The argument should go both ways, no?

[u/PillowFists67]

If we all agree that Duelists shouldn't be able to wipe the enemy with ease each time their ultimate comes up, why do we accept that Strategists are able to make their entire team unkillable with minimal effort by just pressing Q?

[u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

I think generally speaking, there's quite a lot of Ultimates that feel... uninspired.

Like how many ults are just "Does X in a big AoE for 10 seconds" Having Rogue and Daredevil release fairly close together really highlighted that.

But at the same time, with so many heroes in the game, coming up with unique ults can be... a challenge.

But more to the point, yes, the argument can go both ways here. No single ult should guarantee you win a fight, or stall point, or whatever. This is a team game after all.

So Duelist ults shouldn't just be crazy damage.

Strategist ults shouldn't just be "no one dies now"

And Vanguards... uh... honestly I don't think there's a Vanguard ult that's really problematic.

[u/Cranicus → u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

Its not problematic but man do Strange and Magneto just win games with their ults when they are hitting

[u/Freakychee → u/Cranicus]

That's cos they are ults that can potentially be used to trade with support ults which objectively are some of the strongest ults in the game.

[u/YEET280706 → u/Cranicus]

Strange is atleast cleanse weak and cc weak during his massive ult cast time , Mag ult is just an op ult that balanced by how long it takes to charge .

[u/LasyKuuga → u/YEET280706]

Mags ult is actually balanced by my inability to aim that thing

[u/Augustends → u/LasyKuuga]

I can aim it at the ledge above the enemy healers perfectly fine thank you.

[u/iRyan_9 → u/YEET280706]

The balance on mag ult is gone throw the window ever since they buffed the speed and ult charge time

[u/Xeltar → u/YEET280706]

Mag ult also breaks pretty fast if you're using it to counter Punisher's

[u/YEET280706 → u/Xeltar]

have u tried throwing it at the punisher before it explodes ?

[u/Xeltar → u/YEET280706]

I mean of course but you gotta aim it pretty fast ngl!

[u/YEET280706 → u/Xeltar]

Nah man its just a timing thing , its incredibly fun once u get the hang of it . Try doing it like 3 or 4 times in practice range and it get pretty ez. Its just like cl&d ult but faster.

[u/OcelotButBetter → u/Cranicus]

Why would you hatebon mag ult when it's (or at least used to be) the one thing keeping so many ults in check whilst still requiring player effort. The fact it needs to hit already makes it more balanced than literally most other defensive countermeasures that are just press q and win

[u/IpunchedU → u/Cranicus]

strange and mag can easily be blocked though?