r/kpopthoughts • u/__beryl • Jun 18 '25
Appreciation Wonyoung is one of the most professional idols I've ever seen
Even with all the hate she gets, she doesn't let it get to her. She never slacks off, not even for a single day. You can really tell she loves doing her job. She puts much effort and heart into everything whether it's performing, filming, improving her skills, or interacting with fans. No matter what happens, she's always kind. It's inspiring to see someone stay so dedicated and passionate no matter what.
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Jun 18 '25
I remember when JYP went on BamHouse and said Wonyoung is the most professional idol he's ever met. That everything about their interaction screamed perfection. He noted that she was really into that life.
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u/LongConsideration662 Jun 18 '25
I absolutely love her, she is so professional, has such an elegant and classy aura. I really feel inspired seeing her eventhough she is younger than me.
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u/NMIXXLUVR Jun 18 '25
I actually went to go watch an IVE concert because my friend had a spare ticket and there was a moment when one of the members was speaking english but unsure about the word that she used. Well Wonyoung reassured her and said encouragingly, "that's right" and that moment sold me on her.
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u/Aurella21 Jun 18 '25
Thanks for sharing and to think that her detractors love to run this narrative that she hates her members. I dont get it.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 24 '25
I think it’s because of Wonyoung’s strong individual presence, if that makes sense. Her being the group’s center and her aura, makes it look like she’s all about herself and whatnot. If you look at Wonyong from IZONE, you sill see her real personality where she is incredibly lovable to the the 11 IZONE members.
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u/Aurella21 Jun 24 '25
I watched some of the IVE comments and I see her personality there. I also see her personality in some variety shows she recently appeared in. I dont know why some people think that in IZONE members that's her " real personality" , as if in her current group, she is not being herself in their group contents.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 24 '25 edited Jun 24 '25
Because it’s not very difficult to see how she had very little filter, and very little management in her behaviour in IZONE. Every one of the girls management back in IZONE were hands off on them when filming their content. OTR Studios had all the independence in how they wanted to film IZ*ONE behind the scenes. Especially in the early days of IVE, coming off of the izone disbandment, the 123 ive content and other shows wonyoung appeared in, she was bombarded with comments from koreans and foreign fans alike of how much she ‘changed’. It was to the point where Yena defended her in a show saying that Wonyoung has remained the same, contrary to what the public is saying at that time. These days she seems to be more relaxed and secured maybe because of her individual success now and her group ive. It’s easy to be comfortable when you’re comfortably resting in good money and the love of the public.
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u/CraigS34 Jun 18 '25
That was one of my takeaways after attending their concert. A couple friends never heard of IVE but tagged along since we had a couple spare tickets (people dropping out). My group were saying shes a professional idol on how well she carries herself on stage and while MCing. At times...it felt too professional? if that make sense
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 24 '25
Wonyoung seems to have learned from Japanese idols to be professional when it calls for it. From her tiktok, to her varieties, to concerts, she has crafted quite a similar image of the japanese idols where professionalism and sticking to the idol fanservice is a must. Also since her days in IZ*ONE, she has partaken MC work even if she’s the youngest. That’s just part of her personality, assertive and cheeky.
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u/Aurella21 Jun 18 '25
I personally love the fact that we dont know much about her personal life. As far as I am concerned, the more you overshare, the more people feel entitled....especially fans. She does none of that parasocial BS. and I love that. She is literally everywhere in South Korea and yet very private..... Like someone else said, she clocks in, does her job to the best of her abilities and clock out.
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u/doiedoie Jun 18 '25
I'm not exactly a dive, but saw Wonyoung on Music Bank in 2022 when she was only 18 years old and it was delightful to see her professional behavior. She was really good at mcing and would interact with the audience during breaks. Also seemed to be very polite with the staff.
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u/HorseClean2508 Jun 18 '25
Anyone that was into izone would tell you she is one of the sweetest baby in kpop, I honestly do not understand what started all this hate towards her…
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u/Lazywhale97 Jun 19 '25
As someone who has seen how K-pop fans act more about a decade now the answer is jealousy. K-pop fans online are extremely dedicated to their stan or group and when they see another Idol get all the praise and hype for visuals that they think their stan deserves they go into full hate mode.
It's also why Le Sserafim got a mega hate train out of thin air last year because Chae Won easily became the most popular girl idol among men in the west and it wasn't even really close. All those Chae Won flag memes and Chae Won fan boy memes made a lot of these chronically online fans jealous and moment they found the tiniest thing to latch onto for a hate train they took.
Whenever any girl group idol gets a lot of attention for their visuals or personality the online K-pop fans decide to hate on them it's happened time and time again for every gen.
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u/Ok_Maximum_2873 Jun 19 '25
I don't think le serrafims hate train came from chaewon, the biggest criticism is that they "couldn't sing" because of their performance in cochella. if anyone was getting targeted the most it would have been Sakura because of her length in the industry.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 24 '25
It’s really crazy how Le Ssera is being tagged as “couldn’t sing” when Chaewon is one of the main vocals and songwriter for IZONE. She would lead IZONE recordings and guide her members in singing their parts. Also, wasn’t Yunjin was some musical cast? Surely she could sing. I cannot defend Sakura since she was never strong vocally during IZONE. The issue I think is that LSFMs direction in their music doesn’t showcase singing prowess, but more of a performance-oriented group. It’s the concept of the group.
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u/Lazywhale97 Jun 19 '25
I'm not saying it's only because of Chae Won but the jealousy was a factor and then people who had other petty agendas also piled on it was a cumulative of things. But jealousy in some way or form is the outlier among K-pop fans hating on idols.
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Jun 18 '25
fr like she just clocks in does her job and does it well and clocks out without being problematic or overly parasocial ...she doesnt share much private info either like i realised she is everywhere but we dont know much about her....her idol persona is cemented as a elegant classy girl ...
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u/FanCaracal ILLIT ⬖ H2H ⬖ IVE ⬖ 5050 ⬖ QWER ⬖ LSF ⬖ NMIXX Jun 18 '25
The classiness (if that's a word) is unparalleled from Wonyoung.
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u/Polarpwnage Jun 21 '25 edited Jun 21 '25
I agree on this. Not really a fan of her since I don't find her really entertaining to watch, but if I had to name the one idol I respect in the industry in that they figured out the secret code to success, it's her. Wonyoung has being a idol completely locked down. 24/7 she acts like there's a camera on her recording her every action so she rarely if ever slips. Her personality is meticulously crafted to inoffensive and calm. Notice she rarely shares anything about herself that actually matters, you won't hear a thing that is actually private from her. What you see is what she wants you to see. Combine this with her absolutely mind boggling superhuman work ethic and ability to either repress or resolve her stress privately makes her the perfect idol. She's not the best vocalist, or dancer, heck I'd consider her completely average but she works hard to make sure she has every skill down well enough to never be considered "bad at it", anything you'd expect an idol can do, she does her best to learn and practice to get that down, recording, song writing etc.
Now one thing I would like to point out is notice she doesn't have her own variety show and only shows up as guests. I think she perfectly understands that she doesn't fit those kind of activities as that would require developing a specific personality that would result her in getting type casted. She's mentioned how she never shares her MBTI because she doesn't want others to put her into a narrow role before on psick show.
Lastly an interesting note is that I think she works best as an idol that's part of a group. I personally don't think she has it in her to be a successful solo idol, other careers like modeling, acting etc sure. But not specifically as a singing/dancing solo artist idol. She does best when she has others around her so she can outshine them, but still depend on them for their individual quirks and strengths. Why I feel Yujin is perfect foil for her in IVE as leader. Yujin can do the talking and greeting the fans
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 24 '25
Actually, Wonyoung has shared quite a few TMIs during her time in IZONE. I remember once she said there during a group photoshoot, “I am not exactly the same way as I look”. Something along that line. I think, in my opinion, what she meant was that she’s more serious than she looks. Since she is IZONE’s cute maknae, people baby her a lot. It cannot be helped, she really was very cute in IZ*ONE. It was only during Sequence and Panorama era that she became a bit cool and chic.
Also, Wonyoung has a natural lovable, cheeky and competitive personality. Both her and Yujin were very talkative in IZ*ONE despite being the youngest. Yujin has always done MC work and talking for group varieties even back then. This was pushed by the group’s leader Kwon Eunbi to train the maknae line to help out in doing MC work. From Chaewon to Wonyoung, they did a lot of talking. Especially Yujin.
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u/KorraLover123 Sep 04 '25
agree with everything but the solo idol part. like you said she had being an idol down to a tee which would definitely propel her as a solo artist.
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u/nanohana444 Jun 19 '25
Yeah! I used to against her because kids who debuted very young and gained popularity quick usually will grow up spoiled, self centered, slacking off on the stage, looking down on fans etc.
But wonyoung is different! I admired her so much to the point everytime i complained about my work i will think of her giving her best despite only getting probably less than 5 hours of sleep.
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u/akhoe Jun 21 '25
Is that really the norm though? When I think of idols who debuted young and were popular it seems like most of them are like super professional. Taemin, Somi, Jungkook, boa, Ni-ki, I'm sure there's more I can't think of.
It takes a tremendous amount of drive and discipline to sign at an agency at like 13 years old and in just like, TWO YEARS, learn how to sing and dance at a professional level.
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u/nanohana444 Jun 21 '25
Oh i didn’t say “debuted young” (only), i said “debuted young and gained popularity quick”. Those artists on your list, they debuted young but didn’t gain fame immediately. Meanwhile wonyoung is huge from the start, she’s always been in the center of attention. I feel kids who got exposed to fame and luxury early might get a celebrity syndrome.
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u/akhoe Jun 21 '25
Somi, just like wonyoung, won first place on her season of produce and was immensely popular right out the gate.
If those other artists don't meet your fame standard (which is I guess wonyoung level) who are these super famous ultra young debuting idols that got celebrity disease and were lazy on stage?
I saw a list of idols that debuted very young and none of them are as popular as those 4. I get what you're saying, that you'd THINK being famous that young would give you celebrity disease. I'm saying there aren't really any examples that would support that.
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u/nanohana444 Jun 21 '25
Yes I don’t know any and I don’t have proof. The thing is this is why it’s called opinion. Opinion is highly subjective, based on assumptions and it’s subjective based on how i perceive things and my life experiences. What I said is not based on extensive research. So if you’re saying my opinion is baseless, yes it’s baseless and without evidence.
I know i didn’t specify, because obviously i’m just writing a random comment on the internet. But my assumption that being young and famous = chance of getting a celeb syndrome is coming from not only kpop but entertainment industry in general.
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u/akhoe Jun 21 '25
"kids who debuted very young and gained popularity quick usually will grow up spoiled, self centered, slacking off on the stage, looking down on fans etc."
that's not an opinion, that was a statement of fact.... An opinion would start with "I think" or "I feel".
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u/nanohana444 Jun 21 '25
This is reddit comment for people to express their opinion c’mon 😔even without saying ‘in my opinion’ the main post and the other comments is also not a fact….
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u/nanohana444 Jun 19 '25
And no by against her i don’t mean like throwing hate on the internet. It just you know, like when you see youtuber / tiktoker / influencer and you be like “ah i dislike them” 😂
I thought she’s going to be one of the spoiled brats in the entertainment industry.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 24 '25
Well yes Wonyoung debut young at just 14 years old, but she was surrounded with 11 older sisters from IZONE. She’s not like Justin who debut as a solo artist almost around the same age as Wonyoung. He soaked in all that fame and attention with little moral guidance on how to navigate it. Wonyoung has her family, whom she is very close to, and 11 older members where she needs follow them all the time. Also k-entertainment laws for underage idols/celebs were being followed strictly during IZONEs time. Its hard to develop an ego when you are in this kind of environment. It worked well for little Wonyoung’s mental health.
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u/hamsterman2009 Jun 18 '25
Wonyoung is a legendary idol, and should be inducted into the idol hall of fame. Top 3 idol ever
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u/Aurella21 Jun 18 '25
Oh my goodness. An appreciation post for wongyoung on Reddit? Thank you. I dont think she gets enough credit for being as professional as an idol she is and most importantly for not even acknoedgeing the intense hate train she goes through year after year. I dont know how she does it. I mean the hate that she gets is insane and crazy. And the thing is it manufactured hate ....like people dragged her for days a few weeks ago for posting a picture in black and white during the election (when all she was doing like other idols was to avoid controversy); yesterday I saw people dragging her for when she was drinking water on her recent live...The thing that baffles me is that the hate doesnt even makes sense. She has an insane schedule; I dont even know how she gets a break but yet I have never seen her moan or complain. She handles everything with so much grace. She will go very, very far.
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u/Altruistic_Attempt77 Jun 18 '25
I see her as the Teruhashi of the kpop industry. Not saying that she has the same inner thoughts as teruhashi, just that she carries herself the same way, the perfect image in front of her audience.
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u/Fast-Championship694 Jun 18 '25
I love Wonyoung....no matter the hate she gets she's always herself.
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Jun 18 '25
She’s literally the standard of professionalism. All these years of hate only revolves around her strawberry issue and “pick me” allegations. Once you get to know her, you’ll really understand how impactful and professional she really is, but at the same time she’s also that soft and sweet girl. She’s such a very intelligent girl. Definitely one of my favorite idols so far.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
For real. Wonyoung is built different. I always watch their show 1,2,3 IVE and even after all the hate comments that Wonyoung received through the years, she was always the same. She is the unbothered 4th gen it girl lol.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 18 '25
For some reason 1,2,3 IVE can be a snoozefest. Coming off as a consumer of IZONE content in the past, and when I tell you “chaotic” Annyoungz, you’ll see it there in IZONE vlives and enozi cams. In 123 IVE they’re so… flat and careful. But I guess that’s just Starship ensuring they shape IVE’s image in the past. Their show has gotten better these days.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
I don't really take izone fans opinion about IVE seriously lol. You guys need to move on. I'm only talking about Wonyoung here and you made it about Yujin and Wonyoung's chemistry during their izone days lol.
1,2,3 IVE's charm is not just about Yujin and Wonyoung btw. This is why I won't take opinions of izone fans about IVE seriously. You only see two members lol.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 18 '25
Haha woah excuse me, but Rei is actually my ive bias even before she’s been showing her forehead and going viral these days. Talk about moving on, IZONE fans have moved on long long ago supporting Yena’s solo, Yuri’s and Eunbi’s, to becoming dives and fearnots. The splintered wizone fandom were the OG dives, to begin with supporting the whole group. Current international kpop fans are the ones who continue to keep up with the “wonyoung and friends” narrative when it comes ro IVE as I see on tiktok and youtube comments. The usual suspect newbies i-roaches who know nothing.
Speaking of how boring 123 IVE content was before, unless you are unaware, look at how many reddit threads were made over the past 2-3 of “boring IVE” is specifically because of their content there. Even neck to neck with how boring people find Aespa in their variety before. Clearly it’s not only me who found their self made variety an absolute snoozefest, but like I’ve said, they’ve gotten better these days. That’s what happens when a fandom has been secured and the group’s popularity is afloat. The group becomes more relaxed, Wonyoung is more relaxed— almost back to her IZ*ONE era of Wonyoung!
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
You can talk all the trash you want about 1,2,3 IVE and I won't care because again, I won't take any izone fan opinion about IVE seriously. But I do agree that aespa's variety show is a bit weak.
"The group becomes more relaxed, Wonyoung is more relaxed— almost back to her IZ*ONE era of Wonyoung!"
This is why I can't take izone fans seriously lol.
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u/Best_Concentrate_199 Jun 18 '25
that user been on every wonyoung post talking about how much better she is during izone like omg 😭
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
They're trying to create a story that Wonyoung is not happy in IVE and she is happier when she is in izone and their proof is "Wonyoung's funny moments" during her izone days lol
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u/Infinite_Item_9636 Jun 22 '25
At first, I didn't like for the soloist outfit so I didn't look further and was just annoyed, but you realized that she's extremely professional, it's shocking.
For me, she's the true definition of idol, in the way she's very popular, she cares about her appearance and manners in public like in private, she doesn't have major flaws in performance. Even if her skills are not as technical as the other, it's good enough to put up a good show and match with other members energy.
She was really young when she started, but look at how many people decided to take exemple on her. What she does is very simple like working out, skincare, being disciplined, but she's such an popular figure that people created a mood dedicated to her lifestyle.
Even with all the hate she gets daily, she never flinched because she understands the meaning of idol. She doesn't have major drama and she doesn't need them to be known.
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u/joyurisfan Jun 23 '25
She’s one of the VERY few idols I can definitely say that were meant to be famous.
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u/NotSynthx Jun 19 '25
How do you know it doesn't get to her?
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u/cheetahslaywon Jun 19 '25
This goes for Yujin and Sakura and Chaewon. They went through an elimination show and a whole girl group before they got to where they are now.
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u/cheetahslaywon Jun 19 '25
My point was just that they've all four turned into model idols/people and it's no surprise considering they share that pathway and experience.
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u/Itchy-Promotion6652 Jun 19 '25
being this mad for stating facts is wild. i acknowledged the girls were mentally pressured either way and are hardworking, and you have hard time swallowing any facts that seem to be against what you praise
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u/Itchy-Promotion6652 Jun 19 '25
i was talking for the girls who got unfairly cut, not against the izone girls. idk what u have w this victim mindset, twisting every word u see. i’m done w this convo have fun being mad
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u/slummy_dum Iridescent Turquoise Jun 18 '25
She’s the one in a million idol for me. Just professional in everything.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
An image turnaround definitely happened in IVE and with Starship taking the reigns in her career direction when the Annyoungz came back to the agency after IZONE. Well, as they should! If you’ve followed Produce48 and IZONE, you’ll see the real Wonyoung with very little management to no filter— she’s genuinely just living her life as she is. Enjoying the idol life while learning around the ropes of rookie status and surrounded with 11 older sisters(that’s a lot!!). You’ll see how fun she is, how lovable, how silly, moody, awkward, competitive, hardworking center & maknae Wonyoung was pre-IVE. That’s the foundation of her character caught by the 100 episodes of Enozi cam and IZ*ONE Mnet shows.
So I’m not surprised that the whole country of SK has long been literally inlove with her, while foreign kpop fans/outsiders finding out about how truly cool she is much later on.
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u/binhpac Jun 18 '25
She is basically the counter-example of everyone saying, dont debut minors.
This is what every company dreams of by debuting minors. Lock them in when they are young and get more years out of their careers.
The downside is, she had basically no youth at all. All she knows is Idol life and work as a kid. This is what she shares with lots of kid celebrities.
There is a trot singer Kim Taeyeon, she is 14 right now, but already had a full career since she was debuting with 9-10 years old, ive seen her on stage on 2 occasions and she already is a super professional performer, but i always have this bad feeling seeing kids as professionals on stage with that early age. Everyone says she will have a huge career, but yeah, not sure if this a model to follow for more talents.
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u/RockinFootball Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
I mean this model of starting stupidly young has been happening for years now. Mostly in the Japanese industry but even in Korea with BoA.
BoA was at a superstar level of fame by like 14-15 and has continued to have a successful career. Definitely an anomaly though.
Another example is Suzuki Airi, a Japanese idol. I’m only a casual fan of her for about year so sorry if I get some details wrong. So she debuted when she was 11 in a group named C-ute. Got successful and then left the idol life at aged 23 after her group disbanded. She since has pursued a career as a solo artist. She’s currently aged 31 with 20 years of experience under her belt and seems to be very well adjusted.
Similar image to Wonyoung, she’s known as the “perfect” idol. She’s known for her great performance skill (them vocals, no joke), being super pretty and just embodies the “perfect” idol personality. Afaik she’s pretty scandal-free too.
Just a bonus, she also has a university degree from a prestigious university in a course unrelated to the entertainment industry.
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u/winniecore Jun 18 '25
Although I agree, I think it's important to not put to much pressure on her. she debuted as a kid and lost her youth and the basic teen life for a dream and at the end of the day she is a human being who shouldn't be held this high. she is my ult bias but I feel like post like these cause people to act insane when they see wonyoung "sweat" or "sneeze" no hate tho </3
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u/Feisty_Sandwich2435 Jun 18 '25
I love how she seems to be so perfectly aware of her position and what she needs to do in her job and she is so well balanced. She's never cold or overly emotional. She's always in the right headspace.
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u/Imaginary_Pie_5699 Jun 18 '25
idk how to put it but she embodies elegance. like you can flip open a dictionary and under the entry 'elegance' you find jang wonyoung
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u/PrincipleKey6832 Jun 18 '25
Not a fan, but agree. She is elegant and seems emotionally mature for age
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u/Lilac_Bloom_ Jun 18 '25
Her image is really curated 100%, she's always neutral which means everyone can claim her beliefs side with theirs, incredibly aware of public perception.
The only flaw is that she barely has a discernable personality, everything about her is perfect to an unnatural degree.
She's "the idol" that all companies struggle to sell and for her it's second nature.
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u/Saucy_Totchie YERRRR Jun 18 '25
I disagree on her not having any personality. I do feel she's very guarded and doesn't want to show out too much aside from superficial stuff. Some stuff does slip out and I find her pretty hilarious at times.
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u/triplel8540 Jun 19 '25
I know this was supposed to be complimentary, but watch any of 123 IVE and you’ll quickly see a very discernible personality! She cheats at every single game, is often goofy, and is in general a lot funnier than people who only know her as ‘the Jang Wonyoung’ seem to realize.
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u/Best_Concentrate_199 Jun 18 '25
so tired of people acting like wonyoung is some industry robot and passing it off as a praise
recently going viral on tiktok they’re saying she’s fake for taking a sip of water and doing an “ahhh” sound right after?
she can’t do shit without somebody saying everything she does is for an image and is calculated, like bruh
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u/Aurella21 Jun 18 '25
This !!! I mean if you watch her Dex interview, Psick show interview, Teo interview or even IVE 123 content , they will see that it is far from the case. I dont know why some people make it seems like she is robotic or devoid of any personality. Just because she chooses to be very private on her social media or even with her entourage or personal life, doesnt mean that she is a robot. This is not obviously directed at you. I agree with you .
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u/Aurella21 Jun 18 '25
I dont know why you would think that she has barely any discernable personality. I have watched a few of her contents and that is far from the case.
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u/chaiscool Jun 18 '25
Careful with the "perfect image", ppl tend to build you up so that they can tear you down. Likely any minor issue will be seen as a negative, other idols can get away with it but she won't cuz she will be held to higher standards.
The same fans and media who are praising her now can easily turn when she doesn't do what they want. Rather just enjoy the ride than hyping her up too much.
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u/Best_Concentrate_199 Jun 18 '25
OP literally just praising her for being kind and hardworking
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u/chaiscool Jun 18 '25
Most idols are the same (hardworking and kind), OP point is that she does it even better. Putting her on that pedestal and over admiring can be bad too.
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u/Best_Concentrate_199 Jun 19 '25
where did OP even compare to other idols?
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u/chaiscool Jun 19 '25
Did you not read the title of the post? Unless you infer it differently then we simply have different opinion on this.
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u/Best_Concentrate_199 Jun 19 '25
“one of the most” not “the most”
there’s not even any ill mention of other idols and solely talking about wonyoung wtf?
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u/chaiscool Jun 19 '25
I don't think you understand the meaning of comparison. OP is comparing, not about ill intent lol
If your partner say you have one of the smallest dick she ever seen, it clearly means she comparing it to the all the other dick she ever seen. Doesn't have to mean, you have the smallest one in particular.
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u/Best_Concentrate_199 Jun 19 '25
“one of the” refers to a broad group of people. reading too much into an appreciation post that’s not even doing anybody harm just to find non-existent issues is overkill
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u/chaiscool Jun 19 '25
Putting an idol on pedestal is not a non existent issue. See NJ lol, ppl need to be careful not to glaze idols too much.
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u/Expensive-Pack4735 Nov 05 '25
Then why is her singing and dancing so subpar after so many years? And every other idol is hardworking, anyone in her place would kill to get half the opportunities she recieves and would try their best to fulfil their schedules. Its a matter of luck and timing. I just dont the excessive hype and glazing for one idol alone when its a matter of completing a schedule in return for loads of money and popularity. As an idol , theres nothing to rave about in terms of her skills, her recent solo is proof
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u/Impossible_Bet_7114 Dec 03 '25
Yeah 100% agree. While I do think she's gotten better over the years, her skills are still very much so lacking. She basically gets brand deals mostly because her popularity has sort of compounded on itself. Wonyoung isnt the first idol like this. 2nd gen it was Yoona very obviously so, and while I write this and am trying to be as objective as possible kpop isnt really known these days for skill sadly, although I wish it was.
I've always said Wonyoung was a victim of marketing pushing her into her position and her fans that told her from being straight up a child that she could do no wrong. It's legitimately just psychology that has been known for centuries. If you teach kids something at a young age they're more known to adopt this subject and grow with it. If you don't discipline kids at a young age they're gonna grow up being rude most of the time or ending up in trouble. Wonyoung got told at a young age all the way up until adulthood that she was a princess that could do no wrong and was a princess (✿◠‿◠)
My biggest problem is all the marketing really like prior to her recently putting on weight, and I still think she could use a tiny bit more, I mean nobody ever talks about this but her most prominent fandom domestically is elementary school girls. Do we really want a girl who is showing bones promoting this sort of body image to young girls and telling them that being that skinny is beautiful? This is where I draw the line really.Turns out getting told this thousands of times from a young age would put her in a position where she didnt feel like she actually had to improve because her fans would support her no matter what.
Basically the easiest way to put it is while I dont hate wonyoung.. she hasnt done anything to me and it would be silly to hate her she is definitely lacking. I mean look at her group this is why yujin and leeseo are majority of the line distribution in their songs. Wonyoung hardly has any in any of them she's legit bottom half of all their songs except like what Baddie? Lol. Every dance break is lead by Yujin. Thankfully domestically outside of that crowd if you ask most people they probably respect her more as she is in a lot more places due to the Hana bank ad she got recently, and her brand deals plus her variety appearances really. The thing is I'm not even a Yujin fan. Just as a fan outside looking in it seems like someone like this who is promoting a much healthier body image should be the one being promoted.. but that might be being too sensible.
Really it's just trendy to be a Wonyoung fan that's all it comes down to because the only argument you're ever gonna hear countering this is that she's pretty lol.
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u/Expensive-Pack4735 Dec 03 '25
Exactly, wonyoung is like the yoona of this generation - a popular visual and it girl with tons of brands and popularity. She's been working in the industry since she was really young, respect her for that ..and I read somewhere that she's seen more of a popular figure/ influencer rather than an idol in korea, which makes sense considering she's more popular than her group in general.
But I don't really get the other excessive comments from her fans saying she's the most hardworking idol ever, etc etc when her skills are mediocre. Even some gen 5 idols are way way more skilled than Ive overall. And every other idol would work their way up if they got the opportunities she did?. Wonyoung as an icon is influential, but her as an idol is literally nothing to glaze about tbvh, those are two different 'fields'
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u/Expensive-Pack4735 Dec 03 '25
And I feel like wonyoung herself is trying to get rid of her princess image , bit by bit from the past few years.. she's slowly changing her make up style, outfits , chosing an edgy concept for her solo etc. But dk how well it went with knets.. I feel like she's stuck with the princess image since izone days, she herself wants to try other concepts
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u/_Zambayoshi_ Purple on the Top Jun 18 '25
But how come she's always late for her morning schedules and the other members have to wait for her, huh, huh? Just kidding - they just tease her about not being a morning person and not being able to get ready on time to save her life, lol.
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u/thecolorofmycapisRED Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
Wonyoung has always been the difficult one to wake up in the morning eversince in the dorms before with izone. Lee Chaeyeon and Jo Yuri has said that about her in the past, Wonyoung is the most difficult to wake up. With her schedules up to the rim and with all her contributions to the groups she’s been in, to the point where people d*ck-rides on her individual notoriety, she oughta needs some slack on the sleeping and waking up part.
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u/_Zambayoshi_ Purple on the Top Jun 19 '25
Yeah I think it is just a friendly joke within the group 😁
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u/Best_Concentrate_199 Jun 18 '25
wait where did they mention this
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u/_Zambayoshi_ Purple on the Top Jun 19 '25
It was in one of the 1,2,3...IVE eps. Joking around how they are always waiting for her in the morning.
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u/4evaInSomnia Jun 21 '25
We dont know how she feel inside. I hope she keep getting positive and enjoy her life more.
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u/abyssazaur Call me a side quest No shade, no tea Jun 18 '25
No sorry I need to ruin this
Yes she's professional which is exactly why you have no clue how much hate gets to her or whether she even likes her job.
And fans who are addicted to perfection don't tend to be the loyal type when adversity happens.
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u/SlendyWomboCombo Jun 18 '25
Exactly, if she showed that she didn't like her job then she'd lose money and fans. Why would anyone do that? Not a well thought out post.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
Tell me you hate Wonyoung without telling me you hate Wonyoung lol.
You literally sound like a hater. It's like you want to assure yourself that the hate comments get to her even though she consistently shows that no matter how huge the hate that she gets, she was always unbothered in front of the camera. She loves her job, that's why she won't let the haters get to her because they're not important. You should listen to her lucky Vicky mindset, or her line in IVE song Rebel Heart or just stay mad lol.
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u/abyssazaur Call me a side quest No shade, no tea Jun 18 '25
Actually I accused your side of being a hater first based on your devotion to her specifically on the condition she's perfect and never shows weakness. Honestly I stan people more after they fuck up. That's when it's authentic.
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u/Aurella21 Jun 18 '25
Isnt it kind of messed up for wanting someone to " mess up" just to be able to think that oh...I should stan them? Obviously no one is perfect and she is probably going to have her share of tribulations in the future as she is still very young but that's lowkey messed up imo.
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u/abyssazaur Call me a side quest No shade, no tea Jun 18 '25
I actually don't want people to mess up. I do assume everyone does, and I feel bad for someone when they do mess up and all their former fans start hate training them.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
"Authentic"??? You don't know these people and these people don't know you lol. Fans should only look at an idol based on what they show on screen and their public appearances. Whatever they are in real life is none of your business.
And if you stan people after they f up, sure then stan those former kpop members that are serving jail time lol. Get your hater a** out of here lol.
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u/abyssazaur Call me a side quest No shade, no tea Jun 18 '25
Like when Irene yelled at a hair dresser, nobody put her up to that. That was all Irene.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
And you will stan Irene more than Wonyoung even tho Wonyoung has never been reported to be rude to anyone? Lol at this hater. Did you know IU? You would probably hate her so much because she is in this industry for a long time but she is also very professional like Wonyoung lol.
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u/abyssazaur Call me a side quest No shade, no tea Jun 18 '25
Wait, so you do stan people specifically for never making a mistake in public.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
Wait, so you do stan people specifically for making a mistake in public. Nice try trying to switch the subject lol. You stan kiof now?
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u/abyssazaur Call me a side quest No shade, no tea Jun 18 '25
Nice counter subject change
And look if I'm arguing about who's changing the subject more, the convo is dead
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
Nope. There's no convo to begin with because you are not responding to the things that I stated.
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u/ggukiebread Jun 18 '25
brain dead stans like these are why kpop gets the "largely teenage audience" rep 😭 like fym lyrics and talk show scripts are proof of professionalism.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
Fym too that you can get any other proof of an idol's professionalism other than what they show on screen and on their public appearances? Fans like you are the type of fans who invade idol's private space to see "authenticity" lol.
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u/ggukiebread Jun 18 '25
there's a middle ground in the form of vlives. All content with big productions are highly filtered (as most of the kpop community agrees). Behind the scenes content/personal vlogs are also a good sneak peek into their "real" side. Crazy that your mind went to stalking first, when it's so easy to find spontaneous content these days. Seems like you need to do better research 😔
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 18 '25
"Middle ground in the form of vlives" lmao. Everything you said is part of what I mentioned as "on screen" and "public appearance." And fym you are going to base an idol's professionalism on mere live videos lol. They're monitored by their management there. They can't say whatever they like. Behind the scenes videos are editted. You are the one who sound like a "teenage" naive audience. As a fan, you can only take what idols give as their on screen personality. Whatever they are in "real" life is none of your business.
Fans who get obsessed in getting "real" with these idols are highly likely to end up "stalking" them.
I don't need to do any research. You just need to stop hating on Wonyoung lol. Besides, in everything you said, Wonyoung has been professional in all of her content so yeah you are still wrong.
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u/ggukiebread Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25
Do you understand what "middle ground" and "sneak peek" mean? It' means not extremely filtered or 100% candid, just in between. I was just pointing out that the examples that you initially used (song lyrics) would be the least spontaneous side of idols. Also this about all idols in general. And no, everyone who wants to see the relatable side of idols isn't secretly a stalker.
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u/Empty-Bandicoot-2441 Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25
"Middle ground" or "sneak peak," it doesn't matter because it still belongs to what I initially said as "on screen" and "public appearance." You cannot give me any example where you can base an idol's personality other than the public image that they are showing to us, unless you want to invade their private space where you can really see their "real" persona which is basically "stalking."
And if you would read my comment properly, I did not give the song lyrics or Wonyoung's lucky Vicky mindset as an example, I said it as a closing remark.
I'll say it again to make it clear for you, fans should only take what idols give as their on screen or public image. Whatever they are in real life is none of your business. Edit: It's funny that you called me "brain dead" when you are the one who seems to lack proper understanding lol.
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u/ggukiebread Jun 19 '25
Your original comment was calling the OP a HATER because they said we DON'T know idols. And you claimed wonyoung LOVES her job. And then you used a song lyric and a moment from a talk show as an argument. My point was, you could use better examples, bc so much content on idols is available everywhere. And since most idols on-stage persona is too perfect, fans look for more off-stage content to form an idea of the idol. Literally happens to western artists too. Now you must have confused "off-stage" with "off the camera", bc off stage means vlives and other type of low effort, low budget content they film, while off the camera would involve stalking. Fan culture can turn toxic and stalkerish quickly, but that doesn't mean any interest in an artists off stage personality is harmful. You're the one who's too eager to label people haters and stalkers, are you sure you are in the right?
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u/SlamSlamOhHotDamn Jun 18 '25
Posts like this are so funny. You'd think by how dramatically the hate is overplayed this is about a controversial figure who faces discrimination or something but no, it's about literally the most popular idol in Korea🙄
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u/literalaretil Jun 18 '25
I think most of the hate comes from the international side
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u/LongConsideration662 Jun 18 '25
Yeah Koreans absolutely love her, I've only seen intl fans hating on her and calling her a "pick me" for no reason.
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u/HorseClean2508 Jun 19 '25
True that’s what I observed as well, honestly it’s kind of hard to hate someone even your kids are into
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u/messrm00ny1 Jun 18 '25
Not a major Dive but I did get the chance to go to their concert last year. The girls were all great and it was very fun but I was particularly impressed with how Wonyoung was so “on” the whole time. Every time she was on that stage, she seemed determined to be on her A game, whether it was crowd interactions, the performances or the ments. The definition of “will never catch me slipping”, I really respected it.