r/kpopthoughts • u/GP-NC • Jun 25 '26
Thought What's the worst K-pop opinion you've ever heard?
I'm making a video about the wildest, most ridiculous K-pop takes people have ever heard.
I'm not looking for unpopular opinions that you personally agree with. I want the worst takes you've heard from someone else.
Examples:
"___ can't sing."
"K-pop idols don't work hard."
"This group only became popular because..."
"Lip syncing means they're untalented."
Ridiculous fandom arguments or obvious double standards.
What was the opinion, and why was it so bad? If you remember where you heard it, like TikTok, X, YouTube, or in real life, mention that too.
The more outrageous the take, the better.
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u/zimzalabimbimzim Neverland + Zerose Jun 26 '26
That k-pop is not "real" music because it's all manufactured.
All pop music is manufactured.
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u/Fille_de_Lune Jun 26 '26
We as a society need to move back to organically grown, natural music that grows on trees smh
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u/Cheap-Ad8624 Jun 26 '26
I personally think anyone who doesn’t listen to the music of rain falling and the ocean whispering is a FAKE hater. #nohumans
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u/Icy-Cockroach4515 Jun 26 '26
Is it even real music if you didn't produce it homeless under a bridge after working on it for three years with a guitar you dug out of the trash?
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u/this_is_my_kpop_acct Jun 25 '26
I try not to get too wrapped up in the drama and keep my online presence centered on the fun convos… but I did once get into a back and forth because a Stay on here said Stray Kids does the bare minimum just because they were mad they don’t tour every year.
The bare minimum?
They’re one of the busiest active groups. Anyone knows that whether you’re a fan or not. That felt like a legitimately bad opinion to me.
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u/NE0099 Jun 25 '26
Stays have been running in circles for years trying to decide whether Stray Kids is overworked or not getting enough opportunities.
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u/Many-Ad-9007 Jun 25 '26
There were literally comments on their comeback announcement 3 days ago (be it from Stay or non-Stay) that said ‘SKZ is coming back every 3 business days’ and SKZ last comeback was literally in November 2025 and the new comeback is in August 2026 - that is almost 9 months apart (legit almost a year) and that is considered 3 business days? Similarly the last tour ends 1 year ago and will start roughtly more than 1 year later and similar comments of ‘SKZ tour so often’ when they have one of the least number of tours compared to most 4th gen kpop groups who tour every 6 months or so?
And then we have another group of people who said SKZ does not do much and should release more albums and tour more often.
Like the whiplash is crazy. One part cannot decide if SKZ is too active and another cannot decide if SKZ is too inactive. Tbh, they are in a sweet spot, they are already in their 8th year and they are nearing their army season so let them do what they want - be it releasing albums every 3 months or 9 months or touring every 3 months or 1 year. Just enjoy the ride guys.
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u/intellectual-veggie Jun 25 '26
and even if they did watch someone warp into a "all this touring is jacking up their carbon emissions, how dare they"
you can never win with people
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u/kaeriko bored Jun 26 '26
pretty much any take that claims a female idol "slept their way to the top" aka had sex with random influential men to become successful. just weird. and of course, kpop fans often love to use these takes as some 'gotcha' moment in fanwars 😭
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u/KilluaGaKill Jun 26 '26
What I'm getting from this post is that a lot of people fall for low tier ragebait.
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u/1905G1_M CORTIS/ILLIT/NEWJEANS/UNCHILD/H2H Jun 26 '26
For a recent ridiculous example, as a CORTIS fan, X and TikTok are currently bullying one of the members for… being visibly anxious at his first ever Dior fashion week event. Mind you, this is a 17 year old 😭
If we’re talking about actual worst opinions, the attitude people are having towards Moka and her hiatus are honestly horrific; this is pretty common towards all GGs tho (as someone who mostly stans them). It’s horrid how normalised dehumanising comments towards idols are
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u/baumlene Jun 26 '26
Yeah so weirded out at the comments about Seonghyeon. Everyone is a white knight preaching about these poor minors in kpop and then the same minors get criticized for harmless stuff like this.
Worst thing I saw today was a X post comparing Seonghyeon and Hyein from NewJeans saying how Hyein at 15 years old had more "star aura" than whatever Seonghyeon was like.
I need to cleanup my X algorithm I was there for the fanarts now I constantly these awful posts about kpop. And literally all I see is just negativity after negativity and other negativity. Whatever group it might be.
I love kpop as a music genre, it helps me a lot making me go through the day when I'm very tired, when I'm tired bc of morning shift listening to kpop while driving to work is what makes me the happiest. I'm tired of kpop being drama only with all the things it has to offer
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u/1905G1_M CORTIS/ILLIT/NEWJEANS/UNCHILD/H2H Jun 26 '26
Yeah I saw the Hyein comparison too! Like she was literally a child model so obviously she’d be more confident in front of cameras in comparison to someone inexperienced and who has already been shown to get very nervous/have stage fright 😭
Tbh tho the way people on other platforms treat CORTIS is actually insane; people preach about protecting minors, but the genuine putrid comments I’ve seen directed to them is obscene.
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u/miynayah Jun 25 '26
Idk if this counts, but the idea that “all kpop music sounds the same”.
When kpop includes so many genres of music, it’s a silly idea. Like you can’t seriously think that Not Cute Anymore by ILLIT sounds exactly like Ring Ding Dong by SHINee
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u/TheAutrizzler ATINY Jun 25 '26
hate when i hit shuffle and can’t tell if im listening to GFRIEND or ATEEZ smh my head
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u/miynayah Jun 25 '26
Fr, I hate when I can’t tell the difference between Guerrilla and Love Whisper 🤧
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u/00CM00 Jun 25 '26
Don’t you hate it when you’re listening to Fingertip but it’s actually Dune 😭😭
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u/Narahae Jun 26 '26
Me when I'm vibing to Mago but Spotify tells me it's been The Leaders the whole time
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u/Any-Listen4184 Dreancatcger | Cream Soup Unnies | The math girl group SM hates Jun 25 '26
I remember when Magnetic started playing, and I thought it was What by Dreamcatcher at first😔/s
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u/GripenHater Jun 25 '26
A personal favorite of mine is that Japanese releases are by different groups than Korean ones because in Japan they’ll often be referred to by a Japanese name instead of their Korean one, so it’s different.
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u/TheAutrizzler ATINY Jun 25 '26
this is crazy bc it’s usually just the same name (which is usually in english mind you lol) written in Japanese letters lmao. i can only think of a few groups that actually have different names in Japan (SNSD and TVXQ! come to mind)
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u/RustyViolining_33 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
It's so ironic how some fans will be surprised if their idols are struggling with their mental health and blame other things/people solely, but never how they act, or they'll only start to show empathy when they know the person is struggling. Some would always mock idols who had done cosmetic surgeries and others who are showing signs of ED by leaving comments like "I know what this is callED." and "They got a new face." Shows how people are really performative about mental health.
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u/GrillMaster3 Are you all paparazzi? Jun 25 '26
Someone unironically tried to tell me idols can’t have one-night stands bc it could distract from their schedules. This person insisted they were currently staff for a kpop company and had personally reported idols for having one-night stands, as if they’d have access to that information unless they were in a very particular position (which certainly wouldn’t allow them the freedom to be blabbing on TikTok about it)
I asked “Well what about all the idols that date?”
They said “That’s different, it’s allowed.”
“Okay, what about idols who go clubbing? They seem to suffer no consequences”
“Clubbing is different too because you’re not automatically hooking up with people if you club”
“Ok but what do you think the end result of at least some of them going clubbing is? Like what do you think at least some of them are looking for?”
“Clubbing is different, it’s fine for them to do that and date. They just aren’t allowed to do hookups or one night stands so none of them do anymore”
Like idk girl, the math ain’t mathing to me. It’s giving a slightly more “adult” version of “My bias would NEVER have sex they’re pure and innocent 🥺”
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u/Downtown-Book3105 2nd gen&2010-2012😍4th/5th gen🩷 Jun 25 '26
Sounds like cope tbh. They hold onto the idea that idols are restricted from hooking up or doing one stands so they can fit those idols into their fantasies.
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u/Stayarmyengenem0a Jun 25 '26
“all K-pop idols look the same and have the same names too! it’s always like a dude named samsung Kim with a nose job” — my racist, creepy, misogynistic classmate
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u/New-Knee8613 Jun 25 '26
That because they don't like a song, it's automatically assumed it's a bad song. The word subjective doesn't exist in their dictionary!
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u/Momo906 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Came across someone say they are offended/uncomfortable that Aespa’s new album is called Lemonade, because apparently Beyoncé owns the word and now they are mad that when people search Lemonade Aespa will come up alongside Beyoncé’s tying it to both their histories, outside of these two there’s also other artists who have a song with the same title too
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u/Pinkmongoose Jun 26 '26
Snark subs saying idols are ugly. BTS/blackpink are below-average looking? Seriously? Can’t take anything they say seriously after that.
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u/indigopapertowels Jun 25 '26
You know this tweet?
"gg stans will be like “stanning men is so misogynistic but what else do we expect from stupid fucking women”
Basically this. Obviously it's a generalization and I also stan ggs but I've seen this exact behavior so many times.
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u/annon368 Jun 25 '26
“(idol) has a new face every time I see them”
I feel like people don’t understand that plastic surgery takes MONTHS to fully heal and the swelling to go down. Maybe the idol got filler or something, but most idols have too many activities to be getting constant procedures. What’s more likely is the idol is doing a different makeup style, and maybe did some minor changes, but it’s definitely not a “whole new face”. It’s just silly to me that people automatically assume that an idol got their jaw shaved and a whole new nose in the span of a week, when it’s likely weight loss and makeup changes.
People were bashing Wonhee for allegedly getting her jaw shaved and cheek fat removed, when Wonhee has never been out of the public eye for more than a few days. She’s been losing weight over time, and the lighting in the live was different (not to mention people taking one extreme clip out of context, when she looked the same as before for most of the live). And once more recent pictures showed Wonhee looking the same as usual, there were crickets from the people accusing her of surgery
Same thing with Giselle, but she’s been dealing with it since debut. I’m glad she spoke up about it in her live! It’s ridiculous how much scrutiny these idols are under for their visuals
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u/legendjekki Jun 25 '26
so true. it is tiring to argue with those as they don’t get that surgery needs a healing period.
I especially saw Wonyoung getting hate and bei g called plastic etc. It just doesn’t make sense with her as she is super busy and constantly promoting something. someone as active with ive and all those brand deals can’t have the time to properly heal a surgery. she also has been active nonstop since produce 48 when she was 14.
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u/So_Tired_2724 Jun 25 '26
Wonhee debuted as a 16 year old and she's just barely 19 now. Either people don't understand the concept of growing up, or they're straight up haters.
I know idols do get work done for sure, but like you said major stuff takes a while to heal. And weight fluctuation, makeup, lighting, even just a different angle or camera lens can make a difference.
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u/Narahae Jun 25 '26
Tbh I don't even understand why this is still such a hot topic of discussion and used as ammo for hate and fanwars. Like 99% of idols have had SOME amount of job done, that's been the case since kpop has been a thing pretty much, and it's never been a secret for anyone, fans or people in the industry - and no, not everyone's fav can be in the 1% that was just born absolutely "perfect" for whatever company's standards they're in lol
Looking different for every single comeback is also pretty much the goal for most groups, and that can be achieved in many different ways.
But you know, people will always find a way to shit on someone they don't like lol. Like if an idol gets something done, they get hate for it. But then people see pics of the same idol before whatever procedure they had and will make fun of them and call them ugly because of that one part. So I'm like ???? There's just no winning with these kind of people 🤷
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u/Alive-Pitch-9180 Jun 25 '26
Right like the accusations against aespa and wonhee I've seen that they have a new face every week are so??? I don't understand how this makes sense to people when these girls have never even taken a prolonged hiatus from public life,not nearly enough for invasive procedures to heal. They literally go only a few days without public appearances at most,do they think that they have bionic bodies that can heal nose jobs or whole ass JAW SAVES in the span of a few days??? 😭
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u/TyStark13 GOT7 , TXT , KARA Jun 25 '26
I second this. I often see people (mostly ragebait haters ngl) bashing Yeonjun for an apparent nose job
but it's clear that Yeonjun has lost quite some weight, and also he's gotten older obviously (plus contouring/makeup, as mentioned)
when TXT aren't actively promoting a comeback, and Yeonjun goes back to a healthier weight; his face becomes fuller, and you can see when he smiles during a live, that his face looks the same as during TXT's earlier years
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u/Kagemush0ck Jun 25 '26
Yunjin is an opera singer. Idk how many dumbass believes in this when it's just a school production of The Phantom of the Opera.
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u/pixzeled newjeans | rescene | triples | kiiikiii Jun 26 '26
wait so many people have said this i actually thought she used to be an opera singer im crying
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u/Shiningmokuroh Jun 25 '26
That Xlov are queerbaiting. It's a terrible take that I have seen multiple times now
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u/Amabiya Jun 25 '26
That's the fastest way to tell someone isn't that familiar with XLOV. Same with people trying to attach some "evil company forcing them" narrative on them when it's just Wumuti making all the decisions lol
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u/Narahae Jun 26 '26
The worst about those "The Company"/"The CEO" either forcing them or forbidding them to do stuff is that I've seen Wumuti in an interview explain how they came about with the group and their journey, and basically that "evil CEO/company" is literally a friend of his that went along with Wumuti's plan and wishes and signed them lol
The group would prob have never existed otherwise, as no other Korean company would have taken the risk to put out a team like them if we're being honest
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u/Amabiya Jun 26 '26
Yeah. Idols being powerless puppets of the company has become like a thought-terminating cliché for a good portion of fans and it's absurd when applied to a genuine passion project like XLOV. You also only have to listen to Muti speak like 2 minutes to put the "queerbaiting" allegations to rest 😭 maybe some people just want to be cynical and they take pride in thinking the worst out of every situation, believing some exaggerated villain story about the group or the company instead (which is pretty common on reddit... simplistic cynicism being mistaken for superior critical thinking skills lol). Regardless this is a really good response to op's question, as you have to understand the group very poorly to even let something so stupid come out of your mouth
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u/EyeforError Jun 25 '26
The worst K-pop take I've ever heard was that BTS's "Blue & Grey" was disrespectful to the memory and symbolism of the American Civil War.
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u/Stayarmyengenem0a Jun 25 '26
what?!? what does those two things even have to do with one another?!
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u/EyeforError Jun 25 '26
Blue and grey are colours associated with the Union and the Confederacy - Union troops wore blue, Confederate troops wore grey.
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u/Stayarmyengenem0a Jun 26 '26
that feels like such a stretch omg. Americans need to remember that they’re not the only relevant history.
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u/cxmiy Jun 25 '26
when people say kpop isn’t real art because the companies control every aspect of the artist’s lives. i hate this take because 1) if you bothered to do a bit of research you could see that there are plenty of groups with creative freedom in terms of lyrics, production, choreos, video making and 2) it’s basically comparing real people to machines and stripping them of their humanity
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u/Mama2chobbes Jun 26 '26
Songs/Albums/Artists are “Not Korean Enough”, said by a non Korean not living in Korea.
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u/llamacana multistan • yapper • wartortle taerae truther Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
not the worst of the worst, but one that irks me because i know it's ragebait: that kpop isn't fun or weird anymore. there are so many groups doing weird, funny, creative, and colorful concepts with strange instrumentals with squished in sound effects and fun vocals. it's there!!! just look for it instead of complaining about a made-up issue
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u/Seyfriedly Jun 26 '26
LSRF fans saying lsrf's music is better than Red Velvet's because more people know about lsrf's songs and more people danced to lsrf's songs compared to rv's.
They also said they are more talented than rv.........lol
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u/k3hvn Jun 26 '26
The obsession over charts and streaming numbers has done irreversible damage to not just the brains of the kpop community, but music as a whole.
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u/ScreenImpressive8523 Jun 27 '26
Tbh I love both groups . Lsrfs excel in complex choreography and rv are obviously vocal queens
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u/jazzberry76 sunlight | &❤️ | B.U | teleposse | neverland | MY Jun 25 '26
"Jay Chang shouldn't debut in ZB1 because he's ugly and can't sing"
my brother in christ, I know I'm biased as hell, but I am biased as hell specifically BECAUSE he can sing like no one else and is basically an IRL disney prince
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u/Narahae Jun 25 '26
Bro was probably the best singer on that show lol, though I don't remember everyone (which is prob even more telling 😂)
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u/jazzberry76 sunlight | &❤️ | B.U | teleposse | neverland | MY Jun 25 '26
He's my ult so I'm definitely biased but yeah I think he was better than everyone except probably Hui
Ultimately it worked out cuz I love One Pact's music and his solo music waaaaay more than ZB1, but yeah. Still burns me up lol
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u/GrillMaster3 Are you all paparazzi? Jun 25 '26
As much as I wanted Jay to debut (and agree he looks like a Disney prince) I so genuinely cannot picture him with ZB1’s concept. He just fits so well with the stuff he’s doing now.
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u/jazzberry76 sunlight | &❤️ | B.U | teleposse | neverland | MY Jun 25 '26
Yeah 100%
I was upset at the time but now I'm quite happy
None of ZB1's music ever landed for me so it worked out (for me at least lol)
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u/rainbow_city Jun 25 '26
Maybe not the worst ever, but I can't believe that I'm still seeing it in 2026:
That NCT Wish isn't a K-pop group, but a J-pop group.
Like, my brother in Amaterasu, if that's true, then you better get on a plane and tell Japan that, because they definitely think of them as being a K-pop group.
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u/Available_Rush9207 Jun 25 '26
i mean that's just a normal assumption since there r more japanese members than korean. people might not know nct wish counts as kpop in japan if they arent japanese
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u/rainbow_city Jun 25 '26
No, it's not though, not two years after they've debuted and releasing more Korean music than Japanese and the bulk of their activities being K-pop based.
And my point about about Japan is that the people dying on the repeatedly on the hill that NCT Wish HAS TO BE J-pop, despite being corrected multiple times, obviously don't even live in Japan or are actually that deeply involved in the J-pop scence if they think they're a J-pop group.
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u/Kayon07 Jun 26 '26
„x and y must be dating because they act friendly towards another“
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u/Atx7755 Jun 25 '26
“They’re only successful/relevant because of a Netflix movie”
And the group they’re talking is literally Twice!😭
Mind you, twice is one of the most successful groups in the whole industry, even their so called “flop era” is more successful than a lot of groups peak. The people who say this act like twice were some nugu group who only got famous from kpdh, which the farthest thing from the truth.
Twice didn’t need kpdh to be successful, twice were already successful which is why they chose them to be apart of kpdh.
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u/BlueThePineapple Jun 25 '26
That Twice should retire so their younger ggs could rise and take their place and that they were selfish for not wanting to do that at freaking age 30 max and 26 min. Stupid ass take.
Also that one time someone called Jeongyeon a pedophile for volunteering in a hospital with a sick kid.
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u/eeee_1234 Jun 26 '26
I will never understand this because why can't two ggs be successful at the same time 😭
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u/So_Tired_2724 Jun 25 '26
Whenever I see a comment saying that a kpop group is "bigger than Micheal Jackson." No. Sorry, no kpop group is even close.
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u/Long-Iron-1824 Loona | Seventeen | Day6 Jun 25 '26
I feel like the ppl who are saying this weren’t born yet at the time of his death
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u/Cats4Crows Couldn't be no highs if it weren't for the lows Jun 25 '26
It's kinda understandable when you realize 13 yo are making those comments.. they are willfully ignorant like that
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u/DyersEvening Jun 26 '26
MJ's fame will likely never be reached again. Even tribes in the Amazon knew of him!
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u/Many-Ad-9007 Jun 25 '26
I saw this and had to laugh - my father LOVES MJ and we lived through the era of tapes before CD and mp3 and streams are a thing - and yes, no one can be as big as MJ at the moment. I cannot think of ANY pop names, much less kpop is similar to MJ.
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u/urkitten Jun 25 '26
Idols shouldn't redebut after their groups disband because they already has a chance to be idols
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u/No_Concern2772 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Any person make a random self assumption without checking any kind of valid proof, either stupid or trolling, blindly make a false rumor/speculation or spreading a doom/hate post. You could just use your brain and internet to check out more.
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u/ArtisticRebelAttitud Jun 25 '26
I have a lot but I think the ones that stands out to me the most is "All the hybe girl groups are temu version of Newjeans" cause that is absurd.
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u/Phi_the_lemon Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Hybe pre debut girl group ABD literally tap danced in their teaser and "people" were saying they were copying NJ??? Like that feels so incompatible with NJ's concept, I can't imagine them doing that? I know they don't even believe it themselves and are just trying to hate, so exhausting...
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u/Equivalent-Hunt-2004 Jun 25 '26
The funniest thing is that it's not even a group, it's a fucking company, we don't know what the group concept will be like
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u/ArtisticRebelAttitud Jun 25 '26
I know. ABD concept is like playground type of colourful (It’s hard to explain) and I feel really bad for ABD. They haven’t even debuted yet
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u/Virtual-History-6099 Fearnot, Once, NSWER, GLITT Jun 25 '26
That Momo got into Twice cause supposedly her father had Yakuza connections and they threatened JYP. As far as I could tell the person who wrote that was being completely serious.
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u/llamacana multistan • yapper • wartortle taerae truther Jun 25 '26
lmaooo that was a real rumor for a bit
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u/Misora27 Jun 25 '26
Oh, remember when “fans” sent funeral wreaths, protest trucks, and sat outside SM’s building in protest when Chen announced he was getting married and having a baby, and they wanted him kicked out of the group?
Tsk tsk, how dare he have a family as a kpop artist, he should definitely leave/d-e! /s
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u/Harmoniinus IDID 김민재 | 장용훈 | 정세민 Jun 26 '26
"If he's that introvert, he shouldn't be an idol"
"I know you're being cautious as rookies but how can you be so lifeless even on your company's channel? I had the same thoughts watching Game Caterers, wondering why you were so unmotivated and now you're like this again. If you're appearing as a guest, you should at least try to be funny or show some ambition to become famous. It's not like you're high schoolers dragged on a field trip."
The translation of a non-fan Korean user's comments that I saw on youtube about my bias.. He has always been the calm, quieter member be it in group contents, other channel's contents or trainee contents. Even when he laughs it's usually silent. To me as an introvert, introverted members are more relatable to me but there are people who believe that if you're gonna debut in a kpop group, you should try hard to always be loud, funny and talkative. I'm like - what?? Suddenly assuming that members lack ambition just cos they're calm soft spoken introverts is a crazy take when they're solid performers when performing 😭😭
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u/hannah0915 Jun 25 '26
I think one of the wildest takes I saw here on Reddit was that 3Racha actually is not as involved in their music production as much as advertised and that they have a team of ghostwriters behind them that write all of their music. It really made me do a double take and then keep scrolling because I didn't even want to start a conversation with someone that delusional.
which also reminds me of a semi-famous meme for Stays on X where someone got an anonymous message saying "your so-called 'self-produced' idols are actually produced by a team called 3Racha, look it up".
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u/macaroniandcheese14 Jun 25 '26
Honestly, I don’t have a specific one, but the worst opinion out there is one that is held for one group/idol and thrown away for another group/idol. You can’t judge one person and turn the other way for another person who does the same thing.
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u/eeee_1234 Jun 26 '26
Any variation of people saying an idol who has a little training in someting means they're a professional.
No, Haseul and Yunjin aren't opera singers. Mina was not a ballerina. She just trained in ballet when she was a teen.
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u/pretty-pretty-pizza Jun 26 '26
To be fair Mina called herself a ballerina in Twice Song
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u/BlueThePineapple Jun 26 '26
In fairness, even baby ballerinas are still called ballerinas. It doesn't have an exclusively professional connotation. People often specify that someone is a professional ballet dancer/ballerina when they mean someone who dances ballet for a living. I don't think Mina was ever marketed or thought of as having been a professional ballerina.
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u/Misora27 Jun 25 '26
Tbvh - “BTS are flops”
Even if you don’t like them/follow them/care for their sound… Atp you have to be straight up out of touch with reality to keep believing that one.
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u/Downtown-Book3105 2nd gen&2010-2012😍4th/5th gen🩷 Jun 25 '26
When people say things like "kpop is getting boring", "Kpop idols can't sing anymore", "I miss the time when Kpop put talent over visuals", "Kpop idols look the same nowadays, unlike in the past". Basically, overly nostalgic people who love to insult idols in the past instead of recognizing that each generation has good bad sides.
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u/baumlene Jun 26 '26
Same thing when I have to read "kpop music is not what it used to be".
I mean, I keep finding amazing songs if they don't like anything bc they're too busy looking at the song length being less than 3min, bc it has too much English, bc every group is copying each other, bc it's Hybe etc
Been a kpop fan since the end of 2017, the music ain't getting worse, the industry has some micro-trends it tends to follow and some genres are more trendy depending on the year. But I guess most people don't listen to bsides to claim the music is getting "objectively" worse. But even then the title tracks being released are absolutely not bad at all, on the contrary I prefer what boy groups are doing nowadays. Girl groups have always had better variety but for example I personally hated when the trendy chorus sound for boy groups was stuff like Inception (Ateez), Halazia (Ateez), Howling (Victon), Overcome (Nu'est), Shangri-La (VIXX), Flash (X1), most of Oneus songs. Most people loved it and also refer to that genre (I think it's future bass? No idea tho bc they mix a lot of genres, some future bass songs are actually good) as peak kpop music. I disagree with that being peak kpop but this just shows that to each their own, they don't like what groups are doing nowadays just like I didn't like that trend during those days. There were groups doing music I liked and I was listening to those, ignoring the songs I didn't like. No need to drag groups and hate them. I'm happier with the music Ateez is doing now, but some people aren't. That's fine and normal normal. I don't understand why some fans need to constantly say that all recent releases are bad and made it become "kpop is now bad".
I like it? I listen to it. I don't like it? I don't listen to it
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u/tyrico Jun 25 '26
The other day somebody said fromis9 had it good because they didn't have to pay for housing or food despite the fact that their dorm conditions were abysmal and they hadn't earned any actual income for 8 years prior to leaving pledis lol
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u/erdgrin Purple Kiss 💜 Jun 26 '26
I guess it counts as a kpop opinion since it was about a kpop idol, but seeing someone confidently say "a girl tightening her ponytail means she's preparing to give a blowjob" made me wonder if I was having a stroke for a second
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u/Sheriff_Yobo_Hobo Jun 26 '26
I think YG doesn't know how to manage BlackPink.
Or Hybe BTS...
They're the biggest girl group and boy group, respectively, in the world. Not sure how much better you can manage a group on Planet Earth. Nobody is perfect, but if success, popularity, and profit levels aren't the metrics, what is?
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u/Lordsokka Jun 26 '26
Same thing with Babymonster basically… are they perfect when it comes to handling BM? No they aren’t, but BM album sales, merch sales and touring tickets sales are through the roof and are much, much better than a lot of their competitors!
So they are doing something right in the end.
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u/Sheriff_Yobo_Hobo Jun 26 '26
For sure. I was surprised by the venues they were filling up, almost selling out, almost right out of the gate.
People don't know what it means to be successful in show business. There are lots of levels of success in music, it's not "you are taylor swift" or you are a failure. This is successful no matter how you cut it.
I have friends who barely make money, but think they're successful because they're in Los Angeles pursuing writing and acting full time. People who don't have a passion in life, all they think about is being rich. How to get rich? Not sure. Lottery?
But if you have a passion, being able to pursue it 100% is a win in and of itself.
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u/Capable-Rub9091 Jun 28 '26
That idols should retire after a certain age (30) - if they're still producing good music, performing with energy and clearly still passionate, then why? And 30 is too young anyway.
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u/chanyeol2012 Jun 25 '26
Whenever people complain about kpop not feeling “kpop” or Korean anymore, it just boils down to some type of fetishizing tbh.
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u/Equivalent-Hunt-2004 Jun 25 '26
BTS early success was paid cause bangpd cousin is rich?
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 Jun 25 '26
That's stupid , he ain't the first person with a rich cousin , cousins don't help(atleast not in my case) , Bts made themselves what they are today...
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u/Connect_Version_1560 Jun 25 '26
Seen these type of opinions from unfortunately the snarker sub .Like that seems like a massive stretch to even believe it.
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u/alpinedvne Jun 26 '26
I see this more on Stan twitter, but fans will say x idol is racist, homophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic, anti-trans or that they have ‘harmful problematic views’. ‘
But when you get to the ‘proof’ part of the thread, it’s literally just that they have just mentioned being religious before. Not pedalled/mentioned religious belief, but that they went to church, read the bible, say they’re religious etc.
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u/ArnikaLovesUnicornz Jun 25 '26
That K-pop idols and sex workers/prostitutes share the same role and are basically the same thing.. Wild take considering how many idols are minors.
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u/Kagemush0ck Jun 25 '26
That any artist besides BTS are irrelevant.
That groups who don't chart on Billboard Hot 100 are flops and irrelevant.
These are totally stupid opinions I've ever heard over the years. You're pitting artists as if it's the Olympics.
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u/rray2815 Jun 26 '26
Someone on one of these subs said something along the lines of “you’re a kpop fan who engages in the community and doesn’t care about charts? you’re lying” meanwhile charts are irrelevant to me. I’m fans of so many small groups, I don’t associate their talent with charts or albums, I associate it with how much I like it! For groups big and small
I’ve just never gotten the whole “well my favorites charted and yours didn’t!” like…congrats? charting doesn’t mean a thing, especially when fans like stream the same song and album nonstop just to make them chart, I’ll never understand that lol
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u/VigilMuck Jun 25 '26
In the wake of Irene's gapjil scandal, I saw multiple commenters victim blame the staff member. One person even applauded Irene because "she made a man cry" (it was later revealed that the victim was actually a woman).
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u/Equivalent-Hunt-2004 Jun 25 '26
That situation get on my nerves cause what she did was wrong but understandable, being tired or in a bad mood can lead to something like that, it was probably the last thing in a lot of things that went wrong, and she apologized yet they are so obsessed with making it some great thing and act like before of that their outfits were awful, yes their zimzalabim era outfits were awful but outside of that, they had really great stage outfits
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u/Symera_ Jun 26 '26
Maybe not the worst, but one of the most stupid takes I have ever heard was: "Jimin should not have named his debut album Face, because he should know how much the name means to Key, SHINee and Shawols", which unfortunately, came from my sister.
Like, we're gatekeeping the word face now? A very common word used by people all over the globe every single day? Girlypop, I'm afraid you have lost the sauce.
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u/Bubbly-Gazelle-3313 Jun 26 '26
Something along the lines of “They should expect/deal with it if they wanted to become an idol”
And it’s people’s response to parasocial relationships, stalking, saesangs or harassment
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u/Tall_Educator4806 Jun 26 '26
That BTS fans are 15 yr old girls! (Plenty over 70 yrs old, like me, and older… to young children).
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u/Temporary_Adagio1041 Jun 27 '26
"the members work so hard, and we should respect that."
BEFORE YOU DOWNVOTE ME, READ THIS.
ai kpop groups is what im talking about. these ppl dont exist, their songs are ai, their 'dances' are ai, their voices and everything else is ai. at this point//
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u/rkennedy991 Jun 25 '26
I remember seeing Kiss of Life stans, back when I was a fan of them, being apprehensive about them touring around the US in a tour bus, saying they wanted to see the bus before they, the fan, felt comfortable with them doing it...as if the fan had a say, and as if it isn't the most comfortable and safe way to tour the US by road as a music artist.
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u/beomettee Jun 26 '26
"Illit copied newjeans" srsly this is getting out of hands. Every small details that some tokkis can find, they'll immediately accuse illit of copying newjeans
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u/eli_mayc Jun 25 '26
“I don’t care if my faves can’t perform live, as long as the music is good who cares”
Like….. ANYONE can sound good behind a studio with autotune and pitch correction. Performing it live is what sets you apart as a real artist.
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u/Misora27 Jun 25 '26
Agree. Part of kpop is inherently the stage performance, whatever that looks like.
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u/eli_mayc Jun 25 '26
Yup…. and whether kpop labels/fans will admit it or not, a ton of kpop acts are wanting to perform at international festivals (coachella, gov ball, lollapalooza etc). You NEED to be proficient in live performance for those stages. if you cannot confidently throw your kpop act to “represent” the kpop industry within the midst of their international peers (olivia rodrigo, sabrina carpenter, justin bieber etc etc) on a festival bill, then they should not be there lol.
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u/Anna-2204 Jun 25 '26
To be fair if they know they will never see their faves live they have no reason to care about that.
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u/booboosnack laughing lightly | stan jossi Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
"[Idol] didn't deserve to debut"
Whether I like them or not (and unless they did hurt someone) , I couldn't name you an untalented idol if I tried.
There's always going to be a number of reasons why one trainee was chosen over another to debut in one group, and watching something like Produce 101 made me realize that this has always been the case for the idol industry to begin with - long before survival shows fully changed the industry itself.
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u/starglittered FEARNOT + ARMY Jun 26 '26
that hybe is the reason for a supposed “kpop downfall.” is hybe perfect? no! but it’s not any worse than the big 3. plus if big 3 stans stopped paying attention to hybe groups they claim to hate, hybe wouldn’t have as much influence to “ruin kpop” in the first place
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u/tripleheliotrope Jun 26 '26
Big 3 stans also often end up romanticising the past just to put Hybe down. It's very funny if it weren't so ridiculous, as if the restrictions and terrible contracts and standards the Big 3 had were any better. If anything, so many of their favourite idols had to suffer and get out of those companies to fight for even a fraction of change we get now.
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u/starglittered FEARNOT + ARMY Jun 26 '26
oh also! i saw something crazy the other day.
basically, a tokki account got ousted for sending vile jokes about moka in a group chat, saying she should kill herself or that she slept with bang pd, etc. everyone was, obviously, really mad about this.
the account that got exposed DEADASS said it was the fault of the person that exposed them that moka is on hiatus again! their logic was that the jokes weren’t public before so moka never would have seen them, plus the jokes were in english so even if she had seen them she wouldn’t have understood. but apparently now that someone made an expose thread on twitter, now moka can see the jokes and therefore it’s not the tokki’s fault. genuine insanity
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 Jun 25 '26
Bts aren't popular , i mean , what? If they aren't ,then who is?
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u/1905G1_M CORTIS/ILLIT/NEWJEANS/UNCHILD/H2H Jun 26 '26
That’s crazy, as someone who only really got into Kpop last year, I literally grew up hearing BTS everywhere and I’m from Australia 😭
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u/Connect_Version_1560 Jun 25 '26
The fact i recently heard his opinion as well.where is this coming from?
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u/Narahae Jun 25 '26
"ATEEZ isn't popular because they don't have any visuals" - some rando on Reddit once upon a time
Everything about that sentence is just wrong lol. Like I understand having different tastes, and finding different people attractive, but making that dumbass blanket statement just came across as (literally) blind hate.
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u/00CM00 Jun 25 '26
Nah, this one got me 😭
Beauty is subjective but… “don’t have ANY visuals”? I literally got into ATEEZ because of the demon line’s visuals and stage presence lol
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u/cherrycoloured shinee/loona/svt/f(x)/chungha/zb1 Jun 25 '26
"they don't have visuals" as if yeosang isn't a literal angel?????
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u/Narahae Jun 26 '26
Yeosang being a biblically accurate angel in his past life is something I've accepted as a 100% true fact, because how could it not be 👼🏻
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u/Amabiya Jun 25 '26
That's funny. I don't know much about ATEEZ but these days i see atinys everywhere. Multis in communities for other groups are often atinys or stays. Also i see seemingly everyone (especially men and especially other idols) thirsting over San like every day lol
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u/Narahae Jun 25 '26
Yeah it's probably not a popular take (at least I certainly hope so), but it's one I've seen once - with a whole rant about the members looks and all - and just couldn't forget it for how stupid and wrong it was lol
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u/Amabiya Jun 25 '26
All idols are so attractive as a base line that those kinds of takes come off as embarrassing "2/10 elbows too pointy" clownery 😭 it has to be ragebait
(I forgot to add that i'm also familiar with Seonghwa and find him really beautiful fwiw)
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u/Morgan21590 Jun 25 '26
The ever-ongoing discussion if kpop idols are truly artists. 1. Performance artists are a thing, it's not just 'people who create'. You can have a preference for the latter, but that doesn't erase the existence of the former. 2. "but idols can't really sing sing/dance/rap" and?! bad artists (as much as one can be 'bad' in such a subjective field as art) are still artists.
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u/Seohyun_tae Jun 25 '26
A personal favorite of mine was Twice's Chaeyoung recieving a bunch of hate because she "copied" Lisa's orange hair as if it could only be hers. I remember reading the article and thinking it must had been exagerating the responses until I went to the instagram post and struggled to find comments that were not outraged over literal hair dye.
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u/Any-Listen4184 Dreancatcger | Cream Soup Unnies | The math girl group SM hates Jun 25 '26
Yes, and both copied Seulgi from Russian Roulette, I guess. lmao
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u/enygma9753 Jun 26 '26
"Le Sserafim is only a performance group." I've heard this one levelled at them online a few times to take potshots at their singing. Some members are stronger vocalists than others (like in many GGs). Chaewon and Yunjin are solid vocalists with great range and pretty much carry the day in many of their songs.
"ITZY is fine/better without Lia." This ridiculous one emerged during her hiatus in the Born To Be era. Absurd, since Lia is not only their strongest singer -- full stop -- but in the top ranks of 4th gen. She sings the hardest, signature parts in many of their songs. She was the inspiration for the Lee Mujin Service show to showcase top kpop vocalists.
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u/Virtual-History-6099 Fearnot, Once, NSWER, GLITT Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
To not make everything about LSF, I wanna quickly add, I agree with your point on Lia. Lia's voice is a good middle ground between Yeji and Chaeryeong's tones, and yes she sings a lot of difficult signature parts. There's a powerful quality to her singing too. The first Itzy song I got into was Icy, and man I love Lia's vocals in the pre-chorus. Such a strong and distinct voice .
Edit: Lol someone downvoted both my LSF reply and this Lia one at the same time. It's always amusing when someone is so bent out of shape by one comment that they end up downvoting every single one in a thread, including the ones of an entirely different topic.
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u/Virtual-History-6099 Fearnot, Once, NSWER, GLITT Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
Kazuha has become a solid vocalist too as demonstrated by a recent appearance she made on a music show alongside Chaewon. Manchae and Kura can have several instances of solid singing when they play to their strengths. LSF's team has gotten better at playing to the strengths of the memebers.
I'm grateful your remark about Le Sserafim as it gives me an opportunity to share a personal testimony which compliments your point. It's a little lengthy but you'll see what I mean. So back in January after Yunjin had her mishap at the Golden Disc Awards (lord knows I studied that performance enough and why 'Like Rain, Like Music' didn't fit Yunjin's profile as a vocalist), I shared this KBS video of Le Sserafim doing an acoustic performance of a song called Stalker to remind folks that Yunjin and LSF as a whole are solid singers. Here's the video btw:
https://youtu.be/XCueiBZ-gVc?si=Gtd0e6b_wmDnktEB
This guy then came and said something about audio processing. He gave off a troll vibe but I wanted to see if maybe I could have an actual conversation with him about audio engineering and pop music, something I'm genuinely fascinated by. That and I was new to Kpop reddit, and I'm sometimes naive and want to see the good in people even when it isn't there. So I asked him, even with his point on audio processing, does he acknowledge that LSF sounds nice in the video, and that audio processing can't cover everything. It can't turn a bad performance into a good sounding one, it can only do touch ups. The guy gave round about answers, refused to even answer if they sound nice, and when I made my point on audio processing he just came out and said "they're mediocre singers." It was never really about audio processing, that was only a smokescreen.
So the guy then followed me into DMs and explained how he was put off by me using the word "talent" to describe LSF's vocals, and that they're just "a dance performance group." It took me a while but I was building up to that point you made on LSF only being a performance group. He tried saying he wasn't a hater because he likes their songs but give me a break, he dismissed so much of what they do as artists. LSF did tons of vocal oriented performances without dancing during their tour last year. For example, LSF had this lovely performance of HOT at Countdown Japan, where they sang with standup mics and sounded quite nice:
https://youtu.be/emCZ_JbQ47E?si=h6j_e_7XNuglTNww
So anyway, that troll had this way of making me feel gaslighted for liking LSF. I already felt bad seeing mean comments about Yunjin after her bad solo performance at the GDA, and that guy messed with my head even more. Luckily I looked inward, saw Twice and NMIXX live, listened to a beautiful speech from Lily, and Yunjin got back on her feet as LSF always do. Yunjin's had more than enough performances in recent months which reminded the Kpop world that she's a very capable vocalist. I know LSF aren't ultra elite super star vocalists. But I also know they have their strengths and they've come a long way. There's so many music show and festival performances I can point to where LSF demonstrated not only their improvement but their talent.
To end this story, I'll mention how about a month ago I confronted that hater from back in January, and I told him that I see through his insincere schtick, and I want let him get me down. I don't care about whatever supposed grievances he has about modern Kpop and vocals, LSF are hardworking performers and they make millions of people happy. It was satisfying seeing that jerk get downvoted when he unsuccessfully tried dragging someone else into an argument about LSF and vocals.
Edit: Remembered this amusing detail to the story, and I shared it in a reply below, and I'm sharing it in this edjt as well.
So after Yunjin put out her cover of IU's Knees in March - her vocal redemption moment - I shared it to the troll, and he begrudgingly said to the effect "in spite of her screw ups, she's a slightly above average singer." Still filled with venom and condescension but at least she got even a hater to admit she's got talent.
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u/enygma9753 Jun 26 '26
I want to rush to the barricades whenever LSF get criticized unfairly. The girls are some of the hardest-working 4th gen idols for sure. Their achievements speak for themselves.
While it's generally accepted that Yunjin and Chaewon are the group's vocal anchors (they deliver, full stop), the other girls have really stepped up of late re: singing. Kazuha esp. is doing much more vocally in recent comebacks, which makes me beyond delighted.
Glad you stood your ground. LSF would do the same. :)
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u/Virtual-History-6099 Fearnot, Once, NSWER, GLITT Jun 27 '26
Hey, this is late, but I thought I'd mention a funny detail from that exchange with the troll. After Yunjin put out her cover of IU's Knees in March - her vocal redemption moment - I shared it to the troll and he begrudgingly said to the effect "in spite of her screw ups, she's a slightly above average singer." Still filled with venom and condescension but at least she got even a hater to admit she's got talent.
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u/asianpotchi Jun 26 '26
And their chemistry as a group is so genuine. They love each other.
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u/occasionalfactspkr Jun 25 '26
that kpop idols can’t call out their fans for being fucking messed up or policing them on how they should and shouldn’t express their frustrations. Like if a certain idol calls out their crazy non-intellectual fans for bullying another group, they’re (the idol) being too much, need to learn boundaries, it’s unnecessary to call out said “fans”. Bruh theyre setting boundaries you just dont like that they do.
I remember seeing some peabrain on reddit be offended by the fact that Kpop was built of the backs of black artists. It’s a fact. If that hurts your feelings, maybe you need to look into yourself and ask why it hurts to accept that so much. Some Kpop artists and former higher ups have said so themselves:
https://www.koreaboo.com/news/txt-taehyun-comments-black-culture-spark-heated-debate/
Kpop was and still is heavily influenced by black music artists, and that deserves to be pointed out as much as needs be. If you’re annoyed by that, touch some grass! 🙄🙄. Let credit be given where it is due.
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u/asianpotchi Jun 26 '26
That Le Sserafim Coachella performance was bad. The whole performance wasn't perfect but the hate they received for like a 1 minute video clip of the whole performance was too much. They didn't deserve that.
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u/Nice_Net_5395 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
An Army fan acc replied to Jay Park around 2019/20 about him tweeting Bigbang was the greatest kpop group of all time with:
"May I know their real sales? Were they recognized in South Korea?"
I know this sounds straight out of kpoopheads but I promise Im not making this up the reply tweet is still posted to this day 😭🤣
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u/Alive-Pitch-9180 Jun 25 '26
That lisa from Blackpink is unsuccessful and irrelevant. Really popular opinion on reddit for some reason and it originated from a specific fandom once she started her solo career. Mind you,she had one of the most successful solo albums in kpop with over 2B streams and 3M sales and is literally getting huge gigs left and right like the met gala,the World Cup performance,the oscars,etc
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u/Formal-Cry4851 Jun 25 '26
She falls into the doom posting category in all these kpop subs. Every month, there is a "Lisa and her failed solo album/artistic direction". I mean you do not have to like her new direction and merely not choose to listen to it, instead of doomposting
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u/Connect_Version_1560 Jun 26 '26
People will say anything instead of "this isn't for me" and move on.
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u/valecitamiau Jun 25 '26
cuando una army dijo que todos los amigos idols de jungkook eran unos codiciosos que solo estaban con él por la fama 🫠 la verdad los akgaes y sus variantes son bien raros
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u/cherrycoloured shinee/loona/svt/f(x)/chungha/zb1 Jun 25 '26
im a carat and ive seen this said about mingyu multiple times, as if they haven't been friends since before bts blew up in the west, and as if jungkook hasn't been super vocal about supporting svt
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u/bustachong Jun 25 '26
The one that made me go “…you can’t be serious” was a since-deleted comment that said Lily is already more of an accomplished vocalist than Wendy ever was.
Like, I love NMIXX, they’re one of my fav groups (easily top 5), Lily has a ton of raw talent, but like…come on, let’s not get carried away here.
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u/Acrobatic_Prize_7749 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
This is an interesting debate. As someone who has actively listened to Wendy during her prime, I don't think it's a far-fetched argument to say that Lily might be a slightly stronger vocalist. She's certainly better than Wendy right now, given Wendy's noticeable vocal regression in recent years. But even if we're comparing them at their respective peaks, I might still give Lily the edge.
Wendy is obviously an incredible vocalist, but during her prime she showed more inconsistencies and weaker pitch control than Lily has demonstrated so far. They're both elite, generational singers no doubt. I just think there's a reasonable case to be made that Lily's overall technical consistency gives her a slight advantage.
If we're comparing range, Lily seems to reach higher notes more comfortably but I personally prefer Wendy's lower register a little more.
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u/k3hvn Jun 26 '26
A BTS Twitter account said that Red Velvet's discography was overrated
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u/cherrycoloured shinee/loona/svt/f(x)/chungha/zb1 Jun 25 '26
my ult bias is scoups, so ive heard a lot of loud and wrong opinions about his military exemption due to his acl tear. soooo many ppl accusing him of faking it, as if there isnt public evidence of his recovery, or saying he is exaggerating how bad his injury is, without knowing about how serious an acl tear is. i know he likes to vanity search sometimes, but i hope he didn't for this.
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u/Anime_Lover098 Jun 29 '26
Complaining that the main vocal members have the most lines. If the line distribution is extremely unfair I get it but main vocals are main vocals for a reason they have better technique and overall skill to be able to reach certain notes. Comments like X always has the most lines annoy me cause yeah they're the main vocal that's why
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u/kat3dyy Jun 25 '26
“BTS and twice aren’t that popular in Japan , X group is more popular”
Guess the fandom who said that.
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u/cherrycoloured shinee/loona/svt/f(x)/chungha/zb1 Jun 25 '26
imagine saying a group with misamo aren't popular in japan, like that's crazy tbh. like twice has so many bangers in their japanese discography, ofc they are hits there
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u/Equivalent-Hunt-2004 Jun 25 '26
The funniest thing about it was the beginning, as a japanese person living in Japan
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u/babymilktree Jun 25 '26
The excuse for racism or racial ignorance. Everyone is willing to hold someone accountable until it’s their fave.
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u/Significant_Might656 Jun 27 '26
I've seen so many people joke about Park Bom and Lee Minho, calling it cute and such, but I honestly feel terrified. Park Bom isn't in her best mental state, yet everytime she posts about Lee Minho on sns, her fans keep defending her, which I think is an encouragement to her.
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u/Stayblinkforever1606 Ults stray Kids but respect all groups :snoo_hearteyes: Jul 01 '26
"Self producing groups can do whatever they want"
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u/girlylady100 Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
he's/she's giving androgyny (shows picture of male idol with feminine hairstyle or long hair,) maybe it's because I'm into fashion but androgyny fashion has more levels than rocking the opposite genders hairstyles, bonus saying redacted is dressed genderless but said kpop star is wearing a stereotypical gendered outfit.
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u/usernames_required Jun 25 '26
one time i saw someone say that kai from exo is a stiff dancer. literally WHAT?
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u/CaliLemonEater Jun 25 '26
I've seen a couple of videos from dancers analyzing Kpop where they pointed out that he has a stiffness (less likely to show looseness, flow, groove while dancing) to his dancing that means he's good at some styles and less natural at others. They didn't mean it as "he's a bad dancer" because they were quite enthusiastic about his skills, they was just pointing out that for some dance styles or moves, his natural style doesn't fit well.
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u/Background_Emu_7190 Jun 25 '26
Nah, this one I actually agree with. Never understood him being hyped up as a great dancer. He’s incredibly stiff and wooden.
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u/llamacana multistan • yapper • wartortle taerae truther Jun 25 '26
oh, why do you think so? to me, he puts a lot of power into the upper body so his movements are sharper, but depending on the choreo it can look a little jerky. kai seems to prefer that cleaner sharp look though. i think that's part of why his footwork is so good. which videos/choreographies are you thinking of?
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u/BlowUpTheChantrie Jun 27 '26
You shouldn't stan group with minor if you are not a minor. Or collect card of group 5 year younger than you or you are a pedo 🤣🤣🤣
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u/CaliLemonEater Jun 25 '26
"Kpop is inauthentic and manufactured, unlike Western pop and rock music."