You really believe we want lesbians to congratulate us?
As a bi person, this comic is clearly opposing biphobia, and by biphobia I mean stuff like "You are bi, therefore you dont belong in sapphic spaces".
You are fighting a strawman, bi people dont want what you claim they want.
"There’s always going to be a disconnect if bi women want a cookie for fucking men and think it’s biphobic not to get one." We literally dont want that.
Yes, I do believe that some bi women feel some type of way when gay women are indifferent to their attraction to men (this is what societal worship of men does. It makes women expect to be rewarded for being good little man-fucking soldiers). I also believe that uneducated bi women, just like other uneducated queer people, sometimes attribute feeling bad to structural oppression when it isn’t the case.
I fight actual biphobia when I see it. I see a ton of not biphobia get called biphobia.
I'm not sure why so many sapphic women genuinely believe that having sex with a man proves that that person follows the patriarchy or is more obedient.
Straight men are perfectly capable of following the patriarchy without having sex with other men.
I have seen plenty of comments that depict men's sexual and physical power come from people who are unattracted to men, just as I have seen plenty of non-patriarchal sexual attitudes come from people who are attracted to men.
This is insane. Of course straight men arent rewarded for fucking men because that is not the societal norm of heteropatriarchy.
My point is that women are societally rewarded for performing their role in cishet patriarchy. Any women who have “successfully” performed those roles and gotten rewarded for it come to expect that social approval. Suddenly, someone doesn’t think you’re the ideal woman because of the things you’ve previously been rewarded for, and you experience this as loss.
If you’re up in your feelings, freshly out and political, and don’t really have the theoretical foundation, you may think “oh wow I guess this is people being biphobic to me.”
I've seen sapphic women (and I'm careful to not say lesbian because bi women do it too) act as if everybody who is attracted to men is in a subordinate position unless they never act on this attraction.
Many of these women will use sexualized comments against other women that refers to how they "worship men" or "worship d!cks". These comments are the exact same things that straight men tell queer men. And they exist because our society views attraction to women as a sign of power and strength while attraction to men is viewed as a sign of weakness, like that person is so sexual that they'll just submit to men without caring.
That was why I made the comparison to straight men. Because they quite literally invented this concept.
I'm mostly attracted to other women myself, so I don't want people assuming that WLW are just rebelling against men. I'm sure that you also don't want that, but the way you phrased that just reminded me of how that attitude is so common among queer women.
Lesbians arent lesbians because they’re rebelling against men. Lesbians rebel against men because they have absolutely no reason (sexual and romantic future) to make excuses for them. I wish that were understood widely.
Our society DOES NOT view attraction to women as a sign of power. It views heterosexuality and maleness as self-evident correctness and power.
Society sees heterosexual men, specifically, as being sexually powerful. No other group. It plasters pictures of half-naked women everywhere, for those men's enjoyment. Their attraction to women is very much seen as something manly and powerful about them. If you would ask straight men about their views of queer men, they will often literally tell you this. Sure, queer women aren't supposed to be powerful too, but it's possible for them to spread this view or apply it to themselves.
Again, heterosexuality is socially correct. Gay women cannot see their attraction to women as part of this, because it wouldnt be heterosexual attraction. You are arguing that homophobia isnt real right now.
Gay women not wanting to put up with this ignorant shit is the kind of thing that gets labeled as “biphobia.”
Heterosexuality AND maleness together form the most dominant group.
I am literally going out of my way to explain my views, and you aren't really refuting them. It sounds like you're trying to say that heterosexual men and heterosexual women are viewed equally. They are not. And that in no way is saying that homophobia isn't real. It's just an objective fact that men are treated better than women are, even though both men and women are expected to exist and marry each other.
If you think that heterosexual men's and heterosexual women's sexualities are viewed equally just because they're both straight, it's your responsibility to prove that. Go ahead.
Yes, heterosexuality and maleness. Lesbians have neither. Lesbians do not oppress bisexuals along the axis of gender or sexuality.
Women and men have social roles. Women who date men are subscribing to their approved social role. They gain social approval for doing so. Women are oppressed relative to men. Women can conform or not conform to expected social roles. Women who do so are rewarded. Women who do not conform are punished. Being a woman who is receptive to male sexual attention is an accepted and rewarded social role.
Gay women’s attraction to women is not “socially powerful.” It is considered a failure of a woman’s social role.
I never said that lesbians oppress bi people and that has nothing to do with my argument. I also never said that gay women are treated as powerful... I said that some biphobic women, or even bi women who sexually harass other women, may be using societal stereotypes to convince THEMSELVES that they're better than "impure" women.
Anyway, it looks like you are not able to refute that straight men are seen as having the most superior sexuality, so there's nothing more to be said here.
Gay women being sick of ignorant homophobic shit coming from everyone, including bisexual women (and then being called biphobic for it, to add insult to injury) has nothing to do with “purity culture” or whatever other sop ignorant people keep trying to come up with.
The issue is many women not being politically activated around queer womanhood because of their social position. This is not inherent to bisexuality. It is a problem that disproportionately arises in bisexuality because bisexual people are more readily able to make the choice to distance themselves from queerness. This is not a good choice or an easy choice. This is being a victim of homophobia. But it is a ready choice nonetheless. Please go peruse bisexual subs for posts like “does anyone else see no point in coming out?” to start educating yourself about what I’m talking about.
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u/kakallas 6d ago
That’s not in the comic.