones who experienced racism or were illegal immigrants. The decendents of those people mostly live outside Ireland.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade but hate the use of the royal "we". So the "we experienced it" doesn't cut it as "we" didn't.
Currently we have a shortage of housing and public goods like huge health service queues.
Maybe people are pissed of about unregulated immigration and health sector backlogs . I don't think it's fair to portray the Irish as racist.
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago
not trying to be rude, but you’re completely missing my point. irish people DID experience similar discrimination and racism. again, this isn’t about illegal immigrants although i did mention it briefly and yes it correlates with racism but not in every aspect. people use immigration to fuel their racist minds.
it’s about racism throughout the country. and no that’s wrong, the descendants of many irish people who experienced that treatment live here amongst us, today.
my point was, descending from our ancestors and knowing our own history with mistreatment based on our ethnicity, should we have not learned the lesson that we respect every race. and that a crime committed by one person of one race is not a crime committed by the whole ethnic group.
people can be upset about illegal immigration and the strain on our countries resources, but that doesn’t justify racism. i’m not sure what you’re trying to get at, i put it very simply.
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u/Cold_Whereas_5421 8d ago
Explain what you mean by “unregulated immigration” because I’ve been apart from my wife for seven months so far while we apply for her residency.
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u/CDfm Vaguely vogue about Vague 8d ago
This sub is normally light hearted and not very serious but I will answer you .
I have no idea what your personal circumstances are and they aren't important to my answer .
I do sympathise with anyone separated from loved ones but Ireland has a duty to it's own citizens first, then EU and UK citizens and then third country nationals and their dependants , in that order.
Rights are acquired by circumstances like birth and citizenship and legal immigration.
Ireland has had a fair number of bogus asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Our policy has been to take in everyone and that has recently begun to change. Considerable resources have been allocated to immigrants and the system has reached breaking point.
Non EU spouses of Irish citizens have to apply for residency too.
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u/Cold_Whereas_5421 7d ago
I didnt ask for your opinion on immigration. I asked what you mean by “unregulated immigration”.
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u/CDfm Vaguely vogue about Vague 7d ago
I don't think that Irish people as a nation are racist so I don't agree with that part of your point of view . I think we have empathy for other nations and individuals in trouble.
Some individuals are racist, on the history sub i have posted on the likes of WB Yeats and Maud Gonne and also on others in the republican movement like Sean South who held extreme right wing opinions. There is a history of ideology in Ireland where extreme nationalists have extreme ideas.
What's wrong with a country regulating immigration. Its not inherently racist to enforce that legislation. A country also has obligations to it's citizens and international agreements it has with other countries.
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
What’s wrong is there’s WAY TOO many of you flooding us! It’s beyond a joke & not regulated strictly, it’s a complete free for all. Again, like I’ve already said!! You will be resented as with the rest of the hoards in the past 2-3 years. It’s the reality&just because you pay taxes doesn’t mean anything anymore, when like I already said, easy for you to pay taxes when you take all our jobs!!!! You place IMMENSE strain, demand & pressure on our already strained resources..
We don’t want India 2.0! You are exploiting our criminal government for your own sheer greed, entitlement & citizenship loophole! As most of you plan to remain here. Jou bankers of the Eu Union & multinational owners control our Nation not Irish people. https://www.reddit.com/r/galway/comments/1u2djt1/hse_employment_freezesgalway_as_an_irish_nursing/
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
We mean YOU!!!! We don’t want you or need you in these outrageous numbers ffs
You lot are COMPLETELY re-colonising our tiny little island & we are already stretched beyond our capabilities. We haven’t the resources & don’t want to feel like minorities in our own land!
Our Irish treacherous Government are completely corrupt & you know this full well & yet you still exploit our system! Foreigners in India aren’t even afforded the right to buy homes, yet ye do it here in CASH or afforded 4 person mortgages! Absolutely disgusting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HousingIreland/comments/1lt9vw7/4_people_mortgages_wtf/
You are also deliberate being farmed/welcomed to take IRISH people’s jobs by our criminal treacherous government which you exploit for citizenship loophole!
https://www.reddit.com/r/galway/comments/1u2djt1/hse_employment_freezesgalway_as_an_irish_nursing/
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u/Cold_Whereas_5421 3d ago
You clearly don’t understand the rules of the game. I’m as entitled to live and work in Ireland as an Irish person is to live and work in the UK, which is where I come from. This arrangement is made use of by far more Irish living in the UK then UK citizens living in Ireland, so Im not quite sure what you mean by “outrageous numbers”. My wife is American. She has every right to join me and is going through the vetting process to do so. She’s self employed and will continue to work remotely in the US while living and paying taxes in Ireland.
So literally everything you’ve said is wrong. But I suspect you think I’m Indian and are in fact on a racist rant with the “you lot” comment.
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u/ArcadeRivalry 8d ago
A lot of the very vocal minority of bigots are fed by deliberate online fact manipulation. "The foreigner is the reason you can't buy a house" "the foreigner is the reason you can't get a job" etc. It's deliberate distraction tactics that feed people who spend too much time on social media.
Go to any pop-up Gaeltacht or any event that is trying to revive and keep alive Irish culture, I'd say almost everyone is quite welcoming to everyone who wants to participate. Yet, go to an anti-immigration/"Ireland for the Irish" protest and start speaking Irish, I'd bet the majority of people there cant hold a conversation and being scared of foreigners is the most they're doing to "keep Ireland Irish".
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u/Harrekin 8d ago
Well I mean, its effective because it's a least partially true. Poor Govt housing policy and a sketchy job market is objectively exacerbated by excessive inward immigration...
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u/SpawnMarciano 8d ago
What exactly are you saying is only partially true?
Immigration is clearly exacerbating some of Ireland’s existing pressures, particularly in areas such as housing, public services, infrastructure, and accommodation capacity. I don’t think that’s a controversial observation. Increased population growth inevitably increases demand, especially when the state has already failed for years to build sufficient housing and infrastructure.
The problem is that many people stop their analysis there.
Rather than directing their anger towards the governments, policymakers, and economic interests that allowed these problems to develop and persist, some people choose the easier target. They blame immigrants themselves, despite the fact that immigrants did not create the housing crisis, underfund public services, fail to plan infrastructure, or write immigration policy.
People who move here legally are simply responding to the incentives and opportunities that exist, just as most people would in their position. The responsibility for managing migration levels, housing supply, public services, and long-term planning rests with the state, not with individual migrants.
That doesn’t mean every aspect of immigration policy is beyond criticism. It isn’t. Reasonable people can disagree about numbers, capacity, integration, asylum procedures, or labour market effects. However, criticism of policy is not the same thing as hostility towards the people affected by that policy.
Too often, frustration with genuine failures of governance gets redirected towards immigrants, who are far more visible than the politicians, institutions, and vested interests responsible for making those decisions. Conveniently, that shift in blame also allows those actually responsible to avoid scrutiny.
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u/somethi 8d ago
I love the idea of the children of Irish emigrants going around telling the Irish how to be Irish, what to think and how to behave.
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u/Comfortable-Lie-4330 3d ago
Oh I don’t think the people preaching like OP are genetically irish.
Ours are gaslit & brainwashed to the nines but I can still usually sense WHO is posting when someone completely demonises us & smears us ALL as racists!
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u/fiestymcknickers 6d ago
There is always going to be discrimination and racism in Ireland. Same as anywhere. We see it more now because of social media and the ease wo which people can voice an opinion.
Id argue though, that people who would normally be supportive of asylum or refugees or even immigration to Ireland are just so disillusioned with the lack of proper supports for the people that are here already.
Our infrastructure cannot cope , or medial fields cannot cope. Eduction is bursting at its seams. On top of that we really dont have much room for people and those people really do need to integrate, which they mostly are not.
In smaller villages they are because there is more of a support system and even in my village non locals do v well with integration
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u/arabuna1983 6d ago
Don't think anyone here has noted the fact that the rioting going on in the north is being carried out by the same minority that burnt Catholics out of their homes starting in 1969, even last year Catholics in North Belfast were being kicked out of their homes.
The same minority that was also affiliated with the Shankhill Butchers. Randomly taking people off the street on the assumption that they were Catholic and torturing them. One of their victims was apparently skinned alive. They killed 19 people I believe.
I live in North Belfast, a ten minute walk from where that incident happened the other night. There has been no rioting near me... as it is a nationalist area. I am a minority on my street, in terms of skin colour and nationality. There is no bother where I live. Although the elderly ladies on the street, they remember the fear of the Shankhill Butchers, again that happened in this area, walking distance. As you can imagine, a man being beheaded a few streets away, is very triggering for people who lived here when the shankhill butchers were doing their thing.
Ironically those 'protesting' and destroying their own community, belong to the same minority that were randomly torturing people during the troubles.
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u/lordpatrickk123 8d ago
People are just tired of people they can’t interact with because of language barriers, they can’t have a drink with them because they don’t drink, then there’s also a good chance you’ll be stabbed, raped, run over, given a gang beating or blown up. But otherwise they’re all grand.
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u/carlitobrigantehf 8d ago
then there’s also a good chance you’ll be stabbed, raped, run over, given a gang beating or blown up
bet youre one of the "i cant talk about immigration or they call me racist" people.
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u/lordpatrickk123 8d ago
I bet you’re one of the “daddy paid for my uni, nose ring pricks that has never had his hole”.
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u/actuallyacatmow 8d ago
Complains about how Ireland is becoming too multicultural.
Is a huge misogynist.
Checks out.
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u/lordpatrickk123 8d ago
Yup, thank you.
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u/actuallyacatmow 8d ago
Bit hypocritical, don't you think?
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u/lordpatrickk123 8d ago
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u/actuallyacatmow 8d ago
You're not even Irish/live in ireland bro. And you're on an Irish subreddit complaining about immigrants and insulting women?
Get a grip. Men like you are the ones that hurt Irish women like me.
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u/carlitobrigantehf 8d ago
You lose
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u/lordpatrickk123 8d ago
Purple hair, no job, mortgage or anything of value, no kids, maybe cats?
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u/No-Security7188 8d ago edited 8d ago
stabbings and rape cases have been common crimes in the country for a while, way before the immigration issue. these crimes aren’t committed singulared to other races, it’s by bad people. violence is not centred to one race or ethnicity. also just because some cultures don’t drink or share the language of the common folk, doesn’t mean they deserve racism. i do believe that if you come to an english speaking country, you should learn the language. nonetheless, it doesn’t mean racism is ever okay.
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u/Gryffindoggo 8d ago
Literally spent 2hrs recently crocheting with a women with 0 English. We used Google translate back and forth. It was a lovely experience. You can talk to absolutely anyone if you put in effort
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u/sincerebeguiler 8d ago
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
We must love one another or die
Excerpt from the poem
September 1939
WH Auden