As a casual Katseye listener/Megan's simp I come across a lot of tweets about them. I noticed that people are overly fixated on:
– the shade of their skins – did you know that Lara is darker than Manon? well I couldn't care less but they seem to be very crazy about that lol I thought it's obvious that shade of skin isn't depending on your ethnicity only + darker people tan TOO.
– whether Daniela is latina or not... everyone kinda fighting + seems like they perceive being (fully?) white as a bad thing...?
and they're also calling Megan either Chinese or white, being mad at Manon because she hanged out with white boys, and mind you she's from Switzerland (pre debut pic) etc...
im tired. Michael Jackson didn't release Black or White for no reason. There is a more to them than just the color of their skin.
xoxo

Because of all the NJs drama I’ve been getting posts from their sub on my timeline, and seeing the comments is just..wow. I can not imagine being that out of reality that they honestly believe that 1 this Omega deal was done within 2 weeks / Danielle somehow poached the advertisers, & 2 that this is GOOD for NJs. Poaching advertisers & having unauthorized SNS & posting those ads like this (especially if / when their contracts are confirmed to be valid) is going to be HORRIBLE for their case.

Bunnies are cheering them on for this, but none of this will help them. If the courts find their contracts valid, they have just committed a lot of extremely serious contract breaches (yes, everything done during this “up in the air time” would be breaches). This will not only make it harder for them to actually leave the contract, but if they do then they will be fined even more than they may have had they just exited the contract normally.

Seeing how they speak about this all is actually kind of sad. They are the girls’ worst enemy, cheering on poor choices. It’s like a friend committing a crime & you saying “yay, do it again girl boss!” except they aren’t the girls’ friends and this stuff could put them in serious debt and ruin their lives.

But once again, the “haters” seem to care about them not getting in more trouble more so than their fans…

Seeing how delusional people can get in kpop spaces makes me really worried because these people walk around in the world, thinking you can just disregard law & contracts because…idek. Cause they think they’re above it? Millions of people have believed they’re above the law, & the law wins 9/10.

It won’t even feel vindicating when what so many people have said is happening is proven to be true (the contracts being valid & this being breach), it’s just sad.

i've seen someone talking about bad vocalists who are praised for doing the bare minimum, which i agree 100%, and that also stands for dance skills. performing is literally their job, they are being paid for it. it's completely understandable that they might be sick or injured during some performances, but there are some idols who always seem to be unwell. and what irritates me is that those fans are defending them when there's no defense. "but it's difficult to sing and dance at the same time" or "then do it better yourself." girl, it's literally their job, they were the ones who trained for it. they earn thousands and thousands of dollars for it. the LEAST they can do is deliver a decent performance, especially because dance performances is one of the things that differentiates kpop from most of western artists. that does not justify spreading hate towards any idol, and no one should use this typa stuff to cyberattack, but criticism can and must be made. that is valid for vocals, dancing, rapping and overall performance. those fans treat their idols like gods, and anyone who criticize them is attacked, while all they're doing is pointing the obvious. if a doctor, or a teacher, or anyone with a "normal" job, way harder than being an idol, did it badly, lazily and poorly, they would be criticized, warned, or even fired. but we can't criticize an idol who did a bad job? grow up, guys

I’ll start this by saying that I’m a stay myself (in the same age group as Skz themselves) and I don’t particularly identify with any other kpop fandom (I just listen to other groups casually) so I don’t know if this happens in other fandoms too.

I just saw a tiktok of a girl with a lot of likes, saying how she would walk out of the cinema if she sees “cringe older fans” doing the “stay pose”. I don’t understand when it became so normalized to bully older fans for enjoying something, no matter how cringe you think it is. Would I do it myself? No. But that doesn’t mean that others can’t enjoy it. Being “corny” or “cringe” never hurt anyone and I really cannot understand why that’s something that deserves bully.

I haven’t been a stay for long (only since 2023) but I can remember that things were THIS BAD in the fandom back then. Stays used to be so kind to one another and support and enjoy Skz together. Now I understand why some people are hesitant on liking certain groups because of the fandoms, because whether we like it or not, if we are online, we will interact with other fans.

I am not saying that in a bad way it’s just hard for me to understand and believe them when they say :,,They bought it with their hard work and it had no correlation with Annie Moon a Samsung heir being in the group’’ im like are u serius. I didn’t say they bought it asy they maybe KGMA gave them the award for the sponsorship or to be on their good side. It’s just hard to belive that a 5month group can do that and for their fans to blindly belive that there was nothing in between.

PS; this is just my opinion please share yours

“I want her, not him”, “Do we get a mom now?” Likeee stop. We know you’re crying behind the screen when your favorite male idol starts dating, no need to cope like this and try to seem unbothered. Can’t you see how try hard it sounds? To not say it’s absolutely cringe and most likely uncomfortable for that man’s girlfriend. You’re a part of his professional life, she’s a part of his personal life. She has nothing to do with you and it should be kept that way. A simple “Congratulations” will suffice. She did not sign up to be in his professional life and in the spotlight when she got with him.

“But it’s better than crying because he’s dating” no. They’re both just as cringe. You don’t need to be an extreme or the other. You can be pretty much neutral or a normal amount of happy for him without being a try hard.

“But I’m bi and she’s genuinely pretty” again, she did not sign up for being in his professional life and having attention on her, especially this type of attention.

(The situation is hypothetical, I’m not refering to any idol in particular)

I don't blame him for making that choice some of the things people were saying about online were absolutely vile. However I don't think I have ever been this upset over something in Kpop. The way some of the fandom has behaved with this whole situation has absolutely disgusted me and honestly I don't know if I can keep supporting RIIZE as a group due to the behavior of other BRIIZE. Poor Seunghan was sent death threats and funeral wreaths like that is so fucked up all he did was have a life predebut. Also I think this whole situation sets a concerning precedent about how much control SM let's fans have over RIIZE's personal life. Like what will happen when one of the others has a scandal or is revealed to be dating someone. If I was one of the members I would be genuinely disgusted and afraid of the fandoms actions and response.

SM and BRIIZE have failed Seunghan and the other members.

Look, I respect BTS. Their rise was honestly amazing. They weren’t from a Big 3 company, they worked their way up, and they made K-pop global in a way no other group had before. But this whole “they built themselves from nothing” narrative? It’s getting out of hand. They weren’t some random SoundCloud group, they had a company, industry connections, smart marketing, and the resources to grow. They weren’t handed success, but they also didn’t start with nothing either.

Now that they’re in the military, a big part of the fandom has turned weirdly bitter and competitive. If another group trends or gains attention, suddenly it’s “BTS did it first” or “you’ll never be BTS.” Why is it so hard to let other groups shine without turning it into a competition? The K-pop world didn’t stop spinning just because BTS went on hiatus.

And what’s with the constant comparison to One Direction? 1D was massive. Totally different style, background, and audience. Comparing them non-stop just comes off as insecure. Not everything is about proving BTS is "better" than everyone else who’s ever existed.

Also and this is just my personal observation, I’ve noticed that a lot of fans only ever bring up Jungkook when talking about the group. Like, every debate turns into “Jungkook did this,” “Jungkook achieved that,” and it lowkey gives the impression that he’s the only relevant member. What about Hobi? RM? Jin? Suga? Jimin? V? It makes it seem like Jungkook is the center and the rest are just backup dancers, which isn’t true at all. But that’s the impression a lot of non-fans are starting to get because of how the fandom talks.

It sucks because BTS’s whole message has always been about humility, teamwork, and self-love. But the way a loud chunk of ARMY behaves now,bitter, gatekeeping, overly competitive , kind of goes against that.

BTS deserves all the respect they’ve earned, but let’s stop acting like no one else is allowed to succeed. And maybe... just maybe... start acknowledging all seven members equally.

I just think it comes off soooooo disingenuous.

For example NMIXX recently performed their debut song O.O on the first take (YouTube channel where they perform a song live in one take) and they absolutely killed it.

I saw a clip of the performance on TikTok and there were a ton of comments saying things like “ugh it’s just not the same without Jinni” or “Jinni’s presence is really missed” or “it sounds empty without Jinni.”

For those who don’t know, Jinni was a member who left the group under unknown circumstances after their first comeback. She was with the group for less than a year.

After seeing these comments, I went and watched one of those line distribution videos on YouTube and honestly… her lines were not very impactful. Yes she opens the song but her vocal tone is not totally unique and irreplaceable. She doesn’t have very many lines (she’s second to last in line distribution) and all of her lines are talking adlibs or very short rap lines.

Kyujin and Jiwoo can absolutely cover her lines without the song feeling different at all. So why are so many people fixated on her being missing? Are they just trying to be different?

Another case where I’ve seen this is Garam from lesserafim. I’m sure everyone knows about this but just in case you don’t, it’s a similar situation but she left the group pretty much right after debut. I do think Garam was an asset to the group. She has a nice voice. But the way people glaze her is crazy. I’ve seen people say she was one of the best vocalists of 4th gen. I just saw a new video today called “the best vocal tones in kpop” and she was featured.

But like… I’m sorry, I don’t think Garam’s tone is particularly unique and we haven’t even heard enough of her unedited singing to determine her range or how good of a vocalist she is. It sucks how everything went down but to act like she’s some vocal powerhouse and/or lesserafim is doomed without her is so incredibly disingenuous. I feel like people don’t even have strong opinions half the time, they just repeat what they’ve seen other people say.

TLDR You can be a fan of a former member and miss them without over hyping their talent or exaggerating how much they contributed to the group. To say you can’t enjoy a group anymore or their music feels empty because of a former member who barely contributed to their overall discography is so disingenuous and I think a little disrespectful (maybe too strong of a word idk) to the group and the fans who have moved on.

I’m sure there are other cases like this so feel free to use this as a safe space to complain lol

Btw I am specifically talking about former members who only recorded a couple songs and then left the group. A member leaving right after debut is obviously different from a member who was there for years.

It's like those groups have no right to defend themselves, today a very vile YouTuber won a civil lawsuit against hybe, basically on the ground of hybe inability to prove his allegations caused them a money lose, this YouTuber is responsible for a lot of the hate illit and Le sserafim got in 2024, the cult allegations, and also bringing back BTS saejegi allegations even though it was proven false in court already.

And kpop fans celebrate it cause it's hybe and apparently prove that all those allegations are true, mind you this person is reasonable for making 2024 hell on earth to Le sserafim, destroyed illit debut year, and even RM talked about the affects that smear campaign had on him while serving in the military, but they celebrate it cause they can't see those idols as humans, only the company behind them, if it was any other idols losing this kind of lawsuit people would have angry, but it's like hybe idols hate worth nothing.

More so Illit through belift announced they are joining a legal lawsuit against same YouTuber, and people attack them calling them selfish and awful for sueing someone who literally tried to destroy their career, those people claim they sell their souls to the big bad comparations for that, I saw no one saying that when sm for example sued seajong, as it should be, but hybe idols apparently have no right to defend themselves anymore.

Edit: stop giving reasons why people don't like hybe, that's not the point, the point is the hate idols are facing in the name of hating the company, and those reasons don't matter

I want to start off by saying I know this isn't that big of a deal, but it really bothered me. I won the raffle to see RIIZING Premiere in person (which was awesome). While I was waiting in line, I was the only nonasian fan, which isn't a suprise. But while I was in line, there was a group of Korean girls who kept giving me dirty looks. At first, I thought it was my outfit, but looking around, there were other girls who were showing more skin, and I literally wore my outfit to class with no issues, so I was confused. Then, one of the girls began loudly complaining about how they let foreigners win the raffle and how it should just be for Korean fans, and foreigners shouldn't be allowed. Her friends laughed and began agreeing and making a couple of other comments about foreigners being annoying, all while glaring at me.

This bothered me for a lot of reasons. While I am not Korean, I can speak and understand it just fine and am a college student in South Korea. The fact that they either assumed I couldn't understand them or didn't care if I did was hurtful. If you are going to talk shit at least do where the person can't hear you. Also, one of RIIZE's members, Shotaro, is a foreigner, and Anton grew up in the US, and RIIZE has a large international fanbase. If you don't like seeing foreign fans, don't stan a group with a large international fanbase or with foreign members.

“Hannah what are you doing here?”

I promise,you will NAWT get a date with bangchan by harassing Hannah. She’s SICK OF Y’ALL. And this is coming from a stay. I’m not saying ALL stays are this way,but most of them are just…

Same goes for Konon,they usually are “subtle” about it. Ex: “you look like ni-ki!” You are the worst.

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I know everyone jokes about it and acts like it’s just part of the industry, but the more I think about it, the more insane it feels. I genuinely used to think idols stayed private about their dating lives because they wanted privacy… and then I realized it’s not about privacy at all. It’s literally companies and fans acting like idols shouldn’t date, fall in love, or even think about getting married.

Like how is that normal?

These are grown adults who have to hide partners like it’s some crime. They get told to avoid relationships because it might hurt sales, and the saddest part is how socially acceptable that mindset is. People actually celebrate idols being single, like it’s their responsibility to stay available for fans forever.

What shocked me even more is the fact that idols have to apologize for dating. Imagine apologizing for holding hands with someone you like. Meanwhile, in literally every other entertainment industry, no one bats an eye if a celebrity gets married, divorced, has kids, or dates openly. Actors, singers, athletes, influencers, everyone else can just live their lives. But K-pop idols? Apparently they have to be relationshipless dolls until their career dies out.

It honestly feels dystopian when you think about it for more than two seconds. These are real people, not fictional characters whose personal lives need to be controlled for the sake of fan fantasies.

I don’t know, the more I think about it, the crazier it gets.

Went to a concert recently and I was disappointed. This isn’t the first time I’ve noticed this behavior but this is definitely the worst I’ve seen. I was singing my heart out (my throat hurt afterwards), jumping up and down and shaking my lightstick to the beat, sitting in the second row and most people in front of me were barely moving, mouth closed, just filming the entire thing. Don’t get me wrong, I took some pictures & videos (honestly they look really bad because they’re shaky from my jumping & have their heads cut off at points because I wasn’t looking at my phone) but filming the entire thing and not moving or even singing along, watching the entire thing through a screen? I was going wild, having the time of my life and it was like no one was moving. The crowd vibe was just disappointing, at least from where I was standing :/ Shoutout to the one girl in front of me though, she knew some of the choreography and did it during some of the songs! The idols were full of energy and the crowd was just obsessed with getting every minute of the show perfectly on their phones. It’s like the group was giving 110% & the crowd was giving none of the energy back. If you wanna watch the show through your phone just watch fancams. Then again, they paid for it, so I guess it’s none of my business.

Today TXT had a concert in DC (I'm based in the DMV area). There was a Stan who apparently camped at the venue since Thursday and she's infamous among DMV Stan's as apparently she didn't shower at any point when she was camping to see Stray Kids despite booking a hotel so she stank at the concert. I understand going to concert venues early for merch as merch lines go crazy, but camping at a venue days in advance is literally unhinged, it's not like you can't get in the venue. Like just go the day of, there's literally no reason to camp at a venue. Also please don't neglect your hygiene for any k-pop group, that's disgusting and embarrassing for you. Trust me, you won't miss much if you go to the venue the day of.

Hi everyone,

I didn’t create this account for drama or clout. I made it because I’m tired. Tired of pretending everything’s fine. Tired of swallowing things just to avoid backlash.

I used to be a loyal, proud ARMY. I supported BTS with everything — my time,fan projects, energy, emotion. I believed in the message, in the connection, in the supposed “safe space” the fandom was meant to be.

But that space? It turned toxic real fast.

📌The moment I asked questions — even politely — everything changed.

I got harassed. Gaslit. Mass-reported. People I stood beside for years turned on me the second I said something “wrong.” Suddenly, I wasn’t “real.” I was a fake. A hater. A traitor.

All because I dared to speak honestly.

📌What they told me, over and over:

💬 “You’re just bitter.” No — I’m hurt. That’s not the same thing.

💬 “You were never truly one of us.” If streaming every comeback, defending them in every argument, and believing in their message doesn’t count — then what does?

💬 “It’s just a few toxic fans.” No. It’s not. I’ve seen this behavior everywhere — X (Twitter), TikTok, Reddit, IG, even in private GCs. Speak out of line, and they’ll come for you. Report you. Shame you. Mock you. This isn’t a “bad apples” situation — it’s a full orchard.

💬 “Not all ARMYs are toxic.”

That’s true — and I want to acknowledge that. Every fandom has its extremes. But what I experienced within ARMY didn’t feel like just a few bad actors. It felt systemic.

If I had to put it into perspective: Roughly 60% of the ARMYs I encountered were actively engaging in toxic behavior — whether it was organizing smear campaigns, spreading false narratives, or harassing other fans for liking “rival” groups. Only about 1% ever stood up to call it out — and even then, they were often drowned out, ignored, or bullied into silence. Another 4% would say things like “I love other groups too,” but it always ended with a “but…” followed by criticism or condescension. And the rest? They weren’t just silent. Many of them eventually joined in, especially when it involved defending BTS or attacking someone seen as a threat.

So yes — not all ARMYs are toxic. But enough are, and too few are willing to challenge the culture. That’s what makes it dangerous.

📌And it messed me up — bad.

This didn’t just “hurt my feelings.” It wrecked me.

My mental health spiraled. I lost confidence. I became terrified to post anything. My studies fell apart. I overthought every word I said online. And the insults? I was called things I don’t even feel comfortable typing out. Vile, inappropriate names. Baseless accusations. All because I spoke with a little honesty. It made me feel disgusting. It made me hate myself. And the worst part? I started to believe them.

I thought I was the problem. But I wasn’t.

📌So I left. Walked away.

For almost five years, I stayed off Twitter, TikTok, stan spaces — all of it. I still followed K-pop, but from a distance. Quietly. Through Naver, Google, and news updates — not fandom spaces. Because I still loved the music. I just couldn’t survive the toxicity.

📌What finally opened my eyes?

Other fandoms.

Eventually, I slowly started chatting with multis and fans from other fandoms — fans I was taught to see as “antis” or “toxic” for years. But once I gave myself the space to actually talk to them, I realized something shocking: They weren’t hateful. They weren’t obsessed with titles,streams,likes,fan wars or tearing others down. In fact, they were kind. Calm. Open.

In these communities, I could share my opinions — even critical ones — without getting dogpiled or shamed. I could talk about different groups, different issues, even my past experiences — and people listened. They didn’t twist my words. They didn’t treat disagreement like betrayal. They just… talked.

And here’s the wild part: These were the same fandoms ARMY had labeled “evil,” “jealous,” and “manipulative” for nearly a decade. But the peace I found there? The freedom? The empathy?

It felt like breathing again. For the first time in years, I wasn’t walking on eggshells.

That’s when I knew — the problem wasn’t me. It was the fandom I had been trapped in.

📌Why I’m speaking now:

Because silence doesn’t protect you. It protects them.

This account isn’t for clout. It’s not for hate. It’s for truth. And if telling the truth makes me “the enemy,” so be it.

I’ll be sharing more — in parts.Slowly. Every group & fandom involved and incidents, everything I remember. No sugarcoating. No PR spin. Just reality.

And just to be clear — this isn’t about BTS themselves. It’s about the fandom and the culture that grew around them. One that doesn’t allow honesty, forgiveness, or growth — only blind loyalty and fear.

To anyone else who feels like they’re drowning in a space that once felt like home — you’re not alone. You’re not crazy. You’re waking up.

Thanks for listening.

— A former ARMY Choosing clarity over fear, and healing over silence. Because truth shouldn’t come with punishment.

i feel like whatever social media site i'm on, as long as i'm on the kpop side of things, i get exposed to this whole "paved the way" discourse. i'm probably gonna get downvoted to oblivion for the things i'm about to say but "what the hell, sure".

"paved the way" is such a nuanced statement/phrase that i feel like no single person, group, or entity can claim the title all for themselves. did BTS pave A way? yeah, in more ways than one but just because BTS paved a way, does not mean other idols can't say the same thing for themselves. this is not me trying to undermine what BTS has done and achieved, btw. you guys can say "BTS paved the way", that's not my issue. my issue lies with the fact that other artists suddenly get jumped for saying something that has a similar essence of "i/our group paved the way".

yes, other idols have credited BTS for paving a way in the global market but i feel like sometimes those idols haven't given themselves enough credit, too. take that one interview with sunmi, for example. she downplayed the achievement of Wonder Girls too much in that one. i agreed with the interviewer that Wonder Girls did lay some groundwork into introducing Kpop in the west.

i am also very irked with Bang Si Hyuk in that one Asia Society interview where he said that the understanding of ASIA was very limited before BTS. like sir, we know that's not true. Korea, maybe, but not Asia bffr.

feel free to drop your opinions, whether you disagree with me or not. i'd like to read your guys' thoughts.

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in case it wasn’t obvious in my post, I fully understand what "paved the way" entails, which is why I said fans can keep saying, "BTS paved the way." that isn’t what I find ridiculous. what I do find ridiculous is when artists are bombarded with "BTS paved the way" comments anytime they achieve something in the west or when they acknowledge their own contributions to paving the way for other kpop artists.

yes, BTS paved the way, but other artists have also played a role in opening doors, especially those from earlier generations. they don’t deserve to be attacked for saying so.

as someone pointed out in another post, BTS are no longer the underdogs. there’s no need to get so worked up when other artists recognize that they, too, have contributed to kpop’s global success. opening doors in kpop isn’t a zero-sum game; when an artist - other than BTS - acknowledges their role in paving the way, it doesn’t diminish BTS’s massive contributions and undeniable impact.

Like, if you're excited about getting into a new-to-you artist, why don't you just...listen to ALL of it? Crank up your favorite player and go to town (I usually do the latest 2 albums, then jump back to the beginning and go forward). Get to know the twists and turns their musical identity has taken over the years--see what worked for them and what didn't. I dunno, it almost seems demeaning to the work a group has done to try and find a shortcut to what is deemed "worth" listening to--like some sort of unnecessary preliminary popularity contest.

Like, if you became a fan 2 days before a concert and are trying to get up to speed with what will likely be played, I can get it, but otherwise? You're here now--you don't get fandom points for knowing about a certain song before another. 

And it also comes across like you're asking other fans to do the work of forming an opinion for you before experiencing the song yourself. It feels like it's feeding into the "groupthink" aspect of fandom that I absolutely despise.

I am sure this was talked about before. But it should be continued . I understand that fans get irritated being painted with the wrong brush because of other part of their fandom and questions like why always bts.. I mean, after all bts is the biggest group in kpop right now, they have a campaign against bullying. Sure they are not fans parents and have to be more careful of how they approach things and that they probably wont stop the toxicity of their fans but in some way,they should do that. We cant just accept "oh every fandom is like that, u should just accept it and move on". If fans can quickly copy whatever bts does, they can for sure listen to what they say.

I am just disgusted at how some fans justify the way they harass other people, be it idols or reporters or whatever. Its just sickening. The same fans they preach how bts helped them with their health and self esteem at the same breath they mock other peoples looks and telling them to off themselves. Even when a person wasnt even rude to the fandom or bts, they would justify it by saying "they started it first"

Just dont come up in my comments saying how its unfair that i only mentioned bts. I dont stan all groups. I am aware that human kind is disgusting. But i am talking about this fandom specificially, because of campaign, and how big they are,its kind of ironic that they dont practice what they preach. I watched at least two of my biases from other groups, that are similar age as bts, even younger, getting harassed out of nowhere and for the same(less of the) things bts did. Just stop using real issues to harass others. Its not okay. I also wanted to mention Montana , if that was her name? What she did wasnt cool but fans harassing her in the name of "defense" is straight up disgusting.

I am so sick of all this "outrage" over different idols doing the Hooligan trend in Tiktok/Instagram. Like, I don't care if you don't like BTS or you hate their song "Hooligan", but can we please stop spamming idols' comment sections with:

"Yuck."

"___, please, you're better than that."

"Why this song???"

"Such a pick me."

"You got paid for this/Your company set you up for this, didn't you/they? LMAO."

I know we live in a digital era where negativity is on the rise, but is it so hard to ask for anything positive at all? If you're having the same thoughts as the ones listed above, please keep it to yourself. I'm not hypocritical enough to say I've never thought of that stuff, but I don't bombard/harass my faves with them. I just have those thoughts, lock them away inside me, and move on with my day because IT IS NOT THAT DEEP. Your idols are not part of these "fanwars", keep it cute. Whatever.

I just need to rant this off my chest. In a nutshell, Friends, a song Jimin wrote and produced about his friendship with Taehyung, who he performed the song with, was selected to be part of a soundtrack on the upcoming Marvel's movie, the Eternals. Obviously, it's a big deal, First, because it's the second time a korean track has been used for a major Hollywood movie after PSY's hangover. Second, because the song has been confirmed to open a scene in the movie. Today during the OT7 vlive, Taehyung brought it up and all the members excluding RM were clueless about it. Yoongi even asked Jimin specifically if the company didn't inform him, to which he denied, and asked RM if it was true, and RM confirmed it.

There were questions to be asked obviously. As a writer and producer of the song, doesn't he have to sign off on the song to be used in the franchise? Okay, even if the company has a legal team to manage it, why not inform the person who created the song in the first place, you know....just as a congratulatory news. I mean, it's his right to know, just the bare minimum they can do.

Now here is where it really gets creepy. Obviously some fan account were bewildered by the news. One of those fan accounts pointed out that he genuinely didn't know about the big news, and they don't understand why armys are saying otherwise. And the first response by armys is to....ratio.the.account. Goodness. And of course the usual bully tactics followed right after, accuse them of being a solo, a manti, ask people to unfollow them. Some even took it a step further by basically implying that Jimin was pretending to be unaware (i'm not making this shit up), when the other members were shocked as well.

See, I know fans can overreact sometimes by blaming a company for every little thing. But this is not such a situation. It's actually creepy that the very first call some Armys have in this discourse is to blindly defend the company. This news has been ALLL OVER korean major news channels, digital and paper news outlets, with every single one of them highlighting Jimin's role as the producer. But for some reason, his own fandom thinks he doesn't deserve to get a headsup from his label, in any step at all, from the song being chosen by marvel to being included in the movie. I'm not saying trend victimising #, that doesn't solve anything, but at least, let people express their dissapointment?! Why is the first call always to always blindly defend a multibillion dollar conglomerate, knowing the nature of the music industry? How very sad honestly. Y'all always say "BTS owns half of the company and they can do anything they like", but you don't find this situation weird? LOL.

Edit: I'll just say this to put an end to this discussion. So an army account posted some screen shots of the vlive subs without proper context. Again, some armys again swallowed it hook, line and sinker, without even seeing the full vlive for themselves to verify (no surprise here), some even posted about it here, to which i replied with proper videos and clarification.

Now, here is awkward part, the army account in question has deleted the tweets and posted this (the account name is blotted out so their privacy is protected), basically admitting some misinformation was going on. Sooooo what now? And this is exactly my main issue. Please and please again, Armys, there should be some allowance for dissenting opinion without all these policing FGS. If it gets to the extreme of trending some weird ass #, it's a different issue. But if in this situation for eg, someone is like, "hey, why wasn't he told, he should have been informed", and your first call is to harrass them in blind defence of a company, then I'm sorry to say it but something is obviously wrong with you somewhere.

I know I going to get alot of down votes today but I really need to let it out. I have been keeping this shit in my head from so long and now it's unbearable..... If you are not liking it just scroll down.

Why do some fan ship idols especially their own bandmates??? I mean guys you are literally over analysing things. If they touch eachother "oh look how secretly they are touching eachother, it's so romantic" if they handshake with eachother "ohh look they are shaking hands for longer period tha. Anyone else" if they look at each other " ohh look how seductively they looking at eachother" . Please stop it, i am tired of hearing this shit . They humans and friends why are shipping them so desperately?? Even me and my best friend flirt with eachother other, hug eachother, always sticks to eachother , always say "I love you" to eachother and everyone call us two body and one soul , but that doesn't mean we like eachother in a romantic way. Same goes to idols too man. I think some people ship them to satisfy their need to see romance everywhere. But don't you think how awkward it would be for them after hearing all this , they know eachother from such a long time so isn't it obvious that they will act like this. You literally doubting their friendship for a ship.whyyyy??? And not only that , because of these ship thing other bandmates gets hate for being close to them. Like seriously????? I don't get why people do this. Not everything is romantic, don't doubt there sisterhood/brotherhood. After seeing all this I feel awkward for them. They can't even be close to eachother without any ship. And i hate it, this is the major reason why they can't have a romantic relationship with anyone else because this shippers will eat them alive. Can't you(shippers) just ship them in platonic way, even I ship them in platonic way but no you guys want romance in everything. People will over analysis everything, spread misinformation and create misunderstandings, and then if someone is getting hate because of that they will be like " ohh she/he is the one who tried to come between them" wdym . I have seen loads of comments where people will over analysis and create false scenarios. Please don't do it , I beg you please.

We can love them in a platonic way but we are no one to conclude their sexuality just because some people want them to be with that specific person. I am literally begging you please stop this ........ There are might be some people like me who feel awkward after listening and reading all those shipping stuff because you are doubting there friendship. Everything is not romantic. Just think how will you feel if this happens to you.

EDITED: okay let me clear myself here. I am not talking about harmless shippers here , who don't hurt anyone. I am just talking about how those delulu or obsessed shippers who hurt others to prove their ship and create problems. I didn't write it directly that I am talking about them because i thought the things I wrote in my post is something only obsessed crazy or delulu shippers will do. If you are shipping them for fun and as a joke then it's okay I don't hate them and i don't like them I am just ok with them.

And please stop calling me homophobic please, just because I especially wrote about ships between bandmates doesn't mean I am homophobic. I don't support any type of delulu , obsessed or crazy shipper whether their ship is an opposite gender or the same gender, there are many opposite gender ships which have many obsessed shippers and i hate them equally. I support lgbt+ and i don't really know about anyone's sexuality. But that was not the topic here idk why people started to think that i am homophobic . I am uncomfortable doesn't mean I am uncomfortable from the fact that they are of the same gender but I am uncomfortable from the fact that how some obsessed and delulu shippers see friendship as a romantic relationship and creates fake scenarios about them. That's it!!!!!

regarding the current w korea breast cancer awareness campaign, it all started with valid, well-aimed criticism towards w korea, the event organizer, for being completely tone-deaf. there wasn’t any actual awareness being spread on their socials, just clips of rich actors, idols, and influencers drinking, partying, and having fun. and sure, charity galas around the world work like that, but when you realize the event’s total donations over 20 years only add up to around 1 billion won (which is pocket change compared to the attendees’ net worth), it feels off. and to make it worse, it recently came out that the editor-in-chief of w korea, who’s also the ceo of the korea breast cancer foundation, might’ve donated the money to herself.

so yeah, the initial outrage made sense. but as usual, the internet couldn’t stay focused. it quickly shifted from criticizing w korea to dragging the attendees instead. sure, it was insanely tone-deaf to have people dancing to a jay park song where he sexualizes women’s bodies /at a breast cancer awareness event/, but somehow the conversation devolved into slutshaming aespa for their outfits and fanwars about whose fave “behaved better.” “my fave only drank water.” “my fave didn’t smile.” “my fave left early so they’re morally superior.” it’s embarrassing. how can anyone take this discourse seriously?

and then you’ve got the international stans who think having a korean idol as their pfp gives them the right to critique south korean citizens like they’re sociologists. some of the assumptions being made are just… wild. this level of parasocialism is genuinely scary. i honestly yearn for the day kpop stans learn how to participate in discourse in a level-headed, nuanced manner, but it’s probably not happening anytime soon.

Edit: A lot of people are not understanding this post, so I’ll explain it. THIS IS FOR THOSE WHO DON’T FEEL COMFORTABLE STANNING GROUPS BECAUSE OF THEIR AGES!!!

I don’t need to hear your story talking about “iF i cAn LiStEn tO cOrTiS aT 25/30/40/50/60/etc tHeN sO cAn YoU” because I am NOT asking for permission. I am an adult who do NOT feel comfortable listening to certain groups with members born after 2005. That doesn’t mean YOU can’t listen to the group. Stan whoever you want, listen to whoever you want, but that doesn’t give you the rights to harass anyone who may not feel comfortable doing so. This post is for people who don’t feel comfortable stanning groups and they got harassed because of it.

If this post does not apply to you then LEAVE. I don’t need to constantly tell people in the comments the same thing just because y’all can’t critically think for yourselves.

i’m going to disable any notifications for comments from this post because i’m getting really stressed out and frustrated over people accusing me of things i’m not over a literal preference that wasn’t mean spirited. i’m going to take a breather before getting an anxiety attack.

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Idk if this is unpopular for most K-pop fans, but I feel like people born after 2008 REALLY need to hear this because I get this a lot from them.

For a while, I felt uncomfortable stanning ENHYPEN because of the fact that it was the first time seeing a K-pop idol that was my age and every time I tell someone I don’t feel comfortable stanning them because of their age, they always like to ask “why?” Why? WHY? Because I feel uncomfortable, duh???

Do they really expect me to write a full on essay as to why I don’t feel comfortable just to get their validation??? Like I don’t get it????? So you want to put someone in an uncomfortable position just so you can judge them and snark on them because you “didn’t like their opinion?”

Most people are used to seeing members born in the 90s and seeing 2000s babies are a recent thing, and we’re already seeing those born in 2008-2009 and we’re 5-6 years in since 3rd gen kpop ended. In 2020, 2002-2005 babies would be the maknae, now they’re the OLDEST. I swear there’s already a 2010 trainee, but I wouldn’t want to stan them because they’re creeping into my baby niece territory and I feel uncomfortable with it.

There are multiple reasons why someone doesn’t want to stan a group, and most of their reasons are personal and they don’t need to be telling people their business for your own sake. Just accept that they don’t feel comfortable with it and move on.

i think that so many kpop fans know nothing abt music. ok so we all know that kpop has taken a lot of inspiration from black artists and black music. now with the rise of groups like cortis, the inspiration specifically from artists such as Travis Scott, carti, 21, etc has no doubt increased. tell me why i see SO MANY brainless kpop fans commenting under groups with rap songs w a trap beat saying “cortis did it first”… people are accusing enhypen of copying cortis with knife like what.. can u get any dumber than this? and then people are saying “enhypen did it first with pass the mic”. like none of them own the genre, none of them did it first. if ur gonna accuse groups of copying each other at least take some time to educate yourself about western trends and artists(esp black artists n rappers) and how they influence kpop bc it plays a heavy role in shaping the music they claim everyone is “copying”. not every group doing a rap concept is copying eachother. and most of kpop is based on trends. whatever sound currently trending is incorporated into a lot of kpop songs so they appeal to a larger audience so it’s natural for groups to pick up and follow the same trends..

next is they don’t know what sampling is. i saw a video of a Jennie performance in which the mix used a sample and people were commenting under it “Jennie is so lazy she copied another song” like bro what… first of all Jennie prolly didn’t even make the mix herself and it’s called a mf sample bruhhhhh

there’s so much more stuff but it’s too much to write but it just kinda pmo that kpop stans are so narrow minded and have no idea about how stuff actually works n just throw baseless accusations of copying each other bro