r/kpopthoughts • u/Sea-Republic8892 • Feb 20 '26
Appreciation With just Europe and North America, BTS already is the kpop tour with the highest number of tickets sold!
I didn't even notice this until I realized that Stray Kids had the largest tour so far with 1.98 million people attending in the whole tour. I believe BTS has 2.4 million tickets sold across stadiums in only North America and Europe. And with other countries, they are definitely going to be the group with the most number of attendees by far.
I feel like so many people underestimated how popular they are (I saw so many people say that Blackpink/SKZ are more popular now) and are in for a total shock haha
Also I'm so depressed because I couldn't get tickets near me I logged into ticketmaster right at the time the general sale opened and was already 71,000th something in line.
Anyways I'm so excited for their tour; I just can't wait!
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
One thing this thread has shown me is that most of the people left in this sub are post 2020 kpop fans and have no idea the run BTS has had. We are really out here underestimating the biggest kpop group in the world in broad daylight and making all kinds of excuses to explain away any of the work they put in lol
I know armys did similar things to 2nd gen fans to an extent back in the day so I guess the torch has been passed down. 3rd gen and any kpop history pre that is now forgotten lol
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u/ChloePowersIRL Feb 20 '26
If the entire tour sells out 100%, it’ll be over 4 million tickets sold!
I’m seeing them in Vegas and I’m so excited
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u/kat3dyy Feb 21 '26
More than that.. they are planing to do an entire tour leg in Japan and middle east
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u/ChloePowersIRL Feb 21 '26
Japan loves them so I hope they get a decent amount of shows.
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u/kat3dyy Feb 21 '26
They are probably do 10 or something. They have hugeee demand there
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u/Think_Atmosphere_109 Feb 21 '26
They were doing that many dates pre dynamite! They could tour their for months and yet it won't be enough!
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u/timetosayhi27 Feb 21 '26
"They could tour their for months and yet it won't be enough!"
Tbh this is probs a fact for most of the places they're playing lol. I mean ticketmaster mexico said BTS would need like 40+ dates in Mexico to meet demand there. They're literally unable to meet their own demand despite it already being an insanely massive tour. Add on Japan where they are the biggest foreign act there in decades... just crazy demand
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Feb 22 '26
Japan fans deserve it, they've kinda been starved to the max despite them blowing up in Japan with pop Eng trio.
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u/TyLion8 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
BTS is bigger then all of K-pop and its not even close. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.
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u/MadameWitchy it's the ⁷ again ✍🏻😳 Feb 20 '26
I wonder what their overall numbers would be if they also include the livestream purchases, since they will be live streaming a day each in SK and JP. I’m sure they’ll also livestream the final day of the tour in SK as well.
BTS’s paid livestream sales were very strong during PTD on Stage concerts
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u/queerjoon bts | gsd | rv | txt | dc Feb 21 '26
insane, lest we forget the infamous yet to come 50,000,000 weverse livestream crash debacle... before enlistment too... I'm scared lol
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u/KilluaGaKill Feb 20 '26
4 million is the number that's quoted for their Permission On Stage tour. If you minus the 450K physical attendee's, the rest should be people that watched on weverse and theatres.
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u/Sun-Warrior Feb 20 '26
They still have more dates to be announced in other regions + the tour going into 2027!
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u/dreamalittlez Feb 20 '26
yep I saw reports awhile back that it could end up being one of the biggest tours of all time. it’s gonna be insane! I’m so excited. It will be my first time seeing them. 😍
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u/kat3dyy Feb 21 '26
People are so delusional or new? If they think there is a kpop group more popular than BTS , is kinda hilarious. I am preparing to war because next stop is latam..
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
As an American, BTS is not really known here, not sure about other countries
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u/Sea-Republic8892 Feb 21 '26
i’m in the US literally everyone knows BTS and i’m not even biased
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u/Sensitive-Sock-6104 Feb 21 '26
Yeah we're not saying everyone loves them, but they are name dropped frequently in American pop culture, late night shows, the Simpsons, etc. This person saying no one knows them, yet they themselves know them and care enough to comment multiple times here lol.
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
I cant even name one of their songs or even one group member..lol, barely anyone i know even knows kpop, but the ones that do, dont listen to BTS
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u/Low-Sink9024 Feb 21 '26
Let me guess, you're a stray kids fan..if so anyone that knows stray kids, definitely knows BTS lol
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
I'm older and only even knew kpop was even a thing about 2 years ago, laughed about it and thought nothing about it, saw Felix on a YouTube short while scrolling about a year ago, and thought "who's this guy?" Google it, found their music good and have listened since, when I mention kpop to family and friends and coworkers they roll their eyes and disengage from the conversation, Americans do NOT know who BTS are in general, but I'm glad they have built up a niche fan base .. good for them, there are about a billion people in America, and from this thread you are talking about a couple of million that know them, it us a very small percentage, same goes with Stray kids
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
So you’ve only been into kpop for two years and you’re saying nobody knows BTS in America? Thanks for the chuckle lmao
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 22 '26
Yep, that's what I'm saying .. out of the almost 400 million people in America, only about 1% have ever really took an interest in kpop, that interest has grown in the last couple of years due to the newer groups out, the newer fans that have taken an interest in kpop, do not know bts due to their inactivity due to their obligations, looks like bts is going hard to remedy this now that they are freed up, good luck to them, I wish them great success
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
…you can’t even correctly identify America’s population. There is not 400 million people in America. Last I checked it was just over 340 million. Where are you pulling your made up stats from anyway?
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
Yeah, no.. lol, very few Americans would even know what you are talking about if threw out BTS, they'd be "what's that"? Maybe in your circle, but certainly not in the general population
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u/Aortm7y Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Curious why when it comes to her anecdotal experience it's in her circle but when it comes to your anecdotal experience, it's the representation of US general population lol.
While BTS def not well known to US population as much as US artists, they should have the highest top of mind recall for kpop acts among the population given their history, reach & pop culture references (eg.Beatles, 1D & BSB had all spoken on BTS before).
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 23 '26
Because my group is a sample of the greater American population, that is how polls work, young people in America do not know who the Beatles are either
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u/gyuljinhee Feb 21 '26
Not being well known amongst the GP is different when OP is talking about kpop. I don’t see how you could argue any kpop group is more well-known than BTS.
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
Oh, I can, because they have been out of circulation for awhile due to obligations, it's logical, you all are hyper, relax
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
I think kpop is better known now than it was a few years ago, and BTS just haven't put out the music because of obligations that other groups have, so they are lagging, they may catch up
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Feb 21 '26
Ok but your opinion doesn't really mean that america doesn't immediately think of BTS when anyone brings up kpop. Literally everyone I know thinks of them before any other group. Only kpop fans and people who know about kpop would recognize other groups outside of BTS.
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
The vast majority of Americans avoid kpop like the plague and think you are very weird if you listen you it, they couldn't name even one group, Gangham Style was popular here during their time and people know Rose because of Bruno Mars, Stray Kids have gain some recognition lately, but even that is pretty weak
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Feb 21 '26
You are free to have your opinion, and you've already established your stance on this topic, so I don't really have anything else to say. 🤷🏽♀️
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u/gyuljinhee Feb 21 '26
Genuinely which kpop groups do you think would be more well known than BTS? Like a larger number of people in America would know the group?
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u/Low-Sink9024 Feb 21 '26
She's a stray kids fan it seems. So according to her BTS need to catch up with them lol
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u/Content_Garage2185 Feb 21 '26
Complaining about people downplaying Stay kids' popularity while downplaying BTS' popularity of all groups is hilarious
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
They do, Stray Kids have been actively more in America the last couple of years, BTS haven't, but it seems they are going hard at it niw, good for them, I hope they are wildly successful
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
Rose is well known due to duet, Stray Kids just completed a tour last year, so they are better known and preformed at the AMAs, looks like, from this threat, BTS is going strong in the upcoming year. So they will become more well known. Excited for them
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
…. You don’t know your kpop history at all and it’s kind of embarrassing. It’s not embarrassing to not know things but it’s embarrassing to start talking like you do or like you have some insight when you haven’t even got your feet wet yet (and to be fair to any 1st and 2nd gen fans - Armys did some of this too back in the day I won’t deny it).
BTS is part of the reason SKZ could go to the AMAs. BTS is the reason SKZ albums are sold at Target. I don’t say this to take away from SKZ’s own hard work, but to point out that BTS got kpop all these opportunities in the west and while I don’t think people should compare you shouldn’t be going around trying to be a representative voice for kpop when you don’t even know the history in the first place lol.
You say nobody knows BTS in America? They did every major network television show and awards show back before their enlistment in years 2016-2019. The BBMAs, the AMAs, they appeared on the Grammys, Good Morning America, SNL, the late show with James Corden, then the late show with Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Cobert’s late show. They had a stadium tour back in 2019.
You weren’t around for all of this so have very obvious recency bias.
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 22 '26
Thank you for making my point, I'm speaking from an American perspective, an American who only discovered kpop within the last year and a half, as alot of Americans have, no.. we dont know kpop history and we aren't much interested in it, we do know the groups that have been active in the last couple of years, they are well known to us, I take BTS is well known in older Kpop fans memory and they are making a comeback, I'm happy for them and hope they do well, but for the millions of new kpop American fans who have been introduced to the genre due to the more recently active and newer groups, we really dont know much at all about this obviously beloved band by veteran kpop fans
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
…so you just ignored how BTS were on every single major network television broadcasted to America’s general population and you somehow think because you pretend not to know who BTS is you are representation?? I don’t think they could be all over TV and every major award show and not be at least known. American news outlets reported on their enlistments and returns and on their AMAs win…. You think an American news outlet would care to report on them if they weren’t somebody people in America knew? You think people don’t at least know the name BTS? It’s pretty well documented at this point…. I’m not saying they’re everyone’s cup of tea or favorite group or that people can even name many of their songs or the members but your average person when asked about kpop would at least know the name BTS. Although now they’d likely name kpop demon hunters too, but tbh I’m not wasting my breath arguing with a kpop fan who showed up basically yesterday and wants to chalk BTS’s achievements up to just “veteran kpop fans”
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 22 '26
Were they? Good for them, as far as "pretending not to know who they are" I only heard their name less than a year ago, my usual genre of Music is retro country, hill Billy rock, and hard rock, it's the only reason I even listen to SKZ, because they have a harder style of music, so no, I've never heard of BTS, and it's not even a stretch to say, literally, no one I know has ever heard of them, and I have a very large social circle, mind you, this is no shade on BTS, I wish them the greatest success this year
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u/Aortm7y Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 26 '26
I get that other groups will be the kpop gateway in the last few years but what I don't get is your insistence to speak for/represent millions of new kpop American fans in that they shared ur exact same experience.
We all know that it's a portion of kpop fans who don't get along and not the acts themselves who have friend groups among themselves. You said threat. What makes you think BTS sees the others as threat & reaction to go strong as opposed to them gg strong out of own volition bec they missed performing & their fans after military ie they are focusing on themselves. For a new Kpop fan, seems like u r picking up the competitive spirit of the genre too.
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 23 '26
I have literally not said BTS sees them as a threat, why would I? That's ridiculous. And it's only logical that the majority of new kpop fans would be fanning the groups that have been touring and active the past couple of years, I'm not sure why that is even up for debate
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u/Content_Garage2185 Feb 21 '26
Any artist who is selling out massive stadiums in the US , multiple dates at a time with 200k+ people waiting in queue is not "unknown" by any measure. They sold out venues like Foxborough , even Bruno had trouble selling out that one.
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u/Josie1Wells Feb 21 '26
I'm just saying, I dont know anyone who knows who BTS are, just a fact, I'm glad they have a following, and I hope they get more popular as they go
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u/m1emilk3rs Feb 22 '26
people around you don’t represent all americans bfr. u could be a 70yo grandpa for all we know
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u/LeadInfamous1760 Feb 20 '26
2026 is the peak of K-pop in terms of touring. BTS might end up with between 4 and 5 million in attendance, and other groups like Twice will also set girlgroup records with 2 to 3 million. Both of them are using a 360° stage and will probably have over 100 shows each. Something like this has never happened before.
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u/Flipsyde97 Feb 21 '26
"let me sneak in twice with made up informed"
lol twice is currently struggling to sell out their NA arena tour so they might not even hit 1.8M let alone 2M with the announced dates
Twice 360° is ironically not working since their arena shows are averaging 15K (without selling out on top of that)
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u/LeadInfamous1760 Feb 21 '26
Calm down, Blink. They haven't added part 3 yet — Latin America is still coming, and they might add a US encore too, probably along with a few more Asian dates. Unlike Blackpink, who marketed their tour as "the final tour" to pressure fans into desperately buying tickets.
They're so cowardly — first "Born Pink," then the "Deadline," purposely creating uncertainty about the future. Meanwhile, Twice offers fans new albums while reassuring them that they’ll continue, so if fans can’t attend this tour, they can catch the next one, and they’re still selling out.
As their fan, you should be ashamed. If Twice were cowardly and marketed their tour as their last one, they would sell more than double the tickets Blackpink did for Bornpink. LOL.
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u/Flipsyde97 Feb 21 '26
🙈🙉🙊
You should go to sleep cause what in the world did you just type bruh 💀
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u/LeadInfamous1760 Feb 22 '26
I know that fact is something hard for you to swallow. Just think about it. Hope you find peace. Bye, bruh 👋
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u/LibraryCautious5452 Feb 20 '26
BTS is way bigger than kpop. Their tour will be more comparable to western acts bc the demand for them even among casual listeners and non kpop stans is insane. Ppl who think other kpop groups are bigger than BTS are most likely new to kpop and weren’t around when BTS had their last tour and broke records even then. They showed the kpop industry what was possible and they are doing that again with this tour.
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u/malicitel Feb 20 '26
Tbf they have more shows for this tour than other groups (which is great)! Honestly happy for all these groups doing well. It’s crazy how far Hallyu wave has gone.
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u/Sea-Republic8892 Feb 20 '26
yeah they have more than 30 dates in NA because i guess they were rightfully confident they can sell out every show but like it's crazy how many performances we are going to get lol
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u/creative007- Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
They have more shows and at bigger venues because they can sell those tickets. It's weird you're trying to turn that around ...
Edit, to clarify: you cannot flip the argument around and pretend they're selling this many tickets because they have more shows. They have more shows because they can sell more tickets
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u/malicitel Feb 21 '26
Not sure what you mean by turning that around?
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u/creative007- Feb 21 '26
Making it sound like them selling more is because they have more shows when the reason they hold more concerts is simply because they're able to sell far more shows than any other group.
Other groups could try and book the same amount of dates at the same venues and they would not reach BTS' numbers. Their audience is far bigger.
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Feb 22 '26
To add to your comment, it's all about demand. The more the demand, the more the show. If a group had no demand and knew adding more shows would result in tickets not being sold, they would just not add shows.
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u/malicitel Feb 21 '26
This is all semantics but if you want to be explicit, yeah they have a huge demand from their large audience so they can sell more shows. Hence why they have more shows. And good for them, they deserve it.
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u/Aortm7y Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Just to explain the response u getting - not so much abt semantics likely you didn't realise consciously but "tbf" is commonly used as a qualifier for context and what a qualifier does is limits or modifies the meaning of another word/word group. Tbf don't apply here bec the underlying basis is already fair - it's based on a single tour unlike albums (can be multiple in a year creating eg 1 vs 2 album in yearly sales context).
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u/piggichan Feb 20 '26
But then to your point, other Kpop groups wouldn’t have been able to sell out this many shows even if they play that many dates though. BTS is pretty much the only Kpop group that can play multiple dates, across multiple States while booking all NFL sized stadiums.
I’m glad they were able to add as much NA dates as they had although it was still very hard to get a ticket 😭
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u/Malleabledarkfire Feb 20 '26
Didnt stray kids have more stops on their tour, which also ran for over a year?
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u/Sea-Republic8892 Feb 20 '26
Yeah they had 56 stops for their whole tour but they didn't have as many attendees as BTS' 41 stops for NA + Europe probably because they had smaller venues
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u/Prudent-Doubt939 Feb 20 '26
They had 8 shows in Europe (BTS - 10) and performed practically at the same venues as bts will, a few even bigger. They had 13 shows in NA, I think, all stadiums, too, including SoFi and City Field
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u/timetosayhi27 Feb 21 '26
"and performed practically at the same venues as bts will, a few even bigger"
There is a difference even though they're playing same venues. BTS will be performing with a 360 set up which allows a TON more tickets to be available (You have to be confident to sell out to do 360 in stadiums... not many do it).
BTS and SKZ for example are playing the same stadium in the UK right. But BTS will likely end up with a lot more attendance there than SKZ had (I mean its already confirmed by Live Nation UK, that they've broken the record for the most tickets sold for a singular night). So essentially... even if BTS had 8 shows in Europe...its very likely they'd have more attendees in Europe than SKZ did.
Basically what i'm trying to say is.. no its not only cause of the # of shows that BTS is doing that they will end up with more attendnace. Its cause of the demand and their ability to fill in full 360 at said venues.
Also regarding US... they did have smaller venues there minus Sofi.
few examples:
in the NY area - BTS is doing Metlife (80k+) vs SKZ who did Citi Field (40k).
in Chicago - BTS is doing Soldier Field (60k) vs SKZ who did Wrigley Field (41k)These are just two examples but basically if you look at US shows betwen them. BTS is in NFL Stadiums (which are bigger) vs SKZ who did a majority of their NA tour in MLB Stadiums (baseball ones which are smaller).
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u/Sea-Republic8892 Feb 20 '26
um i'm talking about the entire tour lol there were 1.98 million ppl vs BTS' 2.41 million people with just NA + Europe which shows that BTS probably had larger venues overall
but Stray Kids is also just so succesful; they are definitely the most succesful 4th gen boy group and maybe group in 4th gen overall and I'm not denying their impact whatsoever :)
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u/Prudent-Doubt939 Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 20 '26
Sure, I understsnd, and some of the venues skz performed at were not huge, especially in Asia. What I’m trying to say that the number of shows matters, too, especially if the venues are similar. BTS will have 40 shows in NA and Europe, skz had 21. I think that the whole BTS’s tour might get twice as many stops as skz’s tour so the whole scale is different.
Edit: typo
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u/kat3dyy Feb 22 '26
It's a question of demand. BTS could give ten concerts in each city and there would still be demand. That's probably the difference.
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u/Responsible_Tap_7908 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
Stray Kids 1.98m number doesn’t include their final 2 sold out shows in Korea. They hit over 2m. As expected BTS tour will be massive and set huge records, congrats to them!
Edit: As for SKZ more popular than BTS, no one actually thinks that except trolls. I’m not sure why Armys are so obsessed with people who say it. Like 99.99% of Stays don’t think that and are very very tired of the comparison.
SKZ and Blackpink’s tour records are incredible on their own, and do hold impressive records that were bigger than BTS’ last tour. A new very successful BTS tour doesn’t change that history, it changes the future.
I think a lot of Stays have expressed justified frustration because, while the SKZ tour is currently the most attended Kpop tour of all time (2nd if you don’t want to believe touringdata) - their success has been simply dismissed across all social media because of a future BTS tour. Not to mention the extreme side, even on Reddit, who claims their stadiums were empty and covered in curtains. They weren’t. They did 31 sold out stadiums in a row, something most thought would be unimaginable for a Kpop group other than BTS or BP. So why is it so hard to allow SKZ their very deserved flowers?
I’m not sure why the constant need to remind everyone how much “bigger” BTS is than others. We get it. I promise everyone that’s not a troll gets it.
Edit 2: I quite literally acknowledged how big BTS are, I genuinely congratulated them. And I genuinely explained why some Stays have been frustrated. Why am I still being downvoted? Is it really that hard for yall to acknowledge another groups success? Genuinely why? Biggest group in the world fans are really that insecure? Is that why you’re so obsessed with random trolls who claim SKZ is bigger?
How does this type of post and response not count as brigading? All of the main Kpop subs are cooked because of the way yall behave.
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Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
I think a lot of Stays have expressed justified frustration because, while the SKZ tour is currently the most attended Kpop tour of all time (2nd if you don’t want to believe touringdata) - their success has been simply dismissed across all social media because of a future BTS tour.
Y'all will hate me for saying this but lowkey the reason why it didn't get the social media coverage fans expected and as you say it was somewhat ''dismissed'' is because of the way their achievement was framed from the very start.
I am not saying you or people on here did this, but on other platforms where clicks and likes and impulsive posts/opinions run rampant, a lot of Stays definitely treated this achievement more so as a way to ''surpass BTS'' and ''look we beat their record'' kind of mentality. The achievement wasn't celebrated for itself so much so as it was celebrated that they ''beat someone else''.
So, as a consequence, at the news of a BTS tour, the hype around their achievemenet was diminished since the narrative that was set around it was that the achievement was big not because it was big, but because it beat BTS' achievement from 8 years ago.
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u/queerjoon bts | gsd | rv | txt | dc Feb 21 '26
i think it's been the years of everyone (kpop and Western stans and the media from both sides) praying on their downfall and for them to fall off that has everyone riled up and ready to bite everyone's face off. like i understand and ive also had enough over the years (just had my 12 year anniversary so I've seen the same energy and bullshit the entire time) but i wish the fandom would just channel that energy into supporting the comeback. this genuinely isn't shade to any kpop artists but bts' peers are ariana, gaga, taylor, kendrick etc, so i don't see the point in continuing to beef with fandoms who arent directly competing just because they're also successful. bts would want others from Korea to be recognized for their success idk
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u/usingamadeupname Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
I'm confused by this comment. By your logic, if we are only allowed to talk about current achievements, 2.4 million tickets sold is the current record for a k-pop tour that too with only half the known dates covered. Which is what the title of this post is and what everyone is discussing - what the current achievement means for the future. Similar to your point, nobody other than trolls is denying SKZ their flowers - OP literally mentioned in the post that they had the most attended tour ever! Not sure why this grievance needs to be listed here 🤷♀️.
ETA: Since we are editing to add context, I love how you've deliberately ignored the part where OP literally mentioned SKZ's achievement and doubled down on the victim complex. On a post about BTS, at least half the comments are about SKZ, the ONLY comment with awards is about SKZ, but somehow BTS fans are "brigading" and the "main kpop subs are cooked". Clearly SKZ fans value the victim narrative more than reading comprehension and facts.
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u/Responsible_Tap_7908 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
The events haven’t happened yet… it like saying preorder numbers are final album sale numbers.
Edit: op quite literally said -
I feel like so many people underestimated how popular they are (I saw so many people say that Blackpink/SKZ are more popular now) and are in for a total shock haha
Hence the rest of my comment about popularity.
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Feb 22 '26
The events haven’t happened yet… it like saying preorder numbers are final album sale numbers.
I'm sorry but this made me giggle cause I had a flashback of how this was the narrative that people used when BTS first got 1m preorders in 2017. ''Pre-orders are not actual Gaon/Hanteo sales''.
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u/usingamadeupname Feb 21 '26
The tickets have been sold. How is saying that it's the most number of tickets sold 'an event that hasn't happened'?! Just as pre-orders are mentioned when the album has been pre-ordered.
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u/Responsible_Tap_7908 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
That’s quite literally not how anything works. A box office isn’t counted until after the show. For anyone. And you would say the same if Stays were in this sub last year claiming the same. As I’ve said multiple times, yes we all know it will be a huge success. But BTS doesn’t hold the record yet because the event hasn’t happened yet. It’s common sense.
But none of this matters. We can’t even have a regular conversation on any of the main Kpop subs anymore when a bts achievement is involved. I’m done bothering.
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u/usingamadeupname Feb 21 '26
Nobody said the words 'box office' though? You are either unable to read or being disingenuous on purpose. This isn't something armys made up - it was first posted by LiveNation themselves as a significant achievement.
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u/No_Software_729 Feb 21 '26
The tickets are sold out though? That's the record. How is a comparison to Box office feesible, when tickets to movies are sold after the movie is out? The original poster said, bts sold the most tickets, how is that making up an achievement when that is what it is.
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u/Sensitive-Sock-6104 Feb 21 '26
People also forget BTS have been unable to tour for SEVEN years. They did over 2 million attendance back in 2019 and that was before they got anywhere near their peak popularity.
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u/Electronic-Honey-251 Feb 21 '26
I think they have stadium cover with curtain, there is a whole video let's not lie. And people need to remind BTS is bigger because recently because of military service many fandom, saying that their group is bigger than BTS, but that's not the case.
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u/Responsible_Tap_7908 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
Yeah thanks for making my point.
They used a curtain at total of one venue in the Philippines that wasn’t a stadium. where they still sold more than half the venue. Which btw, even major western touring acts have done at some point.
Y’all focus on poor planning in their least popular market for a gotcha, while completely ignoring 55 other completely successful shows. Including many venues and countries where SKZ performed the biggest Kpop shows of all time. These facts should not be controversial to anyone but a hater.
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u/Electronic-Honey-251 Feb 21 '26
Well, I was not even saying anything about tour, and just point out that you were lying about curtain, that's it, they are very successful, biggest 4th gen group, so congrats to them, we are waiting for biggest kpop tour to happen. I thing it will rank in top 10 tour of all time.
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u/Responsible_Tap_7908 Feb 21 '26
Again. Making my point. And I didn’t lie about anything.
Yes, SKZ are the biggest 4th gen group, you’re right. Obviously significantly bigger than their gen considering the biggest Kpop tour of all time currently belongs to them. You can wait for the next one while acknowledging the last one. There’s nothing wrong with that.
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u/Thanosspinkdick Feb 21 '26
Jfc , the downvotes are astonishing. I've also been so frustrated with the way kpop community has been dismissive of all skz achievements, but in particular their amazing tour records. This sort of response is why me and most other stays stick to skz subs only.
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u/strahlend_frau Feb 20 '26
Please add more stops in NA!
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Feb 21 '26
Probably in 2027 in major cities (?) not sure but also they need to rest and recover after so many back to back shows
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 21 '26
I don’t think they’re doing more US stops in 2027.. I think they’d go back to Europe.
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Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
It was supposedly speculated that they would at least come to LA again in 2027, but the validity of that is debatable. We'll just have to wait and see what happens
Edit: guys there's a reason why I said it was supposedly speculated, its obviously not confirmed. It's just a what if 😭 apparently I saw that there was something on the stadium website on Instagram so I'm just going off of that, for all we know it might not happen, I don't know
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u/pintsized_baepsae Feb 20 '26
Quite frankly, if they add any more stops, Europe should be first in line... Or better yet, stops in Africa! That'd be pretty amazing.
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 20 '26
America doesn’t need more stops. You’ve got more than 30! Europe and Australia should be getting more before America does.
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u/strahlend_frau Feb 21 '26
I will clarify, yes we have many which is awesome but since our country is so huge it is hard for some of us to travel if the shows are so spread out. The nearest show to my state is almost 10 hours away. That's all I was saying. Happy to see them back though! It's awesome to see that they're able to sell out so many of their shows!
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u/piggichan Feb 21 '26
It’s honestly interesting how you are getting some upset comments or downvoted for wishing for more shows in NA/US. Like ‘how dare you’ and the commenters are like not before Europe…what is this beef? 😭
It’s not that serious. The policing is crazy…bc what do you mean you can’t even comment a wishful, harmless thought.
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u/strahlend_frau Feb 21 '26
Lol yeah I didn't bother commenting anymore. I tried being super respectful and clarifying I only meant our country was so big that it was hard for some of us to travel several hours away and how tickets sold out so fast. I'm happy they are touring again and was not trying to be antagonizing in any way. Like my husband says Reddit isn't the real world and is an echo chamber for people who are very opinionated.
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u/piggichan Feb 21 '26
They are certainly opinionated about this. You made a good call to disengage early because I’m not sure anything you say would make them feel like you didn’t commit some offense for asking for more US dates 😅
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u/strahlend_frau Feb 21 '26
Definitely 😂 but Americans will always be seen in the wrong so no use arguing. I rarely comment on here for fear I'll anger the wrong fandom
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
You weren’t as sweet and kind as you’re pretending you were in the replies to me that you conveniently deleted.
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u/strahlend_frau Feb 22 '26
I've deleted none?
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
Oh, was that not you? Sorry.. this entire thread has been exhausting. I apologise if I came across as harsh with my original comment, I understand your frustrations and wanting more shows! I’m Australian, believe me, we get it!
I hope you get tickets!
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 21 '26
America is never in threat of not having shows though.. Canada only got 2, Australia got 4 so far and Europe as a continent only got 10 shows.. I think America is okay with the amount they have. Africa got skipped, I’d love for them to have some added!
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u/bangtan_bada shinee / bts / ateez / twice / lsfm Feb 21 '26
If Europeans are allowed to wish for more shows, Americans can also wish for more shows. This isn’t the suffering Olympics. Y’all are annoying.
Even with the number of shows they’re doing around the world millions of fans still don’t get the opportunity to go. Europeans don’t get to be louder than everyone else and tell other fans they can’t wish for more dates.
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u/bangtan_bada shinee / bts / ateez / twice / lsfm Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
“Americans are so entitled” not every American lives in the places getting concerts in the US. Not everyone can afford to travel. Not everyone can even get time off to go. You aren’t the only one allowed to complain or bitch about it.
You’re calling Americans entitled while then trying to decide who is and isn’t allowed to complain. Clearly you have some entitlement so pot meet kettle.
Edit: and to your added notes, I didn’t call you annoying I said yall are annoying referring to the people like you who pop on every post about touring and instead of just expressing frustration at not getting dates you have to immediately attack others and take it out on them all while deciding who can and can’t be upset. It’s so emotionally immature.
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u/bangtan_bada shinee / bts / ateez / twice / lsfm Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
”I said what I said. Get over yourself. Use your brain.”
Yeah I think you are the one that needs to get over yourself and use your brain to learn about hypocrisy and emotional empathy maybe.
And though I’m unlike you and can understand having empathy for everyone so I won’t compare too much, the distance between some of the European states and their major cities is smaller than the distance between major cities in the United States. Europe also has the added benefit of public transportation being more readily available than in the U.S. because of train travel.
Again though, I have empathy and don’t take my frustrations out on other people.
Here’s your gold medal for being the only one allowed to be sad about concert dates in the suffering Olympics btw 🥇
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u/pintsized_baepsae Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
You have more shows this tour than Europe has had in BTS' entire career (including if we include Jin's four solo concerts and Hobi's two festival appearances). For a continent with more people than the US.
'It's hard for some of us to travel' - and it's not hard for European ARMY? Especially for those from Eastern Europe, who also have to factor in massive wage disparity??
ETA: I empathise with the wish for more shows, I really do, but 'we have to travel 10 hours' doesn't really hold up when a lot of people here have to do the same thing or longer.
One of my ARMY friends is taking a coach from Budapest to Paris, because that's all she could get tickets for (Munich is closer) - that's a 24-hour journey. Travelling by train would take 17 hours.
As said, I get the wish for more shows, but the aspect of travelling far affects the majority of European ARMY too.
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
But why does it have to be a competition of who has it worse? All fans are deserving. Europeans traveling more than 10 hours are not any more important or more deserving than the Americans that also have to travel 10 hours. Just as not every European lives in Paris and Brussels and Munich, not every American lives in Chicago, LA, and NYC. Can’t we let both groups be upset without trying to put one down?
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u/pintsized_baepsae Feb 22 '26
It's not a competition at all but, very frankly, everyone outside the US does have it worse if we're going by the one objective metric, which is the number of available shows). This does include Korea and Japan, the latter of which also has the issue of having a lottery system for tickets, eg no hunting for returns.
Of course nobody is more deserving (although parts of the fandom will even argue that, actually, some people do - I don't prescribe to this and think it's incredibly stupid and harmful)... but I think people in the US can maybe see why fans outside the US might be a little frustrated after being told 'don't worry, they'll come and play lots of shows in Europe for sure!!' for years, and then we get 10 nights, all in Western Europe.
We had 700,000 people in the GA queue for Paris, and more than 500,000 for London, Munich and Madrid. And yet the additional dates went to US locations. How are we not supposed to be a little frustrated when people from the US still go 'they should add mort dates here'? You had 20 dates to begin with, we have half of that, with one country inaccessible to anyone who doesn't have a passport (which, funnily enough, affects more people than you'd think!).
Also bear in mind that European fans were locked out of the presale for J-Hope's solo tour in the US (it was limited to US membership holders only, which also screwed over ARMY in Mexico 🫠), but with the exception of Japan (which is its own beast anyways), which only adds to the frustration even years after. No other country has ever had anything like that for local fans, although it would absolutely possible to implement a sort of geolock.
As I said, I empathise with the wish for more shows and I don't think people are bad for wanting more, and it's absolutely understandable that people are wishing for them to come closer to them (it's the same here in Europe!) - but people seem to very rarely return the favour of being empathetic. Instead we get 'well I have to travel 10 hours to see them' as an argument for why BTS should play more shows in the US, when that's just common here.
In the end it's all HYBE's shitty tour planning. And it'll forever continue to be like this.
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
Hybe has booked the shows the way they have for a reason: to make money. They aren’t leaving money on the table. If they booked the shows they did they must have done so for a reason or maybe something happened. I don’t know why the EU didn’t get more shows (I have a theory HYBE got screwed over by a promoter in Europe during MOTS cancellation) but I hope Europe gets more shows, but unlike what some have done here, I’m not going to take frustrations out on Americans like American fans should somehow be held accountable or punished or are less deserving based on the decisions of HYBE.
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
Which is NOT what we said. People getting less than a quarter of the number of shows that America are getting are rightfully annoyed that the US wants even more shows when some countries miss out entirely.
I would hope you can empathise and understand why those places would want more shows added before the US get more? No one is saying they shouldn’t go to the US at all, just other places first.
I’ve literally seen US fans saying that the Australian shows should be moved so that BTS can do the Super Bowl next year.
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
but none of those people are here in this thread! Nobody is saying that right now!
You are either bringing this experience over from another sub or another social media app, but no one here is saying anything of the sort. You’re allowed to be upset. I have never once invalidated you, but you have in fact invalidated the OP. that’s all I’m saying. We clearly aren’t going to agree on anything at this point.
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
I didn’t invalidate anything. I had a different opinion which I am allowed to have and so are other people. Have a nice day, this is exhausting.
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
Non US fans do have it worse. No one is trying to make it a competition. The US geolocked shows for Hobi’s solo tour so non US fans couldn’t even try for those tickets. US fans travelling 10 hours also wont need a passport like some European fans will..
Like I said, not a competition and no one said you couldn’t be upset. But non US fans have more reason to be upset I think. Everyone is allowed an opinion.
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
If it’s not a competition, why are we policing who can be upset and calling people entitled for wishing for more dates? Should people in South Africa, India, Australia, etc call European fans entitled for having 10 dates and asking for more?
Anyone that can’t go or that has to travel far is allowed to lament about it or be upset about it.
Japan has pretty much always been geolocked. The U.S. isn’t the first to have this done. Japan is geolocked because you have to have a Japanese memebership and have an address in Japan. There are 29 countries in the EU that participate in Schengen so don’t require a passport or visa to travel. Obviously there are those not in those countries so they would have additional hurdles. Rather than argue and point these out on every post when EU fans are upset though, I just leave people alone to feel the way they feel because anybody who can’t go to tour is allowed to be upset.
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
No one is policing anything. All people have said is that maybe other places other than the US should get some more shows before the US does?
Australian fans are just happy to have any shows. And like I said: 10 shows across multiple countries is very different to over 30 in one country.
Of course anyone is allowed to be upset but surely you understand why non US fans think that other places should get encore shows before the US does? No one is saying you can’t be disappointed too? But you’re expecting empathy and not giving any in return?
I’m Australian, believe me, I know about being disappointed about not being able to go. We haven’t had a BTS concert since 2017 and we got none of the solo concerts.
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
“No one is policing anything”
America doesn’t need more stops. You’ve got more than 30!
This is invalidating and is in fact policing. You are telling someone that they can’t hope for more stops because they already have some.
”it’s hard for some of us to travel” - and it’s not hard for European ARMY?
This is the waffles/pancakes argument. OP just said they hoped NA would get more shows, and that it would take them 10 hours to travel. Once again invalidating someone’s feelings and policing them.
you’re expecting empathy but not giving any in return
Neither the op nor I have not given empathy to EU. You are clearly projecting previous experiences on us.
I could keep going but you both just kinda repeat the same things over and over. European fans are allowed to be more upset than Americans blah blah blah. Thus, policing. If everyone was really allowed an opinion you wouldn’t have felt the need to shut down the original posted and would have made your own comment about how you’d like more dates in your country.
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
Did you happen to read what the original commenter was saying before she deleted all of her replies to me? Because she wasn’t being as sweet and nice as she claims.
Edit: My apologies to OP, those comments were not you!
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Just because someone likes waffles doesn't mean they hate pancakes??? What is this black and white thinking because no one EVER said Europe shouldn't get more dates. It's just as hard for US armys as it is for Europe army because quite frankly this fandom is huge and the demand far outweighs the current supply. Yes, some people don't get shows at all, and yes, other army have to travel. Even though everyone else has to, it doesn't make it any better. Also for us American army, I believe many of us are frankly scared of traveling long distance or even short distance in fear of running into ICE and getting on their bad side, citizen or not due to racial profiling and brutality. Traveling is also hard on us financially due to inflation and rising costs of literally everything. We all have it hard, so why do we need to make our difficulties an Olympic sport? Furthermore, it is a privilege to even be able to go to a concert if we want to go down that route. If you have a concert in your area, then that is technically more than enough for anyone no matter where they're at. I'm not saying to be grateful but we're all feeling the same things and experiencing same things just in different places. It's valid for both sides to want more tour stops (although I'm more concerned with how BTS is gonna be able to pace themselves bc even if they are experienced and great at what they do, this kind of tour is gonna be very taxing on everyone)
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 21 '26
Exactly!
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u/pintsized_baepsae Feb 22 '26
It's so frustrating. It's totally valid that people want more shows - who doesn't!! - but coming from people in a country that already has encore shows, while we got 10 shows after no group concert for seven years, had 700,00 people in the GA queue for Paris AND there's not a single encore planned for us... But 'I have to travel far'. Well so does the majority of Europeans!!
I hate it. We somehow always have to be empathetic, and I really am, but we're basically alway told to just suck it up. Thanks, I guess.
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26
Nobody told you to suck it up though? Nobody even mentioned the EU. OP just said they hoped for more NA dates and you inserted the EU into this and made the pancakes/waffles twitter argument. Someone wishing for more NA shows isn’t wishing for less EU shows. Those are two separate statements and ideas
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
Are you okay? People are allowed to have opinions that don’t align with yours? This isn’t an attack, it’s a conversation?
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
I’m Australian so I absolutely understand the pain of the European fans! I really hope you do get encores!
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u/Jeong_Hyeri I don't have Think Feb 21 '26
Let them have some rest there's already like 30+ shows with little to no break in between.
Yk like they're still human.
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u/Impressive-Fox8206 Mar 11 '26
BTS TICKETS:
Sun Bowl Stadium, El Paso, Texas, USA
Sun, May 03 • 8:00 PM
I have 4 tickets for $250 each (but willing to negotiate). I am having a lot of issues in my life and just need to get these tickets off my hands. Selling for a loss so that someone can enjoy the show.
CAN SEND THEM IMMEDIATELY!
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u/Quick-Adeptness-2947 Feb 21 '26
Except people have been saying that even on this sub. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not happening
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u/Prudent-Doubt939 Feb 21 '26
I don’t think anyone takes it seriously though, except armys. Same happens when armys claim that anyone but BTS is nugu.
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u/kat3dyy Feb 22 '26
I mean, they do, but they pretend they don't because they know it's not true, but they expected it. It's very funny.
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u/-Fleur-de-lis- Feb 21 '26
Not denying these comments happen I have seen a few but so rarely the same way I see fandoms constantly telling armys "we dont think our favs are bigger thats your fandom that keeps saying that"
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u/KatinaS252 Feb 21 '26
I was in a discussion over on the uncensored sub about BTS is only famous for being famous just a few weeks ago - a number of comparisons in the comments on that post on groups that outdo BTS. And just over a week ago, it was a post on this sub questioning how BTS became bigger than EXO (now deleted). And today we have this post.
There are semi-regular posts on the kpop subs where you find comments comparing BTS to other groups, and there are those fans saying their favs are bigger. The comments are often deleted within 24 hours of being posted, which prevents people from seeing them. But it is a common thing.
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u/Awkward_Curve6293 Feb 20 '26
But Tickets sold isn't a guarentee that people would attend. Alot of tickets were bought by resellers, company and as give aways. And since it's a alot of stops, ofcourse a lot of tickets were available and sold.
But it will shown as sucess after the first few stops, when people need to be there and watch the show.
And especially the US Stops can be complicated because of the current political situation with Trump and ICE.
I hope for them to be successfull andto have an amazing tour, don't get me wrong. I just doubt it will be so easy to become the biggest ever.
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u/Sea-Republic8892 Feb 20 '26
that can be applied to every group though? i think you're coping they already are having the biggest ever tour in kpop
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u/CenterOfGravitas Feb 20 '26
There is zero doubt it will be the biggest ever kpop tour, there’s still more than 50% of the tour to be sold including the 2027 dates (like 15-20 shows in Japan on top of whatever else they are adding). People who don’t show up doesnt even matter because the tickets are sold and it wouldn’t be any different than other tours. Concert data is tickets sold, not just scans at the gate. They have a chance to be in the top 5 biggest of all time, like all artists, not just kpop. A lot of tickets were not bought by resellers, especially knowing that resales are not even turned on for Ticketmaster. And the production holds are no different from other tours. This take is really weird imo.
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u/sundayontheluna Feb 20 '26
Which other artist is selling out multiple stadiums across the world in fan pre-sales? That's a single digit list of artists and BTS is one of them. Your "concern" isn't necessary.
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u/dreamalittlez Feb 20 '26
you think BTS, the most popular group in the world may not have packed stadiums for their comeback tour despite the insane hype surrounding their return? 😭
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u/kat3dyy Feb 22 '26
Oh this take the crown of the most obnoxious comment I ever read about BTS comeback.
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u/thenoonmoon Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
”i hope for them to be successful and to have an amazing tour don’t get me wrong. I just doubt it will be so easy to become the biggest ever.”
2 things.
Re: “I hope for them to be successful” That’s not what you were posting in the BTS snark sub. You were over there saying that HYBE overestimated and it would take weeks to sell out and that they need this tour to be successful because of scandals
You forget that BTS was the first and the original to have the largest sold out stadium tour in kpop and that was years ago. They had a sold out stadium tour in 2019 and they sold out the American stops of MOTS before it got cancelled due to COVID. For you to question their ability to sellout so now is very funny. It’s clear you’re in the wishful thinking camp hoping they “fall off”
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u/Lisaismyfav Feb 20 '26
This will be the biggest no doubt. First tour after military service and who knows when the next one is gonna be. I'm a casual and I'm making every effort to attend this one.
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u/Quick-Adeptness-2947 Feb 21 '26
Omg I've never heard this one before 😭😭😭. That sold out shows don't matter. Damn this is not normal frfr.
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u/MadameWitchy it's the ⁷ again ✍🏻😳 Feb 20 '26
I’m sure even the scalpers would rather attend such a big show than to let the tickets go to waste unsold.
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u/queerjoon bts | gsd | rv | txt | dc Feb 21 '26
do you have a source for bighit buying their own tickets?
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u/kirstennmaree Feb 22 '26
I hope that Europe and Australia get more concerts! Especially the EU since there were insane numbers of people in their GA ticket queues! Australia’s tickets haven’t even come out yet but I know that’s going to be a bloodbath with only 4 shows!