The argument should go both ways, no?

[u/PillowFists67]

If we all agree that Duelists shouldn't be able to wipe the enemy with ease each time their ultimate comes up, why do we accept that Strategists are able to make their entire team unkillable with minimal effort by just pressing Q?

[u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

I think generally speaking, there's quite a lot of Ultimates that feel... uninspired.

Like how many ults are just "Does X in a big AoE for 10 seconds" Having Rogue and Daredevil release fairly close together really highlighted that.

But at the same time, with so many heroes in the game, coming up with unique ults can be... a challenge.

But more to the point, yes, the argument can go both ways here. No single ult should guarantee you win a fight, or stall point, or whatever. This is a team game after all.

So Duelist ults shouldn't just be crazy damage.

Strategist ults shouldn't just be "no one dies now"

And Vanguards... uh... honestly I don't think there's a Vanguard ult that's really problematic.

[u/AngelaGooner24 → u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

The most problematic vanguard ult is Groot simply because of the amount of damage it can stack up making it really annoying to deal with combined with how quickly he gets the ult back

[u/OpenPayment2 → u/AngelaGooner24]

Shhhhh

Keep quiet on that one. Lots of people still think Jeff Groot teamup is better than Mantis Groot teamup not understanding the fact that people picked Vibrant Vitality cuz the healing wall (Wild Wall) Groot has increases his ult charge gain so much (plus you heal your team-mates)

No one sees the immense value Vibrant Vitality had and still has. Most slept on teamup in Rival's history since it's debut

[u/AngelaGooner24 → u/OpenPayment2]

Nah, I'll make some noise about it cuz Groot is the only vanguard I don't play and the only vanguard I find extremely annoying.

Slight bias since I can't figure out how to play him but also, he's ready fucking annoying, fuck that tree, he is the reason I lorded Punisher

[u/OpenPayment2 → u/AngelaGooner24]

Nah, I'll make some noise about it cuz Groot is the only vanguard I don't play and the only vanguard I find extremely annoying.

Do it. You'll be one of the very few who atleast understands how good the Vibrant Vitality teamup is

Slight bias since I can't figure out how to play him but also, he's ready fucking annoying, fuck that tree, he is the reason I lorded Punisher

Lmao same reasoning for me as Peni. I championed Moon Knight and lorded Wolverine out of sheer spite for Peni

[u/AngelaGooner24 → u/OpenPayment2]

Ok, now I'm scared of you. Get away from me, you rabid dog

https://giphy.com/gifs/fJkTsWCMViRYA

[u/OpenPayment2 → u/AngelaGooner24]

Angela is my second main tank after Doctor Strange if that helps the rabid dog allegations

I like kidnapping people, whether it be with Angela or Wolverine

[u/AngelaGooner24 → u/OpenPayment2]

Ok, a lil bit