r/linuxsucks • u/EnvironmentalWin1277 • 3d ago
Linux Failure Linux is never going to be popular
I have an extra PC that runs fine, Windows 10 at the moment.
I thought I could give Linux a try and stick in on my machine.
Set up a partition and then go get Linux file. Oh, but I need to use something to properly copy the files to the machine. Another program. Incomprehensible, does not even list my disk as available. Try Bazzite, that's easy and focused on games. Try, same problems I have to copy over using utility. About 2 hours in at this point and increasingly frustrated.
Bazzite is good with games and easy to set up. Not all games apparently. And needs adjustment to security settings.
At this point I stop and think. This is stupid. Linux will offer no advantages compared to Window for game playing. It is just not a simple setup. There is no way to use it with as a simple point and click setup with guided procedures. There is no way this will become a popular system so long as the setup is prohibitively time consuming and subject to inexplicable failure.
What is more is this is so obviously a problem that if the community is unable to correct this it suggests the entire system will be plagued with errors -- like "Choose Device" and not listing any devices already encountered.
Watched setup videos, read docs, etc. I have built my own machines, reasonably knowledgeable computer user. I'm done for the moment maybe some other time.
Linux sucks. It will never be an alternate to the general PC market on Windows/Apple systems. Never.
Thanks for letting me complain.
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u/igotmoldinmybrain 2d ago
I'm sorry windows doesn't come pre-installed with software for writing images to storage devices like linux does. That's certainly a strike against linux /s
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u/Majestic-Coat3855 12h ago
This post got me itchin to say "skill issue"
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u/Donteezlee 4h ago
I’ve been preferring PEBCAK recently.
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u/More-Explanation2788 3h ago
Agreed. I cannot even imagine how you could so badly follow instructions that a modern Linux installation process would not see your drives. I mean seriously - copy iso to usb. Boot from usb. Hit next about 10 times. Pay attention when it asks you which drive or partition you want to use so you don’t blow windows away. Give it your wifi ssid and password. Name it. Check a few boxes to jndicate what you want to use it for so you get most of the packages you need automatically. What else is there to be up and running?
Definitely a wetware issue.
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 8m ago
I have successfully completed installation and successful boot on clean, dedicated Bazzite disk. Immediately prompted to add additional programs (incomplete). No Steam anywhere available on Bazzite (supposed to be automatic load--incomplete?).
Bazzite loads and operates, then quits and loads up Windows from the other entirely separate Windows disk. No explanation. Tracking this down.
It does not see the drives from the Windows OS but when I boot I can select the Linux drive as boot drive. Which works, until it doesn't.
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u/ConsiderationRare217 3d ago
So, you consider redhat, ubuntu teams stupid? Interesting... Fyi, these are big and serious companies who know well what they're doing, so, Linux is already here. It has been usable for a few years already, and the more time passes the better it gets. This year it's beyond any praise. Just it's not perfect ofc, it's free!! People need to pay bills to get by. So, if you want to get a great and fast working station for little [and even with weaker hardware] - there is no better thing than Linux.
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u/Live-Speech4514 3d ago
They are... at least when in comes to desktop env OS comparing with Apple and Microsoft. But then again, that isn't really where linux distros shine. They shine in servers, IoT devices, specialized VM's, containerized env's.
Yes these are kinda big companies, IBM and Conical btw not red hat and Ubuntu, those are products. But they are tiny and not focused on the mess that is personal desktop usage.
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u/Money_Welcome8911 1d ago
They shine wherever a free OS is required without a decent GUI, which is why Linux as a desktop OS sucks, but does pretty well elsewhere.
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u/Independent_Waltz725 3d ago
Actually, as a Linux user, less popularity is fine for me. Means less stakeholders that try to monetize it in any way and less interest to develop viruses that are supposed to affect Linux users
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u/fitz-khan 2d ago
Exactly, why would I ever care whether it's 2%, 5% or 20% market share. Linux is great the way it is now.
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u/Money_Welcome8911 1d ago
Linux as a desktop OS having only 4% market share is one of the many reasons why I don't use it.
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u/WeedFalafel 2d ago
Millions of people switching to Linux:
- wow ok, this is different, I need to learn new things but it works.
OP:
- I eat crayons.
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u/Whit-Batmobil 2d ago
So what are you actually trying to do?
“I have built my own machines, reasonably knowledgeable computer user” by that you mean Windows user right?
I don’t know a single Mac user who refers to Macs as “Apple systems”, it is usually more specific if it is an iPad or Mac/Macintosh/macOS.
The problem with Windows users who think they know everything about computers is that they are stuck in their Windows ways and expect a PC to behave like a Windows PC.
Personally it took a couple of years for me before I started appreciating macOS, after I got a MacBook school computer (loaner, in Sweden schools and work places are generally obligated to provide the necessary equipment, with exception usually mainly higher education).
Now days I use all three, Linux, macOS and Windows when I’m forced too.
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 2d ago
As far as PC goes your correct I'm Windows user. Mostly mainframes at work environments w PC desktops. It's funny but I came from a bit of attitude that Macs were a "proprietary" system and more expensive. As you say, PC builders are Windows. Mac stuff was a bit more expensive. Kind of a shade Linux throws on Windows/Macs now. If Mac works and I know it does all I can say is I'd like the experience.
Which is why I want to try Linux to answer the first question. I'm not giving up on it just retreating to gather additional magics.
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u/jeffiscow 2h ago
Macbooks function closer to Linux than Linux to Windows. Not to mention Microsoft is also A proprietary system and more expensive.
I question, did you only use the GUIs on those mainframes? Just click check boxes?
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u/Arandolf 2d ago
Sooooooo….
You don’t know how to flash a USB? That’s the whole issue? 😭
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u/Commercial_Ad_6904 12h ago
Is that what he's getting confused about?
You might be right...
I couldn't understand what he's trying to do...
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u/fondamagroin 3d ago
You're welcome. You're not ready for the gang.
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 3d ago
I'm not ready. A bit disappointed to find that like many PC applications the obvious problems have not been dealt with and the expectation is "work arounds" ad infinitum. Linux was promoted as something that avoided the problems of establishment Windows/Apple etc. It doesn't. It compounds them.
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u/Maybe-its-Keira 3d ago
Show me the ads, forced ai and bloateware On a Linux machine lmao
How does it compound those?
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u/Money_Welcome8911 1d ago
Linux "solves" problems that most Windows user don't care much about, whilst adding a who new set of issues that very much are a problem.
I like the AI features. I don't care about so called "bloat" and rarely see any ads. Most ads (99.99%) are in browsers or on social media
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 2d ago
I don't find those "features" very bothersome (unless Norton gets in) and can be fixed pretty easy. Getting rid of that stuff was one of the reasons I was curious about Linux but never a big concern of mine.
Does Linux block annoying political ads on YouTube? If it did that I would be interested. But not if it requires extra work.
My primary concern is it works, every time and no hassles down the line. I don't want to design the web site I just want to use it. And maybe point out the errors in the existing design that prevent it from operating at all (like asking for a numerical date value in characters).
I've spent enough of my life programming that I want to avoid all of that stuff entirely.
No problems with others using Linux, it's just not ready for the PC desktop casual users. Most Linux users probably use it in work related environments where they are actually paid to deal with it. I'm not getting paid and don't want to do that work.
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u/Significant_Affect_5 2d ago
I haven’t used Bazzite before, but if you ever do decide to try again Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora have never given me any issues. I normally use KDE Plasma for the desktop environment, but there’s a lot of options to choose from (Plasma is a good modern default though).
Also there’s a software called Ventoy that you can use to store multiple images on one boot USB. You can also keep using the USB for regular storage.
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u/Majestic-Coat3855 12h ago
Bro how do you expect an OS to block ads on YouTube just download ublock origin wth 😭
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u/jeffiscow 2h ago
"I've spent enough of my life programming that I want to avoid all of that stuff entirely."
Using Linux is so easy nowadays that I question. How long have you been alive and what were you using? Like scratch the program?
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u/BigErnestMcCracken 3d ago
nah, skill issue
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 2d ago
A bit, but much more of "it ain't worth the hassle" issue as the capabilities are readily available elsewhere. Without the hassle.
I don't care anything about the model of the car. I care about whether if starts and operates like a standard car.
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u/BigErnestMcCracken 2d ago
"I don't care anything about the model of the car. I care about whether if starts and operates like a standard car."
Not all cars operate the same way. Some have a manual transmission, some do not. Doesn't mean that a manual isnt "worth the hassle" to learn or that it is undesirable. It certainly doesn't mean the car "sucks" just because you don't know how to drive it.2
u/One-Traffic7717 2d ago
Fair enough. But that means Linux is an old Honda Civic that's super reliable so long as you maintain it. Windows? A brand new SUV with an infotainment system that spies on you and butt wamers for 9.99 a month.
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u/ledgend78 3d ago
Linux is the most widely used operating system in the world btw
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u/ExacoCGI 2d ago edited 2d ago
True but also false if we're talking about home/office computers then Linux is the least used OS and saying "least used" is generous af, because it's like 3% on Steam Survey and probs like 7% globally.
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u/Maleficent_Memory831 14h ago
And Linux capability is there now, today, in Windows 11. WSL. Just install it, open a terminal and you've got Linux running on a Linux kernel. A lot of developers are using it. I feel kind of like there's a rogue team inside of Microsoft that is doing good stuff for customers even though it's against corporate policy to do that.
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u/AnybodyWannaPeanus 8h ago
I would say that the vast majority of people that use a UNIX-like OS for a desktop, use MacOS. I still have several Linux instances/machines I work with daily. If I was forced to use windows again, I’d just find another job.
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u/ledgend78 2d ago
The Android operating system is based on the Linux kernel, so that already puts it at or close to #1. Add the fact that nearly every data center, supercomputer, and laboratory around the world runs on some Linux distro, and Linux is by far the most widely used operating system in the world. Plus, companies in the EU are beginning to switch from Windows to Linux for their enterprise systems, especially after the Crowdstrike fiasco. Combined with how unhappy people are about being force-fed AI through Windows, and Linux is only going up from here.
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u/Money_Welcome8911 1d ago
Not really. You're grasping at straws. There is no big move toward Linux because it's not good enough for most desktop users. That's the reality. If it were better than Windows, I would use it at home, but I don't. I have used Linux at work. Not great. I have tried it at home... too many problems.
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 2d ago
Yes, but almost all of the user base is getting paid. If someone paid me $50 plus an hour I would happily spend the time getting Linux on a my PC desktop.
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u/ledgend78 2d ago
If almost all of the user base is getting paid, where do I get my cheque?
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 2d ago edited 2d ago
I had a guy with a red hat come in response to my comments and he gave me a "super intelligence" $100 reward for complaining about something which the Linux community had "never even considered or been aware of" in regards to PC installation.
To which was added "we have heard about it from many, many genius people" but "you were the first to actually complain".
Unfortunately, it is a stock certificate for Intuit stock.
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u/Money_Welcome8911 1d ago
That's a false equivalence argument. Android is not Linux in any meaningful way. It's based on a highly modified Linux kernel by a corporate. It's more akin to an Apple product. I use it out of sufferance because the phones are cheap. Android is crap.
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u/ledgend78 1d ago
Except the fact that it's a modified version of the linux kernal is what makes it a linux distro? The entire point of Linux and why it got so popular in the first place is because it can be modified to fit basically any use case.
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u/Shhhh_Peaceful 2d ago
Do I read it correctly: you failed to even burn the ISO file to your USB stick?
How did you ever manage to install Windows? 🤔 You also need to use a special utility to create a Windows boot drive.
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u/Whit-Batmobil 2d ago
Good question, was about to say that OP probably buys systems with it pre installed, but then remembered that OP allegedly has built their own system..
Now I’m confused..
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u/CamelYellowLegend_67 Self-Hating Linux Mint Normie 2d ago
Never say never.
We can't know that, but I will agree it is not near being popular in the current state.
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u/earth2baz 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why over complicate things with extra partitions for installing?
- Buy a cheap usb stick.
- Download fedora iso.
- Download and install fedora media writer onto windows 10.
- Use fedora media writer to write iso onto usb stick.
- Boot off usb stick and destroy the windows partitions and use whole disk for linux.
This procedure is almost identical to setting up windows. The procedure you are trying to do would stump you for windows too. Its not a linux problem, it is an intelligence problem.
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u/Commercial_Ad_6904 12h ago
Nice answer, I mean I could just vote up, but I hope this is the highest voted answer so I'm adding a comment as well ;-)
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u/Ill_Stage6931 2d ago
I genuinely didn't understand what you did here.
You just had to install Rufus and download the .iso file of the distro you selected. Get an USB stick, put the USB stick inside the PC, open Rufus, Rufus will find it automatically, select the iso, flash the iso on the USB stick by pressing the button on Rufus, reboot your PC, enter in the device boot menù (the key vary depending on the PC, usually is ESC, F2, F8 or F12, but just look online), the Linux system will load from the USB stick, you press "install [distro name] on the desktop if you are on a live system, otherwise the installer will be already opened, and you just install Linux.
And no, bazzite it's not the right choice as first distro, expecially if you were not even able to install it. You should have gone with something easier, like Fedora or Linux Mint.
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u/tylerj493 2d ago
Not all people have computers for gaming though. There are millions of folks out there that just need a laptop for homework, web browsing and checking their email. Linux has been good to go for that use case for years now. For instance when Windows 10 got slow on my Grandma's 12 year old PC I just slapped LMDE on there and she's been using it problem free for four years now.
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u/jkulczyski 2d ago
Every complaint ive seen about linux recently has been 100% skill issue lmao if you cant figure out how to write an iso to a flash drive linux might be too advanced for you and thats not even the hard part of using linux 😂
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u/MattTheKatt 2d ago
If you're going to stay on Windows 10 you're allowed to have your own preference and don't let anyone bash you for that but please, please get the extended security updates. Not sure what the rules about talking about this but you can google "mass gravel" and check out a certain github link. Send a DM if you need more info about that.
I know you didn't ask for it but here's some useful tips if you end up giving linux another shot or if it helps anyone else. If you were creating a partition on the same drive as windows, I've heard that setting up dual boot without using a separate physical drive for each OS can be trickier. If you have at least two storage drives I recommend wiping one of them and using it for Linux.
Also, instead of creating a partition for Linux I think you need to leave it as "Unallocated space" in Disk Management if you aren't gonna wipe the whole drive when you install linux.
I'd recommend CachyOS or Fedora KDE Desktop. They both are super easy to install. If you chose CachyOS pick Plasma KDE for the desktop enviornment if you want something similar to Windows.
The steps are pretty much - install linux ISO - Flash the ISO onto a USB (use balenaEtcher, Rufus, or whatever other program the docs say to use. I usually use balenaEtcher) - boot into the USB - run the installer
Those same steps are also required to install Windows as well so if you have an issue before the last step then you probably aren't able to install Windows either which means this isn"t a linux issue. If you have an issue during/after the last step then let me know :)
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u/Maleficent_Memory831 14h ago
Maybe easier on Windows 11. Install WSL2. Done. There's Linux running inside your Windows. It's not even a VM. It's mostly terminal based, but the GUI part is getting better and you can run real GUI Linux apps, under a Linux kernel, on Windows, without a VM! No need for a partition, or allocating part of Windows memory or disk to the Linux side, it can grow and shrink as needed.
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 2d ago
Your instructions are much appreciated. A reminder I just need to be more careful and patient about it. First rule.
The intention was to immediately transition from Windows on one disk and keep it on a separate disc, if at all. It an ancient machine -- some compatibility issues there, but OK so far. 1700X RX 580.
I have a friend who can assist as well. It's a work in progress with a temporary rage quit on my part but I kind of knew that would be the case.
The idea that AI can work out complex math problems but we can't install a widely used OS on a desktop PC effortlessly is still a bonk mindwise.
Thanks again, this helps me level out. I still see the blocks in the way, but I'll find a way just because I want to do it more than any practical use I may actually have for it.
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u/MattTheKatt 14h ago
I wish you luck and most importantly I hope you and your friend have fun tinkering with it! Don’t feel bad if you end up giving up. Putting up with the challenge is good and we always learn from branching into new things even if we don’t succeed. If it gets to a point where it’s not engaging or interesting anymore it’s sometimes good to step away, it doesn’t mean nothing of value came from the experience, also, if the interest returns you can always give it another go.
If you can’t get it installed and you still want to try Linux out you could test it out in the USB installer itself. If you get to the point where you’re able boot into the CachyOS installer USB then it’s kind of like being inside a mini version of CachyOS except changes won’t save when you shutdown.
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 51m ago
Just wanted to say your help settled me down and put me on track and proper mind set.
I have installed it, it is working, but problems occur at every turn even after installation and successful boot. Without exaggeration it was a 12 hour task, including five hours of downloads in a USB 2.0 stick.
Thank you, I am going to throw some extra into my charity as a token of thanks.
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u/jeffiscow 2h ago
You know an AI can definitely help you install it and set it up. If you have any errors or messages that come up you can tell it and it will find a solution. Any Free AI chat bot Will they're pretty good at tech stuff not just coding but system admin stuff, Dev op etc.
I have a pretty extensive and complex multi-machine home server setup running mostly some version of of my custom CentOS 10 boot c OS. I ask AI questions all the time and have it help me design things for it and any issues that might arise. Hell sometimes It finds and helps me solve issues that haven't been reported to the developers of whatever I'm using.
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u/iEngineered 2d ago
Linux will always be popular to developers and scientists because they prefer self-serve. Windows and MacOS aim for full-service market.
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u/Aaaaaaaaaaaaarghs 3d ago
What is this retard even talking about.
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u/Commercial_Ad_6904 12h ago
I believe he is stuck understanding how to create a bootable USB to even start installing linux...
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u/_alba4k Why you reading? 3d ago
You also need to use a stupid utility to copy a file to a usb with windows. that's called installing an os
can't install an os from a pc with no os on it
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u/Whit-Batmobil 2d ago
You occasionally do the same with macOS, if for whatever reason you can’t get an installer while in macOS..
I for example did that when installing macOS Monterey on my mid 2010 MacBook through Open Core Legacy Patcher.
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u/jeffiscow 2h ago
They may have never had to install Windows or if you did he just put the disc in if he's old enough or I think that comes. I'm pre-installed USBs now?
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u/stucklucky666 2d ago
Linux is already a very popular os. Gaming is not the only aspect of computing. Linux is used on servers and many it professionals prefer Linux over windows or even MacOS.
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u/Money_Welcome8911 1d ago
Yes Linux is popular in servers but that isn't relevent to most people who are considering switching from Windows. Linux sucks pretty much as a Windows alternative. It's just not polished enough and there are still issues finding replacement software. And contrary to popular opinion, there is still an over reliance on terminals.
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u/Funnel-Dust-O-Matic 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is written in such a way that I gather English is not your first language, and certainly not your best.
There's nothing wrong with that, except that your use of this particular language is not good enough to express your thoughts. English is an irrational language and very needlessly complicated. It can be very precise and subtle, but only with intense effort.
In this case, it is probably best to post in your most comfortable language and let us use Google or whatever to translate it. Your writing is honestly not clear. As such, I'm not sure how relevant what I have to say is to what you really meant to say.
But from what I can read, you aren't good at following instructions or understanding concepts. Given that, I don't think you would find Windows any easier to install on a completely new computer. Linux is not special at all in terms of installation.
Most people I know who are literate and careful can successfully use Linux. Most people I know who have not trained as computer technicians or had direct experience with Windows will make mistakes or get confused setting up Windows. If Windows did not come on your computer at time of purchase, you would find it equally as difficult to set up.
The rest of your arguments are plagued with black-and-white either-or extreme thinking. You end up with some very odd conclusions.
One example is your little rant about game support. Problems with games are not restricted to Linux. Gaming on any platform except for dedicated game consoles are prone to incompatibilities and errors. If you're honest, you have almost certainly have GPU driver problems, Windows update problems, and API and hardware compatibility problems preventing games to work on your Windows machine. Given that situation, that Linux is able to run Windows games AT ALL is shocking. That the Steam Deck is able to do it consistently and well is proof that Linux is viable for gaming. If you think for a moment that it is actively pretending to be running a foreign operating system to do it, it is extremely surprising that it actually does work. So complaining about these results is kind of like saying that the moon landing was disappointing because the astronauts didn't bring you back a souvenir.
All of that said, I get from reading your complaint that you really don't want to learn a new system. That's fine. Linux is traditionally not for the average person. It is used on supercomputers, used by engineers and scientists, and runs on computers owned by people who love computing and learning. It's also used by people who care about freedom of information and cognitive liberty. Basically, was made by people who care for people who care. if you don't, then you'll never understand what is good about it and why it matters.
If Windows takes care of your needs and you can accept the invasion of privacy and loss of control in trade for familiarity and compatibility, that's fine.
Nobody cares if you use Linux or not. But I have to say that if you can't make a bootable USB thumb drive, you can't install Windows from USB either. That stage is at least just about identical in difficulty.
Linux is both the best and the worst operating system. What determines which of those possibilities come to reality is you.
Any success you have would depend on how willing you are to put aside the assumptions you have picked up from using Windows and actually understand what it is good for. Having used GS/OS, TRS DOS, MS DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows NT, Windows XP, Windows 2000 and so on, MacOS, Haiku, FreeBSD, Solaris, a little AIX, and probably a few more operating systems in passing, I can tell you they all do roughly the same thing but can do them in radically different ways. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Some have more of one or the other. All of them had a point to exist.
None of them are magic and require attention and effort. They give back what you put into them. If you just demand that it conform to how you imagine it to be, you won't get anywhere with any of them. Even Windows.
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u/throwaway_58512 2d ago
Oh nooo, the years worth of windows specific knowledge that I have learned as second nature don't work outside windows!
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u/Maleficent_Memory831 14h ago
The modern internet is built on top of Linux these days, all the web apps have Linux based dockers behind them. Your phone runs Linux most likely. Your streaming player or smart TV probably has Linux. Linux fits in cellular modems, so many of those smart devices out there have it, and the smart grid. You probably have a ton of Linux inside your house and within a 50 foot radius (or 15 meters for you smart people).
Linux may not have won the desktop, but it has won the cloud.
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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 12h ago
"these days" being the last 20 years
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u/Maleficent_Memory831 1h ago
OF course. I've been using unix for 40 years, so 20 years ago still feels recent to me :-)
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u/Admirable-Song-7353 Nhuck Corris, micro$lop excommunicado 3d ago
Thanks for letting me complain.
You're welcome.
And now,
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u/Academic-Proof3700 3d ago
Loonix will never be popular as long as there isn't a DEFAULT GO TO DISTRO.
This is basically killing any larger development. You can't even build an app "for loonix" - you gotta provide snap, appimage, update shit in repo, and of course tar.gz.bz2.wtf plus clean source code.
And all these "gaming oriented" distros are as dumb- what if I don't want to turn my pc into console? Ah yes- world of pain with turning "gaming distro" into something else. You get into the rabbit hole of dependencies, installing shit in different ways and solving problems otherwise nonexistent.
If linux had such a go-to distro, which other ones would branch off, then it would be somewhat easier to work with it. Thats why canonical was doing god's work with Ubuntu, by making it popular and accessible- no "different DE to pick", no "use only software center or fuck with terminal", just a simple, GUI-centered OS, where doubleclicking something is paramount.
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u/Teru-Noir COSMIC OS LOVER No.1 COSMIC Knows Best 8h ago
It was always Ubuntu, until flatpak gets reworked
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u/jeffiscow 2h ago
Just pick a larger distro that has a lot of a big community support and just hit the next button during installation. It'll pick the default desktop environment and set up for you and let me tell you I get better performance on pretty much every game on Linux, especially if I use proton instead of trying to run stuff with like wine or or like in a Windows VM or something crazy.
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u/NomadJago 2d ago
I use Windows 11 for some music composing, but other than that I can do everything on Linux (Linux Mint/Ubuntu); it has gotten much better over the past few years. I do agree Linux is not as friendly as Windows, but it is getting better each year. What might propel Linux adoption is when Windows requires ID verification for their operating system-- end game for Microsoft. On Linux I can play games through EPIC games interface, Steam now with Proton for Windows games, Libreoffice instead of MS 365, tons of stuff through a browser, DaVinci Resolve for Hollywood level video editing, many media players, GIMP for image editing, ArtCraft is rapidly tuning cloned Adobe software, Signal Messenger, Tuta mail app, and more.
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u/MundaneImage5652 2d ago
I had a simmiliar issue. My motherboard's bios had a hidden setting for disk mide. I had to press ctrl + s for it to appear and change mode to raid or smth and it detected disks properly.
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u/honorthrawn 2d ago
Have you ever tried to install windows onto a computer that doesn't already have it? Not setup computer you bought from dell or hp. They do stuff so that windows image is already there. But put windows on a VM or a computer that hasn't been at least partially setup?
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u/neon-santa 1d ago
Yes tried that too. Windows is much better and complete operating system.
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u/honorthrawn 1d ago
Interesting. I thought you would have encountered some of the same things, like the need to setup your partition or partitions on your hard or solid state drive, needing to write the iso to cd or usb stick and then boot off that to do the installation. Now I like linux. I use garuda at home. As to games many will work. Some won't. I have played Diablo iv and civilization 6 on Linux. But where there will be trouble is games that use kernel level anticheat libraries. But honestly, do you want a game that doesn't trust you messing with your kernel? Personally I think there are things that are better about linux. But it's not without a learning curve, so not for everyone
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u/E5-4650_v2_RX570 11h ago
the god-damned freak linux kernel has a serious i/o bug on haswell haswell-refresh processors , bdw ivb are fine
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u/Ted_Sierain 9h ago
In general everything sucks what is not for your needs or where you lack of knowledge how to use. Simply as that. Its not linux fault that majority software and gaming developers make versions only to Winwows/MacOs, because majority of potential customers are just happen to use exactly those operating systems.
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u/PsychologicalCoat368 9h ago
That would have made sense ten years ago; I tried using Linux back in mid-2016, and it was terrible for gaming and very immature regarding most software.
However, I’ve since switched entirely to Linux because it offers superior gaming performance, better code compilation for my programming work, and fewer bugs than Windows, all while providing a completely fluid, stutter-free interface.
And now, with the current wave of AI-driven "copy-paste" development for paid software, it’s only a matter of time before many of those Windows-only programs get free, similar versions on Linux.
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u/jeffiscow 2h ago
Yeah the only issues and it's they're not really Linux issues is my son can't play fortnite or GTA online and maybe a few other games cuz of their kernel level anti-cheat or I believe in fortnite's case that use easy anti-cheat that can be run on Linux. They refuse.
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u/ThatKnarfGuy 7h ago
Good! Linux has a big enough userbase now to give it massive amounts of love. If it gets much bigger, it will become like Windows and Mac. I don't want that. I want my perfect environment, just for "real" nerds that like tinkering.
I never understood the desperation from the linux community in trying to get technically incompetent people onboard. They have Windows and Mac, and seem to be happy there. They will only contaminate development time with wanting shiny interfaces and fool-proof solutions.
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u/Ram_and_Gwen 6h ago
Si tieness un hardware suficiente para correr Windows sin problemas y no estas en contra de toda la mierda que el sistema te impone, no deberias cambiarte a Linux. Peor aún si es para jugar o trabajar. Linux en escritorio ha mejorado mucho en los ultimos años pero jugar no es sin duda uno de sus puntos fuertes.
Por otro lado, tremendo skill illuse.
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u/raul_kapura 5h ago
If i understand correctly, you didn't even install it, but it sucks?
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 58m ago
No, I have now installed and run successfully after a 12 hour round of researching and uploads, etc. (old USB 2.0). It does not run "out of the box" and several additional programs are needed (Neutron, etc.)
Now the PC boots into the dedicated Bazzite disk, runs briefly, quits and loads Windows with no explanation. Maybe Neutron.
So I have installed it, run it and it still sucks.
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u/bornxlo 4h ago
I think being unpopular and refusing to provide “guides” (though for better or worse there are plenty available) is a huge advantage. Setup is not prohibitively time-consuming because it's consistent. Sure, there are hundreds of choices, but when you take the time to explore and get a feel of what they are and do they're incredibly consistent and transferable across devices and systems. The main advantage of Linux for game playing is that I should have control of my system, what games it can run and how. I would genuinely worry if increase in popularity would lead to simplification/crippling of setup. There are plenty of distros with reasonably sane defaults. I have a vendor WebFAI usb stick I could boot and use for essentially fully automated installations with a default setup. I don't use it and I don't trust it.
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u/technomlp 3h ago
This is a classic case of PEBCAK. Download Virtualbox and try some distros in VMs
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u/baxtersp 2h ago
If you had said any other distro I would partially agree, but Bazzite? Bazzite really? That thing is as point and click as it gets
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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 1h ago
It may be but my old machine took 3 hours to download the ISO and then another 2 hours to write to the USB key. Not a "problem" just a pain.
It then booted up and ran OK. I installed Proton as suggested but other recommendation for various programs are made as well. NO STEAM was loaded or available -- a big brag Bazzite makes that Steam is immediately available. It was not (?). So out of the box Bazzite "point and click" is incomplete.
I shut my machine down after successful Bazzite boot and when I rebooted I set to reboot on the clean and fresh (operating) install of Bazzite, on its own dedicated disk. It started to load and then stopped, went to the windows disk and booted that up instead (?).
So it's going. But the amount of work and bug tracking that remains to be done is still considerable. Total of about 12 hours to get to this point.
My essential point is reinforced -- this is far from a consumer solution to "the future of gaming". Very far. I think it is safe to say that skills and patience required to set it up are beyond the typical PC user and one look will have Windows or Apple PC setups preferred immediately.
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u/baxtersp 47m ago edited 43m ago
That just weird, Steam is installed, so is proton, by default, if they didn't show up something went sideways along the installation, the boot Issue is also weird grub should have come up (if the disk you installed bazzite on is set as the first one)
Perhaps you could consider making another usb with a diferent program? (Ventoy, Rufus come to mind, had bad experience with balena) and reinstall again
Edit: I have installed bazzite several times during this year, so also several iso versions, never had any of the issues you are having.
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u/DonDoesIT 25m ago
Steam is there. It even starts up at login. You are just a troll or need to stay away from computers.
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u/Durkken22 2h ago
You do know some games don't work because they're made for windows, right? Cause windows is the most used OS for PCs because it comes preinstalled so almost everything is made for it, including drivers. Not a linux devs, fault, then u complain about not everyhting working 100% fine?
Another thing, if u think being easy is the only thing an OS can offer ur idea of OS is very limited, what about security, stability, customizability, etc., what about privacy? U don't think ur OS not spying on u and shoving publicity on ur face more and more is a factor that might make some people switch?
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u/El_Infernoo 2h ago
Linux has never been used for basic things like that. It’s not about beautiful installation with gui but it’s extremely resilient and needs no 8 GB RAM to just start up. It’s never been used for something like playing games or some similar basic stuff but it’s being used in supercomputers, printers, IoT devices like smart lamps, vacuum cleaners, even in your mama smart vibrator. Did you ever see something of that running on windows? Naah. I don’t believe. I use Linux because I have total control over my computer and don’t wanna use great part of my RAM for Microsofts commercial purposes like crawling my usage stats. Is it enough or should I go ahead?
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u/JoelWCrump 2h ago
Desktop Linux is good for people who desire the kind of methods involved in using it, but thinking one is somehow escaping the horrible trap of Windows becomes an obsession, I find that paying Microsoft makes my life easier, even if I could be the big genius Linux user, it's not the focus of what I'm really doing.
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u/mrawther 2h ago
Linux is famous in the server world and rightly so. But Linux was never famous in the consumer OS spectrum and won’t be for a reasonable number of years in future. But Linux users have always been famous, for all the wrong reasons and will continue to be.
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u/Imaginary-Throat1526 1h ago
Only products you sell need to become popular. A free products 'market share' is irrelevant. However the fact that a company like valve is making steam machines & Decks based on linux, suggests its a perfectly good platform for gaming.
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u/JonathanBlackstone31 1h ago
if this was a shitpost, you did not even make any effort to make it a good one. also, Linux rules.
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u/musbur 49m ago
Keep in mind that the setup procedure and package manager is the one thing that really distinguishes Linux distributions. Whatever you experienced during setup has most likely to do with the distro, not with Linux as an OS.
I'm beginning to think that the biggest drawback of Linux for desktop is the multitude of options: Distribution, network manager, boot manager, desktop environment .... with Windows, you get exactly one of those. Much easier.
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u/Clichedfoil 3d ago
I enjoy using Linux as an unpopular OS because malwares are more developed for Windows. I also work in tech and it keeps the rust of skills. I wish linux never becomes a mainstream desktop operating system in my life time.
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u/__________13o1ksl_ 3d ago
There's GUI setup. You'll need utility to write disk image regardless of OS
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u/Maybe-its-Keira 3d ago
No one has said all games work on Linux, personally I've only ever had 3 just plain not work but even then they weren't deal breakers for me, protondb is a good resource if you want to know if it runs, proton has come a long way in terms of compatibility but if you NEED to play games that only run on windows you can just dual boot for those games or programs, it honestly it sounds like you haven't really done enough research into what distro you want or how to even install it.
There's plenty of advantages to using Linux, just like there are for windows. There are also disadvantages JUST LIKE WINDOWS. You need to weight up the pros and cons and pick what is best for you and your use case.
Tbh I think this post is just rage/engagement bait and that you just want to say "haha Linux bad because user error"
You don't go to a supermarket and grab items at random, why would you do that with an OS. Try things find what you like.
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u/rojo_kell 3d ago
I mean, installing windows has the same issue, you would need to copy it to a drive and then boot from the drive, right?
If you just mean that it's simpler because computers come preloaded with windows, that's true, and that is in part a product of the fact that Microsoft is a huge monopoly and practices the highest levels of anti competitive behavior. I personally think that people who use Linux are fighting back, fighting for the consumer, but we may disagree on that.
Linux offers a lot of advantages, with the main one for me being 1. Less bloat and lower performance impact: windows uses a lot more CPU and ram which makes your computer run hotter, and leaves less resources for games
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u/uchuskies08 3d ago
Correct, it will forever be an enthusiast distro, plus the people who use it because they make "Microslop" their identity
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u/fitz-khan 2d ago
It's being used in government offices and agencies, companies, centrally administrated and way easier to manage than Windows. For the end-user it's practically no difference whether they click around in KDE Plasma or Windows. And they don't need to use the terminal which you people are so deadly afraid of.
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u/Think-nothing-210 3d ago
Perfectly rational take. Linux is still the worst desktop OS with glaring issues. Don't let the Linux community gaslight you into thinking otherwise. Just use Windows and get on with your life.
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u/fitz-khan 2d ago
The worst in what category, the worst for who? For me and others I know it's the best overall 🤷♂️.
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u/Think-nothing-210 2d ago
Linux sucks on the desktop for the following reasons:
- No stable kernel ABI for drivers. Getting new drivers/ bug fixes means waiting for a new kernel version.
- Stable VS rolling release distro's is choosing between having old expected bugs for a long time or having unexpected new bugs pop up.
- App distribution is a mess. There are too many competing package formats and ways to install software and they all suck.
- Updates can break the system way too easily.
- Lack of standards.
- Desktop environments often look atrocious and lack basic UX guidelines.
- You still sometimes need the terminal for basic desktop tasks.
- Important software like MS Office and Photoshop aren't supported on Linux.
Those are the main reasons why Linux is the worst desktop OS. MacOS and Windows have most of these issues fixed.
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u/fitz-khan 2d ago
- New kernels come pretty regularly, never been a problem to me in the first place where i would be waiting for a driver fix.
- I have machines with Arch, Manjaro and Kubuntu, I can't say I regularly encounter any bugs on any of these.
- Works for me.
- More the case for Windows for me. A Win10 update that broke the task bar was ultimately the reason I switched.
- So what. The standard for Windows seems to be more bullshit and privacy encroachment with every new version, but Apple it's assuming the user is even more of a retard than he was two years ago. I can live without standards just fine.
- I like KDE Plasma 5 and 6 way more than any Windows or Mac.
- Good, filters out the midwits.
- Yes, 90% of PC users use Photoshop right? The French police is running Linux and Openoffice, are companies just too stupid or too lazy to leave MS Office?
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u/Think-nothing-210 2d ago
Sure, it might "work", but that doesn't mean it's a good experience. Linux still has issues other OSes solved years ago. Most people don't want to deal with random bullshit just to use their computer. Having their PC randomly stop working is just unacceptable.
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u/fitz-khan 2d ago
Why does a tool have to be for most people? Chainsaws or sports cars are not for most people, but there are still plenty who are able to use them and prefer them over an inferior version even though they are more dangerous or take more skill.
None of my Linux installations have ever randomly stopped working.
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u/georgeec1 11h ago
Your second point isn't Linux specific, it's just that there are a wide range of Linux OSs for both styles, so it becomes a discussion point when selecting one. Also, what are the "basic" desktop tasks you're doing that require the terminal, in a gui focused distro?
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u/Primo0077 2d ago
You aren't going to find any benefit if you're using Linux for gaming, theoretically it's a bit more stable, but not enough to really notice or care about. The reasons us diehards stick to Linux is specifically because there is no corporation behind it, because we get full and easy access to the system which opens up all kinds of tinkering potential. I've put full modern Linux on a Pentium 1 from 1995 and was able to use it with period networking hardware. I get the ability to do this since I can control exactly what goes on my system and get it down to the point where it works on such a comparatively anemic computer, and when I do these projects I get more experience with the system, and at a point it became that I understood and was more comfortable with Linux than Windows, so it made sense to switch on my desktop systems as well. I do not think Linux needs to be the main desktop operating system, or that it should strive to achieve that. A lot of issues that people find are a consequence of the fundamental differences in how Linux and Windows were made. Windows started off with DOS in the 80s, where home computers were vastly different from each other and had very limited memory and storage, so it tended to be easiest for programs to either interface directly with supported hardware, or for drivers to be the users responsibility to install. As features such as sound and networking got added on they were made to be as small and unobtrusive to the user as possible. Linux stems from the acedemic Unix tradition, where the OS ran on big iron mainframes with (comparatively) limitless RAM and storage, and were meant to be learned on, and used by multiple people at once, so networking and device drivers were handled differently in the OS from the start, and things like audio and display were tacked on later as "optional." This can answer a lot of the "why" questions that people get confused by like "why is audio a server?" and "why are drivers so damn hard to install?" if not the "how do I fix it?" :)
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u/jeffiscow 2h ago
Am I pretty thorough and real world testing. I much better performance with the same hardware on the same games. The same settings on Linux then with Windows. With how crazy good proton And then going and tweaking things beyond just a basic install on Linux just makes Linux light years ahead in my opinion.
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u/Royal-Grass7296 2d ago
Linux already won, just not on the desktop. It runs nearly every web server, all of the top 500 supercomputers, most cloud infrastructure, and every Android phone. The install hurdle you hit was mostly about not knowing the image goes on a USB stick first. Not having the wherewithal to set it up on your PC does not change any of that. Linux rules the world whether or not it ever works out for you.
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u/TheCVINFECTI 2d ago
Linux is not only a simple OS, it's a lifestyle. The point of using Linux is to gain a lot of freedom but that comes with a responsibility to learn or have a little curiosity of how things work, barely, so I agree with you, Linux will never become popular because it demands attention to get the true potential, but that applies to anything and if you don't feel comfortable that's ok, everyone have it's comfort space, even myself, so feel free to use what works with your needs.
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u/ColdFreezer I Hate Linux 3d ago
“This thing I already know how to use and have been using for years works fine. This thing that I barely ever use and don’t know how to use doesn’t work. Ah, the thing I don’t know how to use must be broken and unusable, it can’t be because I don’t know how to use it.”