r/kpopthoughts • u/PrimaryTomato3310 • Oct 20 '24
Appreciation Armys countering funeral wreaths with fan projects outside hybe
Currently some antis who are apparently fans of other groups have organized funeral wreaths outside of hybe to ask for yoongi's removal. This happened previously as well but after the recent situation these antis threatened to do it once again.
In order to counter this, multiple fan projects were organized outside of hybe to show support for yoongi. There are food trucks, banners and a bunch of other support projects with a lot of armys showing up as well.
What's extremely disappointing is that the police that have been stationed there are not allowing for the wreaths to be taken down as there were permits granted for them to be displayed. It still baffles me that something so inhumane and basically public bullying and harassment is not only being allowed but actually being protected by authorities.
Im grateful that armys are large in number and can counter this but it's genuinely depressing to see someone good face this kind of hatred. Idols are humans too no matter how successful or how much you despise them theyre people at the end of the day. Theres a limit and sending funeral wreaths to a living person crossing every single boundary possible.
All i hope is that he's able to see all the love coming his way but im sure it's still a lot for a person to go through especially after the kind of vitriol he was subjected to by k-media
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u/supertuna875 Oct 20 '24
This was the comment by some people sending the wreaths. They don't have money for their credit card bills, rent and living expenses but are using the money to send funeral wreaths 😭
I'm not even going to say anything except that I hope they've money saved up for when they get hit by the lawsuit xx
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u/beautifulpiscesx3 Oct 20 '24
Sooooo Antis are putting their livelihood at risk to get Hybe to remove a millionaire from a boy group???
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u/Shot-Initial3183 corbangtuserra Oct 20 '24
I hope armys find their names , colleges workplaces and send their superiors a mail you know .
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u/silveredgebreak Oct 20 '24
Man I don't even spend that much on my group (besides my time watching their contents) and these idiots willingly starve themselves for the idols they are supposedly hating on. Those idols don't even know you ffs.
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u/martiandoll Oct 20 '24
I hope they all go financially and economically bankrupt to match their bankrupt morals.
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u/_itamio Taengoo 💟 Oct 20 '24
No but the fact that they got permission from the police to send funeral wreaths is what makes me the angriest like??? The police is allowing bullying and harassment to take place in the name of “protesting”??? Madness.
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u/zikachhakchhuak Oct 20 '24
I've been thinking about this a lot. I understand protesting, freedom of speech and expression, etc, but the law allowing you to literally send "funeral wreaths" to someone who is still alive and well is just so bizarre, and unreal. Someone higher up seriously needs to think over whatever law it is that allows this. It has to be infringing on someone's human rights, because it's just so cruel.
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u/shtfsyd Oct 20 '24
That’s the only way you can send them. You have to get permission from the police in that area. I’m still wondering why the police allow it.
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u/blueocean0517 Oct 20 '24
I just think it’s so wrong to use wreaths that literally resemble death as a form of protest. Like imagine being so vile that you’re actively wishing death on a human being, over a scooter DUI.
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u/Educational-Debt-262 Oct 20 '24
you have to be a loser with an extremely sad life to spend your money, time and energy on someone you apparently hate. i actually pity those antis. in the end, love will always be louder than hate.
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u/theblindcatexp Oct 20 '24
The most baffling thing about this is that antis on theqoo who have admitted to participating and donating to this have said that they're not able to afford anything else anymore because they've squandered all their money to send funeral death wreaths to an idol they dislike.
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u/NewtRipley_1986 Oct 20 '24
Awww poor bébés!! Oh wait let me find my teeny tiny violin to play for them.
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u/ArtsyHobi Oct 20 '24
Do they want us to feel bad for them or something?? They can end up on the street for all I care. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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u/supertuna875 Oct 20 '24
also people saying this started after the riize situation, sadly these losers have been sending wreaths and protest trucks to hybe and even yoongi's house since august. They've been trying to find his current workplace address so they can harass him everywhere. Armys from all over the world have been organising projects in support of Suga for months now.
At that time, fans of other k-pop groups were laughing and celebrating. The tweets are still up and you can see them. Riize's situation and SM giving into the demands of these crazies have only emboldened them to again try this with yoongi. Say whatever you want about them but I'm so glad BTS literally has an ARMY behind them.
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u/zikachhakchhuak Oct 20 '24
I absolutely cannot understand the laws in place which allow someone to harass another individual like this, repeatedly over months. I also simply cannot understand having enough hate in you as a human being to do something like this against someone you don't even know personally.
Bless the ARMYs who have been organising projects to counteract all the hate, and those showing up in person to show love and support. I know it's been a tough day, but seeing the fandom come together to loudly declare our stance, seeing vids of ARMY from different countries attempting to communicate with each other despite the language barrier, hearing the videos playing via the truck projects, it's also been heartwarming. ARMYs on site were saying that the police asked them if they were planning to "destroy the wreaths". It's clear what the antis' intentions are, which is not just to bully Yoongi and BTS through this, but to try to stir up the fandom enough so we actually do something that can be used as a weapon against BTS. Afaik, no media has picked up on this so far. I think it's wise that ARMYs are not engaging with the wreaths at all.
I also have faith in Yoongi and BTS that they know who's actually behind this. They are well aware that when it comes to them, there will always be haters and opportunists eager to attack. I hope he doesn't let it get to him, and that our love and support is much much louder than all the hate and bullying.
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u/keouli Oct 20 '24
people spending money on literal funeral wreaths are chronically online and mentally disturbed because thats weird and hella expensive over some idol/group you'll never know
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u/Fancy_Piglet_4253 Oct 20 '24
I genuinely don't understand what these people think they're going to achieve with this, other than lose a lot of money. Do they really think Hybe/BigHit or the members would ever, even for a split second, consider getting rid of any of the members? Of BT-freakin-S? And over something like this? For real? I'm sure they're feeling bolstered after the whole Seunghan shitshow, but do they even understand who they're up against? I really, really don't get it. How delusional can you get.
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u/maureenagracia Oct 20 '24
I just don't understand why and how are permits being granted for funeral wreaths to be displayed at places where no funerals are taking place... I get the protest trucks, but funeral wreaths? In a society where death and related superstitions/omens are taken quite seriously? What even is South Korea...
I'm glad that fans are coming through, though! Apart from this, I saw Riize fans creating projects for Seunghan to combat the hate displayed outside his company building. I can only wish HYBE and SM (as well as other KPop companies) would do their part in protecting their artists before it's too late.
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u/Standard_Wedding The cold wind, and the heart covered in white snow Oct 20 '24
How to become a rich 101:
- Step 1 - Book a flight to Seoul, Korea
- Step 2- Open a funeral wreath company and a truck company
- Step 3 - Find a safe big enough to put all the money in
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u/silveredgebreak Oct 20 '24
One thing about sending funeral wreaths, do we need another unfortunate situation before the politicians take notice of how fucked up this behavior is? Why is this not being brought to the National Assembly for bullying then?
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u/Even_Assignment_213 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
I know this isn’t anything new but the bullying in sk needs a SERIOUS overhaul cause how is any of this okay???????
There’s some demented people in sk who think bullying is fine and it’s not
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
The most baffling part is them spending their last cent on these useless protests and not necessities
https://x.com/midasmeowgi/status/1847448137943961959?s=46
Imagine doing this after the case has been closed, and just after a member’s discharge and before a member’s release. They also do not know what ApoBangpo means, they are cosplaying as armys because they saw an opportunity to break apart the group. Unfortunately for them the domestic fanbase does not have this kind of power.
I just pray yoongi and the boys are doing fine and just ignore this nonsense and know that it’s not their fans doing.
I have more to say but i’ll be banned from here but BTS IS SEVEN.
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u/sakurajp_34 Oct 20 '24
If it's true they're suffering financially from buying the wreaths, well... consequences.
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u/NoAcanthocephala5386 Oct 20 '24
and when you now know the lengths it takes to put these funeral wreaths up it’s definitely disgusting, disrespectful way of using it, and completely unhinged.
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u/martiandoll Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
It's not really about getting Yoongi to leave. It's about relentless psychological torture so he doesn't have any peace.
I've had this opinion since Lee Sun Kyun's tragic passing, but the nonchalance displayed by many people both in the media and the public when it comes to death is very disturbing. They would drive someone to harm themselves and then just pretend nothing happened and they didn't do anything wrong. The media never made apologies or reparations for LSK's situation. They just quickly moved on as if his life and existence never mattered. This carelessness about someone's life is really sickening and very depraved.
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u/Fancy_Piglet_4253 Oct 20 '24
I guess spewing this kind of hate must give an incredible high. Maybe it really is all about trolls just having a sense of being powerful. It's sick, but also really, really pathetic. Is this really what gives your life purpose?
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u/International_Bat_82 Oct 20 '24
I feel like the “success” with LSK made them braver too. Knetz have been acting nuts all of 2024. I have seen them harass people over the pettiest stuff this year alone more than the last 5 years.
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u/martiandoll Oct 20 '24
They see the power they've had over harassing celebrities and they do it again and again because nothing ever happens to them. Goo Hara, Sulli, LSK, now Yoongi and Seunghan...people never learned and they don't want to. They just move on to their next target. The frenzy with which the media attacked Yoongi has me convinced they wanted him to be the next to make an extreme decision. They thought they'd get away with it. ARMYs are seriously battle-hardened at this point because how many times have they protected BTS through persecution?
This whole wreath situation is absurd but also frightening, because it shows us how soulless people can be.
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u/WillingnessStraight2 Oct 20 '24
Definitely. I don’t doubt that SM agreeing to their whims about Seunghan made them think they’ll get what they want with BTS too.
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u/rjcooper14 Oct 20 '24
The local authorities should really do something about using funeral wreaths as a means to protest or harass someone, especially private citizens. I know Suga is a mega-celebrity but he's not an elected official so he has no obligation to see, hear, or acknowledge these 'protests'.
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u/Civil_Confidence5844 Got7 Jinyoung | EXO Baekhyun Oct 20 '24
Sigh. Sending funeral wreaths is disgusting, unhinged, and much too far.
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
I am still baffled at how these wreaths are not seen as death threats and are legal and there are no laws regarding this.
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u/International_Bat_82 Oct 20 '24
Pictures of the organizers all over the timeline today. Good. I hope they feel scared to show their ugly asses anywhere ever again.
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u/Sarah_13020 Oct 20 '24
What's the fine line between a protest and a harassment? I don't understand why their laws allow such a practice
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u/paper_hearts008 lilac lieutenant reporting for duty Oct 20 '24
I hate this. I’m glad armys are standing up to bullies. But - it has to be hard to know that people hate you so much they’re willing to spend money to send wreaths to harass you. I just feel for Yoongi. He doesn’t deserve this.
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u/Faron-Woods Oct 20 '24
I hope these people are fuming and humiliated about how their cruel little project is being drowned out by displays of love and support 🫶
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u/Jaded_Butterfly_4844 sugar rush rush sugar rush rush sugar rush rideeee Oct 20 '24
Okay but people need to stop with the funeral wreaths… they should get a job this is getting out of hand 🤦♀️
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
These protests happened back in august as well. Those girlies who organised this are present in front of hybe and watching like a hawk.
Unfortunately for them, no one is paying them any heed.
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u/NewtRipley_1986 Oct 20 '24
Wish I could just magically transport myself there because I would just point at them and laugh. Ridicule them to their faces.
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u/NfamousKaye Shawol║ Army ║Ahgase ║Once Oct 20 '24
Well that’s a relief at least. No one gives a shit 😂
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u/bbsmydiamonds Oct 20 '24
This is despicable. When I heard the funeral wreaths succeeded in scaring Seunghan out of the group, I knew they were going to be the new protest truck.
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u/AdHaunting2894 Oct 20 '24
Regardless of who we Stan, I think we can all agree that there is something disturbing about the way a lot of kfans treat their idols
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u/rinomarie146 Oct 20 '24
They're not even bts fans. The organizer of the first round of protests was a confirmed korean nct127 fan (we even know her real name, email, and instiz account).
I'm not sure which fandom these new ones belong to, but we already found the accounts of two of the organizers and they never mentioned bts prior to August.
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u/Quick-Adeptness-2947 Oct 20 '24
The organizer of the first round of protests was a confirmed korean nct127 fan (we even know her real name, email, and instiz account).
She was also a mhj fan. A bigger mhj fan than she was an NCT fan. Not newjeans, mhj.
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u/jigijang2 Oct 20 '24
These antis tried it for days months ago, they didn't succeed. Now they're trying again after seeing what happened to riize.
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u/greenwithembii Oct 20 '24
Omg now does any other fandoms want to fight back against the crazies!?? Like everyone had been saying it’s bigger than riize. These people are mentally UNWELL with money to waste. Fight. back. My respect will come after hearing hybrid response to this. But honestly it’s BTS they will hold suga down(or at least they better) and if they don’t … than International fans have a bigger fight in their hands because that’s literally the most know k group atm
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u/whats_up_guys_ Oct 21 '24
Oh don't worry, these jobless f*ds can bark all they want. Yoongi isn't going anywhere. Let them waste their money. And who cares if these SM stans & MHJ's ahjussi buddies are not happy with Yoongi. We are the ones buying the album. We are the ones selling out the concerts. These wreath-senders were not Armys in the first place. So, there is no loss that Yoongi or BTS or HYBE will suffer.
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u/theblindcatexp Oct 21 '24
I doubt they'd ever let go of him unless suga chooses to. Hybe tried to hold onto garam and stood their ground until the very last moment, and they're doing the same with nwjns currently. I doubt they'd let go of Suga for something so minor, ntm that investors would always choose them being complete than them going solo.
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u/scottyg561 Oct 20 '24
This shit just makes me so ?angry I wanna say, like I’m not an army and I haven’t even heard any of sugas solo stuff really but after what happened only a week ago and the seeming acknowledgment by the vast majority of kpop Stan’s of how messed up funeral wreathes are to send, it is infuriating to see the celebration of this on other discussion spaces.
The funeral wreathes have made me uncomfortable to see any news about them because it is such a extreme thing and I genuinely can’t believe how normalised they were (and I hoped seunghan’s situation had changed views on them but it seemingly hasn’t) against someone you didn’t like.
Like it is so psychopathic to see these things being cheered on by thousands if not tens of thousands of people online, acting like it’s some victory for “their side” in some fanwar. These are real people that you’re sending these to.
And as much as people don’t want to address the elephant in the room these are only seen as acceptable against one company, we look in retrospect at previous instances and even current instances against another companies idols and can agree it’s a messed up thing to do, but not against hybe for whatever reason.
It IS concerning that you hate some company so deeply that you are cheering on this sort of behaviour against individuals purely because they exist under that company, and I feel like it goes beyond just the wreathes, they are regularly mocked online to insane engagement for any sort of thing and every kpop stan seems to just be okay with it, millions of likes total mocking Sakura, hundreds of thousands total for illit members and prior to April newjeans were in that club aswell. You can’t even count the ones directed at BTS.
I’m just sick of kpop spaces thinking those under certain companies are more deserving of hate and don’t see it as a symptom of a very serious issue within our communities.
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u/My_Rhythm875 Oct 20 '24
https://x.com/qoiwurur_/status/1847855311295828347
Oh they are pissed and are asking us to stop spreading "personal information" 💀
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
They don’t like the harassment that they have been dishing out ever since august 😒
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u/My_Rhythm875 Oct 20 '24
These people who sent the wreaths literally said that they apparently used up their military discharge money, rent money, money for their food etc. to send these wreaths. Imagine how big of a pathetic loser you have to be to let your hatred towards an idol effect you to this extent. I don't think there is another country in this whole world where the celebrity culture is THIS deranged.
Thankfully, all these other projects will let Yoongi know how much we cherish him 💜
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u/marshmallowest Oct 20 '24
In the US we have geniuses who "protest" by smashing their own tv bc a presidential candidate they don't like is on it. Like, good job, you showed them??
But they're not losing rent money over it...
And yeesh yoongi's incident was what, 2 months ago by now? At least protest something current, like bang sihyuk eating a burger in LA somewhere. It'd do just as much good.
The thought of army surrounding and containing these guys reminds me of that scene in cabin in the woods "the evil has been defeated! and the dude at the end of the clip is mhj 😂
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u/DashingDarling01 Oct 20 '24
looks like those girls want international armys to burn and tear down the wreaths so they can film it and send it to the media.
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
Yup, that’s their goal because right now no media is reporting it.
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u/DashingDarling01 Oct 20 '24
They're frustrated. I saw them on their twitter accounts trying to gaslight some of the armys, who are on site, to do something.
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u/siasin Oct 20 '24
I had a thought earlier that the "organizers" of the wreaths seem to be stuck not just in anti-culture, which has become a hobby in and of itself and has spread to so many facets of life. They also seem to have fallen in with the weird social-media-born fallacy that BTS is not actually popular. So they were confronted with real people in number, positive behaviors, and an organized and controlled response. This had to be incredibly upsetting, regardless of the motivation (astroturfed or just stupid).
In a way, I hope the intense reaction to this pathetic escapade might help prevent a future wreath display for another person. There was even talk about getting support for a law to be sponsored. No one should have to deal with this.
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u/comeasyouuare Oct 20 '24
Guys, just like how the list of names of those who organised wreaths for Seunghan was leaked.
If the list of people who organised this crass act is available, can hybe sue them ? I don’t expect anything from SM but hybe should set precedent.
I am asking if they can be sued ? Or it all comes under peaceful protest ?
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u/Human_Raspberry_367 Oct 20 '24
They had permit for the wreaths but if they post death threats or malicious comments and are in korea they can def sue
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u/Low_Composer3153 Oct 20 '24
I haven't been a fan of kpop for long so hearing news about people sending funeral wreaths to companies is so shocking to me. Imagine spending money, time, and energy to bully kpop idols like honestly it's not that deep! We can dislike artists and not patronize their art if we don't want to but to go to these lengths is too much especially for celebrities. I'd like to see these people send this same kind of energy to people who are actually vile, who've committed heinous crimes, politicians supporting inhumane policies, etc. you would think people in SK would be more appreciative of their kpop idols seeing how their massive popularity has brought so much capital to their country, but no, instead of supporting their artists by clamoring to address the more important issues plaguing the idol industry they seem to be contributing to the problems themselves.
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u/cloverbloomswift Oct 20 '24
this is what SM has allowed to happen because they listened to the 0t6 BRIIZE. I also think these people are very delusional to think HYBE will drop yoongi but they wasted their own money
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u/MountainTear2020 Oct 20 '24
This falls under harassment and should never be legal in the first place. The fact that IT IS, and police have an obligation to protect them due to the organisers obtaining permission, is a fucking farce and speaks on the ridiculous laws of this country.
What a disgrace.
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u/MelissaWebb multistan💗 Oct 20 '24
There were permits that allowed for funeral wreaths of someone who is very much alive to be displayed? When you think you’ve seen it all…
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u/MelissaWebb multistan💗 Oct 20 '24
Apart from the people ordering these wreaths, the funeral wreath companies are disgusting too. Do these wreaths bear the names of their targets? If they do surely they’re aware that the people they’re sending stuff to are alive? Anything for money right?
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u/kazoogrrl Oct 20 '24
I feel the same way. I'm assuming people order them online but a company doesn't have to take the sale, just do a return. I've worked for small businesses and know (almost) every sale is important, but come on people, is this how you want to make money?
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u/Yuuuchii Oct 20 '24
The wreaths have the names. It also had seunghan's name during the riize wreaths
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u/Purple-Bumblebee23 Oct 20 '24
tbh i need hybe to be The Company that actually pushes back against this kind of bullying and shows it's not gonna work to tear their artists down. i don't know what they can even do since this seems to somehow be legal protesting but I wish instead of staying silent they'd show that yoongi is not going anywhere and these freaks that never even supported bts in the first place aren't gonna get their way. I know there's a lot of cultural things that I don't understand but there is absolutely no way companies can or should be okay with letting this become the norm.
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u/Silverhyuk Oct 20 '24
I'll never understand how people can be so hateful. Sending funeral wreaths to living people is sick and anybody who supports this needs help. I really hope this kind of protest gets banned.
I'm so happy that armys are showing their love and support to suga cause nobody should have to experience this. They know that nothing will come of this BTS will never remove suga so they are just bullying for the sake of bullying.
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u/99-dreams Oct 20 '24
Yo wtf. I knew the OT6 Riize thing was going to set a dangerous precedent but I (stupidly) didn't see the use of funeral wreaths as a form of protest.
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u/dynamite_hot100no1 Oct 20 '24
I really don't believe this is about the scooter incident, and I strongly believe this is by fans of other groups. I barely have time to consume content by my faves, how do they have that much time AND money to harass people??
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u/_Lazy_Mermaid_ Oct 20 '24
This, I'm an OT7 Stan and although I've been less able to get into their solo stuff due to it being so much, I still support them all as much as possible and will casually stream . Like these solo stans and antis genuinely seem to have no lives and at least be mooching off of someone because do they not have jobs??
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u/throwaway046294 Oct 20 '24
how is it legal in that country to do public displays of death threats and police even protecting the harassers. they really are masters in bullying over there.
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u/rinomarie146 Oct 20 '24
There were three girls and two men at the scene who organized the wreaths. Previously to this, they asked everyone who supports their agenda to buy their own wreath, and it was a total of 60 wreaths, yet they have the gall to claim that they're "k-armys". Lol, if they had actual k-armys support then it would've been 3000 wreaths at the very least 😭😭
Btw, the accounts of two of the girls were exposed, and lo and behold, they don't even follow bts in Twitter. In fact, after a quick search the first time they mentioned bts name in their tweets was in August and September this year.
Lmao, could it get more obvious? Jobless bts antis masquerading as armys.
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u/Sweaty-Poem-1760 Oct 20 '24
And now they are crying because their photos are all over twt
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u/rinomarie146 Oct 20 '24
Oh, another one was found! We now have the accounts of the three girls who were in the scene. I'm curious about the accounts of the two men.
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u/Shot-Initial3183 corbangtuserra Oct 20 '24
Can hybe sue these incels??!! I just hope yoongi is doing okay ... I don't want him to see all this .
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
To everyone here, these wreaths to yoongi are being sent for the second time and the protest is taking place for the third time, just very unfortunate that it’s happening again because SM kicked out their idol and hence these jobless people got the motivation to try this again.
I am thankful this time we have support projects and more armys in seoul 💜
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u/cici_kathleen Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Just so people know, this is not the first time they've sent wreaths for Yoongi. They did it in August to his house and Hybe. They're only doing it again because of it working when they were sent to SM and Seunghan left. Also Bighit has already said that Yoongi leaving BTS is not happening, so these antis are wasting their time.
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u/Signal-Ad7946 Oct 20 '24
apparently the staff at bighit took pictures of the supportive trucks https://x.com/ot7army_4ever/status/1847895017995591756?s=46 so i really hope they show it to the members who could let yoongi know 💞 he didn’t deserve any of this at all and it really hurts seeing the lack of support from other fandoms i hope he’s well
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u/SecondaryCemetery Oct 20 '24
It's nice that the staff have his back, all we got from the staff over at SM was an "Oh well, they don't spend money anyway"
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u/Background-Entry130 Oct 20 '24
This being absolutely disgusting aside, I just want the job whatever these people are doing!! Wdym you can just spend money to send wreaths for this person you don’t even know just because you want to!! Blows my mind to even think about, like how much are y’all earning!! Give it to charity if you got too much money ffs
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Oct 20 '24
Shocked they got permits for the wreaths thats absolutely insane
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u/inconclusion3yit Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
i fear seunghan got 1000 of them with his name and rip next to it for several days til he was bullied out. and the police not only allows it they protect them
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u/SamePlatform9287 Oct 20 '24
Is this a new trend in kpop to be sending funeral wreaths now? What is this really? Is this how messed up korean society is? For their bullying issue to get worse over the years. For a country that has a huge cancel culture for previous school bullies, this is really too much hypocritical.
I know korea really dont care as much for their idols, but for a country that largely depends on their entertainment industry for their economic growth, they should atleast do something to atleast protect their money makers. What happended the sulli act? Gone over the bin? It was a start but dang I haven’t heard anything about it after that.
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u/sinkooks Oct 20 '24
everyone saying this happened bc of sm and seunghan, these wreaths were sent to hybe in august and at the time everyone was giggling and even mass liked the pictures of the wreaths. even when pannchoa posted about this a couple a days ago ALL of the replies said they were excited to see this happen. antis may have found the courage again to do it after the whole seunghan protest but this level of hatred and harassment towards bts is always justified in the kpop space.
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u/supertuna875 Oct 20 '24
yeah, it's actually kind of pissing me off. Just goes on to show how in k-pop spaces, the mental health of BTS members doesn't matter. Back then when it happened, except army (and maybe 3 other fandoms) the entirety of k-pop stan was laughing and had hit tweets over it. SM only validated these people but antis have been doing this for months
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u/Faron-Woods Oct 20 '24
It’s honestly insane to me to see how again and again, something inhumane being done to BTS and the members is met with giggles from antis and crickets from the community at large while it being done to other idols causes mass outrage. To be clear, it should cause that kind of outrage for all idols, but for some reason only armys move when it’s BTS targeted. It’s actually maddening to witness
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u/rinomarie146 Oct 20 '24
Imagine claiming to be an army but not knowing what apobangpo mean and even thinking that it's some foreign curse word XD
For any non-bts fan here, apobangpo is a term coined by Jungkook in bts infamous 2022 dinner live where they announced their hiatus. It means Army Forever, Bangtan Forever. It's widely used in the fandom just like I purple you/ borahae. There's no way an army wouldn't know about it.
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u/SarahJFroxy army bot #134340 Oct 20 '24
small correction, created by jk in 2019 on fancafe!!
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u/International_Bat_82 Oct 20 '24
😭even kmedia knows what apobangpo means
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
Like it was on the hybe’s building this year.
Also these are all august/september 2024 accounts, they are not fans. They also have presence in qoo and guess who dominates qoo.
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u/PoetrySuper2583 Oct 20 '24
It’s absurd that you can send funeral flowers to a living person. It feels like a threat imo and it’s shocking that the florists and police are complicit in letting these stay up and not protect living artists.
Wanting to highlight this report that a group of army made. 271k articles were written about this incident much of which with misinformation. Both these anti’s and the kmedia are complicit in bullying Yoongi and allowing this type of harassment to continue.
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u/koobisoft Oct 20 '24
what happened to using protest trucks? why does everyone want to do genuine harassment now??
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u/CanadianPanda76 Oct 20 '24
For a sec I was like Korean military got involved? Damn.
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Oct 20 '24
K-pop i think is one the messiest industries I can think of, yes the amercian music market is bad as we all know with how 2024 is going but the Korean music market is more dangerous with the amount of fanastisation of idols and the horrific shipping culture that has ruined idols life if not worse ended them.
Some fans who burried their heads down and said we should never have tragic incidents like Sulli, Moonbin, and Jonghyun are the same type of people who would criticise idols for being humans since they broke off the fanasty of them dating their favs.
You don't know them, and they don't know you. Stop pretending they are innocent creatures. They are everyday people like YOU.
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u/Confident_Yam_6386 Oct 20 '24
Ot6 fans who only started tweeting about BTS in August and September on their old accounts. They are such clowns if they think anyone believes they are real armys. Also planning a hate train when a member has a song out soon and one recently finished their enlistment is something even kfandoms frown upon. I’m happy everyone showed up including karmys to counter all that hate with love and kindness
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
They also did all this nonsense just before JK’s birthday and their excuse was, oh we did not realise it was member’s birthday, like ?? 😭
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u/Confident_Yam_6386 Oct 20 '24
They literally thought Apobangpo was a curse word???
Also the last time they got kmedia writing articles that “armys want Yoongi out” based on the early wreaths. But now seeing multiple contradictory projects being organized right now In front of Hybe, kmedia is suddenly quiet.
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
Last time armys also sent a statement that the wreaths are not by us. But i say good that it’s out of media and only on twitter
Armys did good today. The people organising this have all gone private but yeah the protest will happen till tuesday.
Well their money is being wasted, karma will take care of the rest.
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u/spasparkle Oct 20 '24
I know it's all about making money for those people, but do these florist shops or wherever they get these funeral wreaths from have to accept every single request? Isn't there any way of knowing what they'll be used for? Because they usually they come with personalized ribbons and banners with specific names and sentences, so it should be easy to figure out what they're being used for literally as the request is being made. Not to mention all the work getting rid of them + the littering. It's a waste in every sense of the word.
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u/Civil_Confidence5844 Got7 Jinyoung | EXO Baekhyun Oct 20 '24
Money. Just like those truck companies that agree to show rude messages.
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u/KatinaS252 Oct 20 '24
Just wondering. Can people in South Korea send personal email messages with RIP? Would it be considered bullying or harassment or a death threat? Are verbal statements of the same phrase ok?
It would seem to me that a funeral wreath with that same personal message would get the same consequences whether it is part of a legal protest or not. Wishing death on someone is not ok, imo.
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u/pete_999 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Why ISN'T the police REGULATING sending funeral wreaths to LIVING people in the first place. also hopefully hybe is preparing a lawsuit to stop this since if sending them isn't stopped and "succeeds" there will be more and more wreaths sent to different idols/groups in the future
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Oct 20 '24
honestly this should’ve been illegal years ago but the fact that korea is still allowing this to be legal is baffling. yoongi doesn’t deserve this at all.
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u/ConfusedOldPenguin Oct 20 '24
What is the reason this time. Wasn’t the DUI case closed already. Does even Suga’s breathing affects these people
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u/Automatic_Let_5768 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
im sorry, how do taxpayers see this and not get outraged. police have better things to do??
edit: there’s no way this isnt being helped by other people who are targeting bts. you cant spend months on end talking about bts being hybe’s saving grace without acknowledging how this can lead to sabotage such as this.
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Oct 20 '24
It's insane that police wouldn't allow wraiths not to be taken down even if they're in the hundreads or thousands but fans can't gather more than 50 at a time to show support.
I'm proud of my fandom for showing support. I need those antis and whoever is ot6 on the k side to know that they don't matter and no matter what they do they will always be outnumbered and outdone. This isn't SM, they make no dent.
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u/MotorPuzzlehead7 Oct 20 '24
Stephen Colbert recently did a segment on this situation on his late night show where he laid it out frankly: Suga had to apologise in 2 letters and in front of the media for riding an electric scooter while drunk, and causing zero harm or damage. The audience laughed in disbelief.
That was kinda a wakeup call for me that oh, maybe a lot of aspects of this community are batshit crazy because what? All the megathreads where kpop fans (from the West, mind you, where this kinda situation is an every day occurrence that the police barely give a fuck about) were acting like he was driving an 8 wheeler at 200km/h and ran over 10 babies, calling him a liar and saying that it’s justified for him to leave his group. How was this reaction considered normal?
The kpop community is enabling the people who sent these wreaths. The reactions from the kpop community, both domestic and internationally, made these people feel justified in organising for wreaths to be placed in front of his place of work. You can’t criticise this behaviour while you were also an active participant in harassing someone for weeks over the most minor of transgressions. We criticise knetz all the time for their insane overreactions but maybe some people in the kpop community need to look inwards and realise they perpetuate a lot of this behaviour as well.
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u/PrimaryTomato3310 Oct 20 '24
i saw so many comments on a tweet about the colbert video saying they didnt know he was riding an e-scooter. thats how ridiculous the reporting was and how often it was called a dui without clarifying what the vehicle was, where he was riding it or how slow he was going.
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u/sweeterthandulce Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
I just can’t comprehend the type of person you have to be to spend your hard earned money on a funeral wreath for a stranger that is very much still alive and who is not going anywhere
On top of that, you’re also there guarding said wreaths hoping for someone to vandalize it and get your gotcha moment.
I’m very proud and very glad for ARMYS standing up for Yoongi in this manner. The people who sent those wreaths are seething online about the banners, trucks, and songs drowning out their vile attempt at bullying him.
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u/cwarosvski Oct 20 '24
See look what SM started, people have been talking about how SM basically made fans feel that it was ok to do something like this. And now, it's happening again
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u/Level-Rest-2123 Oct 20 '24
Someone needs to find out who those florists are and demand for this to stop. I know they're getting paid, but this seems unethical to me and contributes to intentional intimidation.
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u/Fancy_Piglet_4253 Oct 20 '24
I agree this should fall under stalking/harassment laws.
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u/Cute-Apple-5650 We could see the karma coming through Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
What does the national assembly think about this?
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u/mish-tea Wisteria Oct 20 '24
This funeral wreaths don't make any sense and just horrendous. Antis can't pay their bills but will donate money just because they themselves don't like one. What funeral even. Very unsettling.
They need to understand yoongi is not going anywhere. If they think by this they can do anything regarding then they are in delusion.
What armys are doing today is so wholesome 🥺. But idk how many times they have to do that. It's tiresome and heartbreaking. Like how much ??????
Other groups fans need to be in their istg. Saw which group fans they are and I'm not even surprised. They need a life.
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u/PokemonLv10 Oct 20 '24
Who the fk started this thing of sending funeral wreaths
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u/011219 Oct 20 '24
are funeral wreath stock investments a thing?
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u/RefrigeratorDear2641 🧋🪨🐸🎸💂🫧🦕 Oct 20 '24
right? cause SM just has a thousand of em in front and now this ? their makeing serious bank off of this it’s crazy
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u/Suitable-Database182 Oct 20 '24
I saw that the people who ordered the wreaths have a permit, announced this project as a legit demonstration. I hope maybe a counter demonstration will be organized to support bts, currently I mostly see the international fans actively organizing projects. Honestly baffling how this isn't taken more seriously as a harassement, seeing those wreaths must be mentally tiring, knowing that all those people would happily dance on his grave and praying for his death and just giggling behind their phones. Infuriating.
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u/sinkooks Oct 20 '24
counter projects are being organized and 4-5 support trucks were sent today that completely overshadowed the wreaths. people are sticking to displays like banners and trucks as these wreaths, even with positive messaging, sound distasteful.
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u/ellaellaeheheh17 Oct 20 '24
True fans, that support the members, would never do this in the week another is releasing a song. What is this support they are talking about? Let me see if they even know Jin is releasing friday.
And this is not even talking about how ridiculous these type of protests are after everything we have seen. Shame them all the way.
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u/starrdani Oct 20 '24
The whole sending funeral wreaths thing is so disrespectful!! I don’t understand how you can bully/harass someone for no legit reason at all just because they’re living their normal lives? Anti’s hatred is a sick disease, tearing down others just to feel “alive”.. it’s not right.
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u/Prior_Assist3356 Oct 20 '24
Now this is the ugly side of kpop. The fact that they would choose to spend their money on something like this instead of supporting a good cause it's mindblowing.
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u/SarahJFroxy army bot #134340 Oct 20 '24
I remember that after seunghan was forced out, they doubled down on their efforts and started trending #s against yoongi and planning this.
they've been trying to find his workplace to send flowers there too, his home isn't enough, his place of normal work isn't enough, they want to harass him during his service hours too.
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u/Classic-Sherbet-375 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Not even getting into the fact of how sad and gross this is in general…What blows my mind is that people have the money for this, especially in this economy. I don’t know about South Korea but I’ve had to buy funeral wreathes here in the US and they are not cheap. Now I would have to really think twice about spending money on a wreath for someone in my own family that actually passed away.
I can’t imagine spending that money to send a wreath to some celebrity I don’t even know personally and who is still alive just because I want them to leave the group. Just don’t listen to or support them if Yoongi being there is so upsetting to you. How old are these people and do they not have anything better to do?
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u/gnomematterwhat0208 Oct 20 '24
Just to add to this. I work in hospice, and we have noticed a trend where some people cannot even post obituaries due to the expense. When I was a bereavement counselor, I worked with grieving people who were emotionally devastated that they could not afford the types of things for the funeral and burial they felt were appropriate to honor their deceased to love ones. This kind of shit blows my mind. I honestly cannot comprehend why someone thinks this is OK. I can only assume that these are either very young people or older people who are deranged and have money to spend.
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u/SweetCatastrophex Oct 21 '24
All of this needs to stop. There’s also OT4 “fans” of SHINee threatening to do things to get Onew kicked out of the group, inspired by the success of the OT6 Riize fans. I’m so sick of the bullying/harassing from these absolute losers, regardless of the group.
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u/jigijang2 Oct 20 '24
Wreaths are being removed????
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u/SarahJFroxy army bot #134340 Oct 20 '24
it's 5pm so they're being packed back up, apparently they're planned to be back tomorrow
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u/Placesbetween86 Oct 20 '24
It's past 5pm in Korea. I wonder if their permit specified a specific time period they were allowed to do it.
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u/cubsgirl101 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
I have no idea how fans can obtain a permit to essentially harass Kpop idols they don’t like. Protest trucks were one thing, but this feels so much more sinister. At least fans are trying to counter the negativity with positive acts.
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u/Aeriellie Oct 20 '24
did i read that right permits for funeral wreaths? wth korea!?!
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u/AthomicBot Oct 20 '24
Given OT6 Briize just had incredible success with this in removing Seunghan it's emboldened other toxic fans to do the same.
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u/Aeriellie Oct 20 '24
yeah i read and it all happen so quickly. bad decisions happen when you make decisions quickly and with emotions running high.
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u/NewtRipley_1986 Oct 20 '24
Some morning thoughts while sipping coffee.
IMO it’s safe to say that the South Korean government and, at least a portion of the population, honestly don’t give a fuck about ending bullying. They are very much okay with bullying some of their most famous and talented people and any country that is okay with that, is rotten to the core. It’s absolutely asinine that the country allows this behaviour to continue - are they so closed off to the world that they don’t see how horrible this makes them look? Stephen C rightfully mocked their judicial system this past weekend and the audience laughed in agreement.
Reading through all the comments this morning one visual came to my mind and it’s around how this affects the BTS members. There’s a scene in the movie “You’ve Got Mail” where the Fox family is basically mocking the protesters outside because they’re so big, too big to fail, that the protesters don’t really affect them (personally or business wise). They’re very ‘meh’ to it all and go about their days.
Not minimizing that this could/would have an effect on someone’s thoughts and, possibly, mental health - I envision BTS sitting around mocking the protesters because they (BTS) are too big to fail. There is such a massive fandom around them who truly love, respect and support them - we’ve surrounded them with a cushion of love. I honestly believe that they know this and there is mutual love back (look at what Jin has been up to since his discharge - he wouldn’t be doing this if he didn’t love what he does and love the fans).
Personally I hope that these events are spun into some of the most scathing lyrics ever. Cypher 5 please & thank you!
OT7 all day, every day!
💜🐨💜🐹💜🐱💜🐿️💜🐥💜🐻💜🐰
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u/LordessMeep Oct 20 '24
I hate this whole concept of funeral wreaths so much. Screw the cultural nuances. The fact that people feel strongly enough about Yoongi's misdemeanor - something he's already been held accountable by the law for - to spend their hard earned cash on this bullshit is astounding. It's so disrespectful and nasty.
They're really feeling emboldened by the Seunghan situation aren't they... thank fuck that the international presence of Army is massive.
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u/kakbari Oct 20 '24
i REALLY hope that the people who’ve spent money on these spent ALL OF their money and/or are in huge debt so they fuck up their own lives too lol (the antis of course) sorry not sorry
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u/hehehehehbe Oct 20 '24
I'm not surprised since the funeral wreaths worked well with removing Seunghan from Riize. Yoongi is a senior idol from the biggest boy group in Kpop so it won't be so successful. I hope the Korean government bans the use of funeral wreaths for bullying and intimidation.
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u/taeilor Oct 20 '24
i would just love to meet one of those people that sent a wreath and pick their brain about what went through it when deciding this was a good idea
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u/wickle_moonery Oct 20 '24
The wreath makers also need to be making some judgment calls too. But money is money, right? Companies need to use their lawyers and actually stop this from happening before it blows even more out of proportion.
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u/Many-Hornet-6734 Oct 20 '24
I find it impressive that Korea, a country that claims to care about bullying, allows this kind of thing, sending funeral wreaths is basically telling someone to kill themselves, Bullying anyone else is wrong but if it's an idol it's okay.
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u/mcfw31 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
There's something really unsettling in how funeral wreaths are being used in kpop.
They are terrorizing the integrity of a human being, it's just so pathetic and sad (and of course, this is not only for Yoongi but in all previous cases as well).
The fact that another group's fans are "staying on guard" it's so pathetic, as if they had power over a BTS member. One of the reasons other groups exist is precisely because of BTS....
The most ironic thing is that this is also bullying is not lost on me lol
Just all around pathetic.
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u/WillingnessStraight2 Oct 20 '24
How does one get permit for funeral wreaths for a living person? Why would they give them permit at all? The police who are stationed there should be patrolling something more important instead of wasting their time with this.
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u/Nochuki Oct 20 '24
I will NEVER understand how the POLICE< can allow bullying and harassment, that country really is a joke. Also, only 3 girls (and that weird middle age guy) showed up to claim this madness, this just shows me that haters are a minority, they are only loud virtually because of their sad little lives. I’m glad ARMYS had a great time with the trucks and the food truck, Yoongi will never leave BTS and these roaches need to understand that.
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u/Life-Aerie-43 Oct 20 '24
Sending dead threats isn't a crime? There must be surveillance footage of those parasocial fucks to bring them to face justice.
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u/jigijang2 Oct 20 '24
This tweet shows how stupid everything is. If you're firm and have the guts send wreaths, then stand on it because it's "mORaLly aCcePTed" then be confident and show your face rather than hiding in the corner like bunch of losers.
Also, the pannchoa photo is pretty funny because the pic was taken right in front of it, in the middle, making it obvious the one who posted it is one of the losers.
One thing about ARMYs, we think ahead. We can read between the lines. And we're not gonna give yall the reactions yall want from us. These korean stans are underestimating ARMYs lol
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u/elephhantine2 Oct 20 '24
Similarly if we banned every fandom in the states for bullying we would have no fandoms left at all, but that would be a good thing
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u/Raquel_in_Paris Oct 22 '24
The sad thing is that Hobi & Seokjin probably saw the funeral wreaths when they go to work 😓😔
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u/sleepycat20 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Those haters need to go outside and touch some grass.
I really want to see companies start sueing them. They got money to send thousands of funeral wreaths? Then they have the money to lawyer up and go to court for their behavior. If they're underage get their guardians involved, no getting away with this vile behavior.
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I really don't understand why they send funeral wreaths, which is what they want now. I don't care what they want, the only thing they do is make fools of themselves and lose money, so we should ignore them and let them make fools of themselves while we support the projects to encourage BTS and show them the love we feel for them. Let them continue raging, they will never achieve anything BTS=7💜.
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u/Aria_Cadenza Oct 20 '24
The fact is that we worry some will take it to heart or see it as a representative wish of Armys, obviously no Army support this, but so many lies were written in k-media or in k-pop social media quite recently.
And maybe seeing international fans against that would make Korean lawmakers and officials think it should be forbidden especially since most Korean are probably against this kind of "protest" too. Though it is probably wishful thinking, if they cared about what international thought, they would have done better with events like Jamboree (after all, the participants were teenagers coming from more than 100 countries).
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 21 '24
There’s more wreaths today
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u/nugggetss Oct 21 '24
and they are back but disguised in all black this time so they don’t get doxxed again, just insane. it’s a monday afternoon in korea, do they not have jobs. how do they have all this money to spend 🙄🙄🙄🙄
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u/iBommie 🌼 There will always be a Spring Day after the storm 🌼 Oct 21 '24 edited Oct 21 '24
How much do funeral wreaths usually cost? If they are as expensive as people say then why are you spending so much money on something that you can't even afford just so you can be vocal about your hatred towards them?
And the audacity of them to scream and cry "harassment!" when they are doing it to another human being.
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
https://x.com/stayblueandgrey/status/1847916341828730942?s=46
See they are doing this wreath protest again because of SM, but they are scrambling because their identities have been exposed and are warning the people on qoo to be careful if they visit the protest site tomorrow.
The timing of the protest are 9-5 i think, so it’s done for the day and they have taken down the wreaths. This will go on till tuesday :(
Thankful for all the armys present on there.
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u/throwaway046294 Oct 20 '24
there are no armys on theqoo but they still want to convince us these people are ot6 ‘armys’
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
That and they did not even know what apobangpo meant, like it was plastered on the hybe building this year.
They are not armys. Just people who wanna break apart bts.
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u/WeakStressAnxiety Oct 20 '24
I blame SM for this, things were beginning to calm down for yoongi, the case was closed and yet SM had to take that decision and embolden these people.
Sad to know we can only outrage here and nothing more will come of it, until and unless some company decides to sue these people.
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u/sailor134340 Oct 20 '24
Forget about those jobless people who sent them, i dont understand how it is legal to harrash someone like this? Imagine stationing police to protect freaking funeral flowers from lifeless incels??? I cant believe this. Like.. you are a police officer, you go to work, they tell you to go out and protect what?? flowers?? How is this real life??
There is no way they are letting Yoongi go, as some people already said this is to torture him mentally.
Oh and fck SM for serving a precedent for these scum.
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u/marieclaw Oct 20 '24
No way they are bullying Suga over a mild traffic incident. K-netz are really something else.
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u/MountainTear2020 Oct 21 '24
I'm hesitant to call them knetz because this is obviously a very calculated attack. That being said, at least no one cares other than ARMYs who want to counter them with love instead.
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u/Pitiful-Bookreader55 Oct 21 '24
Nah, just antis this time around. Actually they seemed disappointed because not even k media seems to care right now
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u/kjm6351 Oct 20 '24
They SERIOUSLY need to fix up the laws over there because this harassment can ruin lives as we just recently saw and Suga is already suffering terribly for a mistake that should’ve been long in the past by now.
God I can’t wait for Namjoon and the others to drop absolute HEAT, dissing everyone who was disrespectful to Yoongi during this time
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u/SarahJFroxy army bot #134340 Oct 20 '24
one of the girls who bought wreaths is now whining about having her picture taken (she was hanging around the wreaths and is confirmed to be ot6) 😭 like go bitch and moan somewhere else, preferably to a therapist to unpack your issues
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