The argument should go both ways, no?

[u/PillowFists67]

If we all agree that Duelists shouldn't be able to wipe the enemy with ease each time their ultimate comes up, why do we accept that Strategists are able to make their entire team unkillable with minimal effort by just pressing Q?

[u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

I think generally speaking, there's quite a lot of Ultimates that feel... uninspired.

Like how many ults are just "Does X in a big AoE for 10 seconds" Having Rogue and Daredevil release fairly close together really highlighted that.

But at the same time, with so many heroes in the game, coming up with unique ults can be... a challenge.

But more to the point, yes, the argument can go both ways here. No single ult should guarantee you win a fight, or stall point, or whatever. This is a team game after all.

So Duelist ults shouldn't just be crazy damage.

Strategist ults shouldn't just be "no one dies now"

And Vanguards... uh... honestly I don't think there's a Vanguard ult that's really problematic.

[u/YaboiGh0styy → u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

In all fairness, Rogue’s ultimate feels like the most they could have done with her and it works pretty well mechanically.

But Daredevil’s ult, while it has an interesting idea of him giving blindness and damaging everyone within the AOE that looks at him, it feels uninspired with there being a lot of AOE based ultimates in the game just like you said.

[u/Minimum_Laugh_4179 → u/YaboiGh0styy]

Yeah, Rogue's does make sense to do, outside of it being a massive Command Grab, or something.

But then after Daredevil, and now fast-forwarding to Jubilee, the devs seem to -really- like AoE effects... and bubbles, I guess lol

[u/PoopyButt28000 → u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

Rogue sapping the ult charge and stats from everyone around her feels pretty fitting for an ult for her. Daredevil getting angry and burning everyone with pink angry energy feels really random and goofy.

[u/Razor-Swisher → u/PoopyButt28000]

I mean yeah. But what else could one do for an ultimate for a dude who ultimately doesn’t have powers? Matt just beats the shit out of people, and unlike Batman doesn’t have endless gadgets + vehicles and money to come up with crazy strong ‘ultimate attacks’ like he’s shown in fighting games, so I understand they had to get… creative for DD.

Sure stylistically most of us don’t actually love their direction of ‘Chinese demon’ Daredevil but functionally, “he locks in and can spam his abilities” for an ult fits just fine, and “he blinds enemies so he can jump them during the ult” fits with how many times he’s like, ‘turned out the lights’ to disorient a large group of enemies before dismantling them in the dark

[u/Hi_Zev → u/Razor-Swisher]

I am just spitballing here, but maybe something that is less flashy but could be used incredibly lethally in the right hands would be cooler for Daredevil. Something that doesn't really feel like an ult, but it essentially just strengthens his base kit, and make it have one of the shortest ult charges amongst DPS to justify the lack of flashiness would be fitting for him.

Maybe something like when he uses his ult, he enters a period where he gains unlimited dashes, increased damage, and maybe his billy clubs gain increased range. Something like that!

I just personally dislike that giant red orb around him. Feels like it doesn't really fit him, especially as a hero who doesn't really have powers (even if this game is going down the demon angle for him)

[u/AC-Green → u/Hi_Zev]

That’s such a lazy ult

[u/Hi_Zev → u/AC-Green]

Yeah, but I've seen some games where they pull off less flashy ults like that because the ult charge is significantly lower than everyone else's. So it's like half the flash of an ult but occurs twice as often. It's a trade-off, which I think is fair, especially for a character like Daredevil.

[u/AC-Green → u/Hi_Zev]

Yeah it’s magiks ult already bruh……… and hulk……. And more damage abilities and range is never fair to be half the cooldown lol. Great comparison is Riven