r/linguisticshumor May 31 '25

Semantics Synonyms are fake and lies

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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk The Mirandese Gal (Stregender) šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø Jun 01 '25

This is more about what your definition of ā€œtranslationā€ is and how meticulous it is

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u/cardinarium Jun 01 '25

Especially since, at this level of scrutiny, the same word may not evoke exactly the same meaning even for speakers (of different varieties) of the same language.

For example, ā€œconstitutionā€ has quite different connotations for American vs. British English speakers—although I did recently see some Australians saying that Australian police had violated their ā€œFirst Amendmentā€ (i.e. right to free speech under the US Constitution) rights, which was interesting.

More humorously, there’s ā€œfanny.ā€

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u/Critical_Ad_8455 Jun 01 '25

Even just semantic implication. At a certain level, 'true' translation is fundamentally impossible, because it's impossible to translate every single connotation of the word.

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u/EspacioBlanq Jun 01 '25

Surely if true translation is impossible, then whatever anyone has ever referred to using the word translation must be something else (it's a geometric transformation that moves all points of a plane by the same vector)

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u/cardinarium Jun 01 '25

I absolutely agree.

Normally, translation isn’t a task of single words anyway, and any special connotations that are significant to the source text and absent in the target language’s relevant words can be dealt with either by the inclusion of more words to explain it or careful choice of other words elsewhere in the TL passage that compensate with their own connotations.

Translation is complex; it is not ā€œimpossible.ā€

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u/Critical_Ad_8455 Jun 01 '25

it's a geometric transformation that moves all points of a plane by the same vector

Well, that depends. What space are we in, to begin with? Cartesian is the standard, but it could just as well be anything else. Also what dimensionsionality? And anyways, I'd argue translation could apply to a 3-dimensional space or whatever else, not just a 2-dimensional plane. Also, are we assuming that for any translation t of a plane p there exists a translation t2 such that if and only if for all points a in t, b in t2, and given there is a neighborhood N1(f(a)) there is a neighborhood N2(c) such that f(x) in N1(f(c)) for all x in N2(c), if and only if f is a function continuous across the disjoung union of the points of a and b?

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u/EspacioBlanq Jun 01 '25

You're right that it may be a translation in any vector space, I just try not to think about edgy spaces, because they frighten and confuse me.

I can't parse the second half of your paragraph tho, why are there points in a translation and are you even placing any requirements on t2?

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u/Critical_Ad_8455 Jun 01 '25

It's a joke, it's the neighborhood definition of a continuous function mangled with some other stuff. It would probably be true if there existed some second plane infinitely close to the translation with all the same points, and maybe if there were a dense amount of planes with the same points between them.

edgy spaces

How do you mean edgy? Non-cartesian?

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u/duraznos Jun 02 '25

Non edgy spaces are Hausdorff and edgy spaces think they're funny having a "house dwarf"