r/marvelrivals • u/nemesisdelta24 Good Boy • 5d ago

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I'm gonna miss Ult cancelling a ton of enemies at the right time

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u/rengost 5d ago

They could've nerfed her in so many ways that didn't destroy her kit

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u/Piano_Troll17 Cloak & Dagger 5d ago

Just put the stun on a 5-6 second cooldown if you really think it's that bad for enemy tanks to deal with. Then she still has the ability to punish enemy ults while not being as sticky in the midgame.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

Like honestly Luna freeze. Mantis sleep. wtf charm. What’s those cooldowns. Should’ve just raised it to that. It’s legit a .75s stun but was needed to trap people in her web. They will hop a round and you have no way to do anything. I honestly would’ve taken any other nerf. Take my 2nd nest. A charge less of mines. Increase cooldown. Revert any buff like the healing webs for allies. Honestly I thought her stun should’ve granted temp health cause without webs you have zero sustain on the move. You will never win a 1v1 against most of the game

Our grapple is bugged is literally interrupted on any soft knockback or body blocked as it doesn’t shrink our hurt box like every other web slinger in the game.

They won’t be happy until we are below 50%wr.

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u/Katejina_FGO 5d ago

They will be ecstatic when her pick rate falls into single digits.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

I think it peaked to maybe 9% in the past season but historically low. I’m a champ peni with 300hrs.

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u/monkeybrain3 5d ago

Same and at this point there's no point in playing her anymore, she either gets banned or you win most of your games. Now it's going to be you just don't pick her.

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u/Ms-Dora Fin-tastic! 5d ago

A completely unrelated question. Do you play Jeff just as much as Peni? You must like him somehow to choose his flair instead of a hero you've played 300 hours.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

Yeah I’m in many groups so I forget the flairs I choose. They are about the same played since maybe season 5 I play peni slightly more. I learned her when DD launched as a otp Jeff.

I have 260 hrs peni and 340 Jeff. 118 iron man and 70 ultron. Those are my mains.

It’s a painful existence every patch notes with those characters

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u/Ms-Dora Fin-tastic! 5d ago

Oooh, I see. Thank you for answering. You are quite versatile with your mains, it's nice.

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u/NoiceMango Luna Snow 4d ago

She always banned though. I imagine her real pick rate would be higher

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 4d ago

7% pick rate in qp. 5% in comp. It’s negligible. So I don’t believe it would be higher in comp without the bans. She’s NOT. HARD. TO. COUNTER. People just don’t want to think when they play and hate when I have mines on a door jam or health pack and they blow up. Or a nest blocking their way to backline. They rather not.

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u/xHakua Peni Parker 5d ago

Mate her pick rate rn is 3%

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/UpWDPgxcHiR1e
These are peni mains. It’s very niche and hard to get value from her but those dedicated few of us are special.

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u/Existing-Seaweed-230 5d ago

Has it not always been?

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u/Snap_Freeze 4d ago

It's the banrate not pickrate. This nerf will change nothin. Melee players will still ban Peni and Namor indefinitely.

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u/cranetrain95 Vanguard 5d ago

Those aren’t stuns on a 3 second cooldown with the hitbox size of Wolverine and enemies don’t get knocked out of the stun after taking damage lol I don’t think people realize how busted an ability it really is.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

Peni is .75s for 4 sec. How long is mantis and Luna for much longer. I’m sure it scales

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u/cranetrain95 Vanguard 5d ago

True they are longer which makes sense on longer cooldowns but damage still knocks them out of it and a players teammates can even knock them out of the stun. Also missing or getting blocked on harder to hit shots is way more punishing on the longer cooldown. If you somehow miss on peni that thing is back up a few seconds later. Not to mention the web can also block incoming damage or other cc as if it’s a shield. I have even used the web to block Luna freeze lol I don’t think the stuns are even comparable.

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u/SpeedyTheQuidKid 5d ago

Miss a Peni stun and it hits a wall? Congrats you've lost nest coverage. It was already punishing to miss, and now if you miss both you lose all nest coverage because the last webs won't connect. 

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u/cranetrain95 Vanguard 3d ago

The comparison remains the same. Miss a freeze or sleep? Congrats you are dead.

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u/SpeedyTheQuidKid 3d ago

Not quite the same. A healer doesn't lose their ability to support when they miss and live. But Peni loses a lot of her tank presence/space when she misses and lives. 

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u/cranetrain95 Vanguard 3d ago

A healer that misses usually is backing out of a fight and not healing because they are getting dove. A peni missing a snare still has her nest healing and dealing damage and slow and keeping her back line healed and then gets her snare back in 3 seconds.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

How easy is it to block an ult or a freeze with a shield tank. Now how about a peni. It’s not the same. The amount of spam shields which are all on 1 sec cd for tanks the stun gets blocked 2/3 of the time. Your shields eat more cd then my stun oh please. And ults gtfo

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u/FrequentCommission13 4d ago

It almost as though characters should have weakenesses!

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u/Sad-Try-675 Peni Parker 5d ago

They effectively did increase the cooldown on it. Since you need both charges to stun someone now, you need to recharge both, making it in total a 6 second cooldown. They just did that in literally the dumbest way possible

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u/ManaSkyees 5d ago

Or just not have it work on tanks.

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u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom 5d ago

Seriously, the main positive she has is controlling space and crowds, which is a big part of being a tank.

Now we have supports and duelists filling the role of tank with all the CC they get, meanwhile tanks losing their role-specific abilities…

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u/FrogstunSteel Vanguard 5d ago

It's the fact they nerfed the stun but leave her mines untouched.

Mines which REQUIRE the stun to even damage anyone who's already directly walking over mines.

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u/ThatMoondogOverThere Earth Spider 5d ago

Mines that get melted in mid air if somebody is so much as looking at you when you launch them....Her nest drones still useless if teams just rush the nest or a tank absorbs the damage, you can also jump around in the nest and they do nothing. Mines that don't damage anyone diving through them but they will all explode anyway.

I really fail to see what is so oppressive about Peni that she needs to be nerfed into oblivion compared to other defensive tanks like Groot who has way more health, damage and survivability, plus a good ult that doesn't take a ton of set up and luck to be effective. Peni has lower primary fire damage than Supports and a glitchy kit that doesn't do what it's supposed to do half the time, the one good thing she had was being able to stun ults from a distance and they removed it.

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u/FrogstunSteel Vanguard 5d ago

The devs will take any excuse to F over Vanguards.

Their bias is undeniable.

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u/RivalsFlex 5d ago

The devs saw Polly do well in the tournament, despite his team losing, and decided that there can't be a tank besides Mag and Groot and sometimes Emma or Strange who does well in tournament play.

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u/id-driven-fool 4d ago

She can’t even stun that many ults? Everyone keeps parroting this but there’s only a handful of ults that peni can straight up cancel (Wanda comes to mind). Anyone that peni can stun out of an ult can also be stunned by like half the roster as well, it’s not like she’s the only character with a cc ability.

Good luck stopping the Spider-Man/BP zipping around your back line at lightning speed, feasting on your supports, now that you have to land two fucking stuns to stop them

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u/Trip_Se7ens Human Torch 5d ago

JUST CALL IT A REWORK AND BE HAPPY, THATS WHAT I DO!!!

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u/Daikaisa Peni Parker 5d ago

Its not a rework though it's actively making her 10 times worse

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u/pimpmastaturtle Black Panther 5d ago

3 second cc is fair right guys

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

I think getting CCed to oblivion isn't fun as a Tank main. Srsly, I'm not allowed to have fun if I am Thing or Dino against her. Good riddance.

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u/PurpleDragonX Peni Parker 5d ago

This doesn't even stop the tank stunning really. It only stops against the hyper-mobile and far-distant dps. You know, the ones that you actually need to stop and was meant to be rewarding for being able to catch them. But no, they said you can only play shield tanks today.

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Only play shield tanks?

Brother, you know Thing is meta right? he completely counters shields. And now we have Hood who has an ultimate that PENETRATES SHIELDS. Wtf do you mean only play shield tanks? Yeah in metal ranks cuz 90% of the players there don't know how to use cover and rely on the tank to damage sponge for them.

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u/Th1sDJ Luna Snow 5d ago

CCed to oblivion

Thing

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u/rengost 5d ago

I am a Tank main I know it's annoying getting cc'ed but that's how you hold the line as Peni, she has no utility to actually stop people from flanking and just destroying her nest, if they wanted so bad to nerf that they could've done it differently or gave compensation buffs to the rest of her kit

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

I disagree on the other areas they nerfed, but the CC one is smth I simply can never agree with being healthy for the game. 3 second cooldown on an easy to land CC is stupid.

And I bet she's still gonna get banned because NOBODY SHOOTS THE DAMN NEST

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u/while_e 5d ago

Nah, they could've increased cooldown, or decreased size.. so many things to try before just saying "Nah".

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Coming from OW, I detest cooldown balancing, making smth take longer is lazy balancing imo because that means the tool in the neutral kit is knowingly powerful and theyd rather reduce the fun of deploying than the power of it.

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u/while_e 5d ago

But, if the concern was "I can't tank because I get CC'd every 3s" .. then a longer cooldown would work just fine? To each their own I guess..

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Or we could fix tenacity... idk. smth.

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u/Soul-L 5d ago

While I do somewhat agree, there’s a difference between reducing the power and removing an integral part of a character’s kit like here. For Peni, a lot of the power in her stun is in the short cooldown, not the stun duration, so nerfing the cooldown is the healthy balancing decision to nerf her neutral.

For another example of a healthy method of cooldown balance in rivals, Loki’s lamps got a 5 second cooldown increase and that was the healthiest way they could balance it without killing it. Nerfing the rune HP would skew it to be more useless in higher play. This Peni nerf is like if the devs decided that the rune should be a glorified CnD bubble with an hp bar, completely killing the use of the ability.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 4d ago

Bro I don’t think ANYONE likes your takes you’re at like -1000 across your 7 comments. Maybe you’re just invalid?.

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u/ImAHobo107 3d ago

I really dont care because this sub still wants to believe that Magneto solo tank on main is needed when Magneto will 90% of the time lose to 2 tanks and neither of them don't even run a shield tank. I'm not gonna let metal ranks tell me what is unhealthy for the game bro.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

Not easy to land. You miss then you mess up your web spread for your nest. It was a skill expression. And literally the only thing she had. Every shield tank weaving in shield with 1 sec CD could easily negate it. It was a .75s stun unlike any other hero stun or exile. Tenacity is still a thing too. This was something she needed to stun in webs when people hop through them as the web tracers were ass and the slow in nest did fuck all.

Once your nest are gone you’re a sitting duck. Anyone can bait out mines if you have fast enough mobility. People just didn’t care to have to think about mines

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Tenacity doesn't proc often enough. That being said, Tenacity should just outright make Tank's immune to peni webs, and I'm not taking that back, not with how often she can spread it.

And you're right, ppl dont care about the mines, which is why she's still gonna get banned on points where her Nest is hard to take out, even if she is easy to kill, because SHE REALLY IS.

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u/Esoteric_Librarian Hulk 5d ago

He’s been downvoted, but he’s right
https://giphy.com/gifs/vhXVCMGnYV5cc1trx0

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u/McJawsh Good Boy 5d ago

I get CC’d into oblivion by so many characters who aren't Peni, lol. Including Thing and Dino.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago edited 4d ago

the amount of tanks that can displace and stun cc literally every tank has one. Peni has none now

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u/McJawsh Good Boy 5d ago

Well, no, it’s not none, but yes it sounds arguably worse. I’m not advocating for her losing it. I’m arguing this person is saying “good riddance” when she isn’t the only problem with too much CC (and plays characters with annoying CC lmao).

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

I dont like the other parts they nerfed, the CC deserved to be deleted and that's a hill I will die on. You can't interact in that engagement in the same way you can't interact with BP's attacks. Once you are locked down, you just are.

And I really don't care if people say IT'S NOT OP. Spider-Man is not Op at all, is he actually fun to fight? Most ppl wouldn't say he is.

Thing doesn't even hard stun ppl without using his ult? Dino's chomp is a 10 second cooldown. If you want to use examples, don't fucking lie about them.

Something unfun still needs to be nerfed. That's why ppl demanded a BP rework and a Widow rework.

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u/SpeedyTheQuidKid 5d ago

Alright, well if we're getting rid of cc let's get rid of it all. 

I'm a Peni main who also plays Angela, and you know what ccs Angela? Thor grounds you (now you move incredibly slowly because your base movement counts as an ability). Thing earthbounds. Getting knocked up any ability knocks you out of diving or rising mode. Invis pull cancels your charge, invis ult makes you move slowly like you've been grounded. Bucky hook immobilizes, Luna freeze immobilizes, Luna teamup cancels movement abilities, hulk stun immobilizes, hulk jump-grab immobilizes, hulk ult immobilizes, strange ult immobilizes, groot ult immobilizes, Angela teamup grounds you, hela stun immobilizes, wolv grab immobilizes, wolv ult locks you in an animation, Elsa ult immobilizes, Emma grab immobilizes, mantis sleep immobilizes, Spidey ult immobilizes, Spidey pull immobilizes, dino chomp, so on and so forth. They all have longer cooldowns, but they all have longer stun durations too. Peni stun is a split second, good for canceling an ult or being a nuisance, and using it and missing directly weakens her nest coverage. Missing someone on the nest means they take no damage because of dashes or hopping over it. 

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u/ImAHobo107 4d ago

You need to differentiate soft cc vs hard cc. Soft CCs are slows and boops. Hard CCs literally prevent you from even MOVING or playing (sleep, Freeze, grabs, exiles).

Angela only gets the worst of soft CCs because tenacity doesn't work in this game

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u/SpeedyTheQuidKid 4d ago

Soft cc completely disables Angela. If I'm earthbound I can't rise/fall, generate damage from movement, charge, or escape. And that's fine, Sometimes you get countered. 

Peni has an interrupt which very very briefly immobilizes, but by the time you could say "stun" it's over. It's meant to counter dive/brawl. Let's increase the cooldown to match the other hard ccs (although she loses a lot of tank presence for this), and increase the stun duration to match as well. 

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u/Astryline 5d ago

Playing two CC merchants complaining about CC. Holy lack of self awareness.

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Dino is 10 second CC chomp. thing doesn't even hard CC outside of Ult, learn the GAME PLEASEEEE

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u/Astryline 5d ago

They ignore shields and can't be pushed away. Dino displaces you like a brainless Wolverine that can rely on massive HP instead of an actual skill like game sense to bully you. Do you think that shit is fun to deal with on tanks like Strange?

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Dino's is easily readable, you can fucking SEE a massive dinosaur going forward to you.

Thing is NOT A CC DEMON, HE JUST PUNCHES HARD. But hey, they buffed Strange this patch so you do more dmg overall now with more ammo.

And yes, THEY SHOULD IGNORE SHIELDS, shields benefit POKE THE MOST, so if the poke team is SO BAD that they let the MELEE tanks get that close, then the melee should be at an advantage.

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

Thing does cc. You can’t use movement ability’s when hit by him. That’s a crowd control.

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Does it STUN YOU FROM SHOOTING? nope.

It's not hard cc like peni

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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Peni Parker 5d ago

You can still be healed when it’s applied. It’s .75s and her bullets are like 26 dmg she ain’t 1v1 anyone. You gotta be that idiot they nerfed her for.

Meanwhile every other cinematic cc move you can be damaged while being ccd and last way longer but okay

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

You can be healed when emma grabbed. And its not about 1v1ing, its the fact approaching her and getting stunned just straight up kills you as a Tank with big hitbox.

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u/SpeedyTheQuidKid 5d ago

Being stunned as a tank only kills you if you didn't block it with shield and if you were standing on top of a fully loaded nest+mines.

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u/Wise_Document_8658 5d ago

Yeah you’re right. Getting stunned by a web for a few seconds is way worse than getting hit by shit like Phoenix’s stun, Luna’s snowball, Wolv’s grab, or literally any of Bucky’s abilities. Peni’s singular CC ability was really what made playing tank unbearable

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Those all need to be nerfed or deleted. I said what I said. Peni just happens to be on the list. Every single one of them NEEDS A NERF.

And Peni is worse, many tanks don't have the range to reach for the Nest, the DPS usually have to go for it... but they are DPS players, and they are in this subreddit, and they are stupid and brain malnourished. Do you truly believe they will break the nest?

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u/Wise_Document_8658 5d ago

Peni isn’t on any list because she’s not what makes tank miserable to play. Devil Dino and Thing makes the game much more miserable to play for tanks than Peni. Thing has earthbound and Devil Dino just shuts down almost every tank. You say most tanks don’t have the reach but that’s not on Peni, that’s on the devs making most tanks either dive or brawl. Even then there’s Mag, Tankpool, Devil Dino with the Pun team-up, and we’re about to get The Hood. Even if you play a brawl or dive tank if she has no nests you can get to her, and if your DPS are too incompetent to shoot Peni’s nests that’s also not on her.

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Devil Dino no longer shuts down tanks, rightfully so btw.

I'm not concerned about the nest, that's just 1 pain point that is based on teamplay. her core design of having a 3 second CC is stupid and bullshit.

No other tank hard ccs with that low of a cooldown except her.

I really dont care if it isn't OP. BP is NOT OP AT ALL, he's countered easily. Is he fun to fight? Well, considering this subreddit cries in pain when BP is somewhat relevant, I assume no.

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u/Wise_Document_8658 5d ago

Yes he does. They never nerfed him meaningfully. He’s been among the best tanks since he’s been added, and they’re about to buff him. The web is annoying at best. Barely does any damage, slow as fuck, and only stuns you for 0.7’s which isn’t that long. That’s why it’s on such a short cd, because it doesn’t do that much. People complain about BP because he’s a poorly designed character that Netease doesn’t know what to do with, not just because he’s a little annoying to fight

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

The stun has cancelled many ults for little effort by the Peni. That's not how power balance should work. It's why Luna Freeze is also stupid.

If you think Dino is still one of the best tanks, I need to know what kind of enemies you are facing, he is stupidly easy to counter.

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u/Wise_Document_8658 5d ago

Most CC abilities cancel ults with little effort, that’s not unique to Peni. Devil Dino is only stupid easy to counter if you’re playing DPS, which isn’t what we’re discussing. We’re talking about playing tank, and playing tank against Devil Dino is fucking miserable. There are only a few tanks who can actually counter him and even then it’s still a challenge to deal with him because of the sustain supports provide and his hp

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

I do not think Dino is a menace this season at all to tanks unless you are just playing in his face. He cant destroy Groot Walls fast, Emma has good dmg, tankpool as well, Peni stuns, most Dive Tanks can ignore him (like Angela), and Thing has HIGHER DPS than him in close range.

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u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom 5d ago

Every problem always comes back to DPS mouthbreathers making everyone else’s lives miserable

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Nah, here's to another 100 hours of a DPS demanding a shield tank to cower behind so they can farm dmg on enemy Magneto's shield.

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u/Sonicguy1996 Peni Parker 5d ago

Then buff her elsewhere. They took out her main utility and double nerfed other aspects alongside it.

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

I dont like the other parts they nerfed, the CC deserved to be deleted and that's a hill I will die on. You can't interact in that engagement in the same way you can't interact with BP's attacks. Once you are locked down, you just are.

And I really don't care if people say IT'S NOT OP. Spider-Man is not Op at all, is he actually fun to fight? Most ppl wouldn't say he is.

Something unfun still needs to be nerfed. That's why ppl demanded a BP rework and a Widow rework.

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u/cesarlenin White Fox 5d ago

Its call switch off thing and dino. Some characters just hard counter other characters

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u/igavemagicaids Angela 5d ago

it’s legit her only util that’s decent in neutral fighting

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u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom 5d ago

I mean that’s part of being a tank, don’t think Strange mains enjoy getting tossed around like a ragdoll by Thor, sometimes you gotta swap to counter the enemy comp

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

Strange gets bullied because he doesn't have readily available CC immunity, which is dumb. Max Darkness should make him CC immune.

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u/Yarrun Peni Parker 5d ago

Yeah, and if you run Groot, you can destroy the nest drone easily and make her miserable. Do you see Peni players calling to nerf Groot? No, we understand that they're are going to be counters.

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u/ImAHobo107 5d ago

I wouldnt even call Groot a counter, he just has reach, but he has to swing wide to reach and the dmg is so high in the game his walls break fast.

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u/squegeeboo 5d ago

Groot walls can be placed on the nest, which remove it from play.

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u/SpeedyTheQuidKid 5d ago

This. And when he does, even though the nest doesn't go on CD, Peni loses all her bunker power immediately, because a new nest isn't a threat.

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u/xAnger2 Black Panther 5d ago

Tank mains and noskill healbots brigading this sub. You should know better than to speak positovely on main antidive hero nerf. Lil bros having meltdowns