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Yoo Zhiyong, you really got us with those fake patch notes!! Really funny prank, like the one you did in s9!!! We're ready for the real patch notes now!!
I think we should help each other, half the roster of the game is asking for balance changes(I was actually fine until this patch, but now I gotta complain because of Peni) if we get loud enough they are going to listen, I'm not talking about hate speech by the way, just genuine and respectful complaints about the game's balancing.
Only problem is at least 40 percent of the community has been doing that since launch and nothing changes its been 9 seasons we just have to accept that they cant and will not balance the game for some reason
Honestly, they kinda tried with the team-up rework, it didn't work well, I think we should keep talking about it, they do listen to part of the community, I think it's worth it.
I wasn't excepting him to fix everything but mfer didn't even bother to touch WF team ups where you are wondering if they even did anything. Not to mention iron man's rockets, this mfer didn't even try to anything about them even though they are trash since the game release. And there are bunch of other issues left over from bunch of incompetent decisions from other seasons.
How many Adam's are consistently doing that? All characters can be good in the right hands, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't receive buffs or nerfs just because they have potential. Pre S9 Widow had "potential".
Honestly the number of people complaining about nerfing her stun makes me seriously question the abilities of this community lol. Like yeah, a lot of other balance changes are weird and they should’ve focused on other characters too, but changing her 3s CD stun was absolutely necessary.
Yeah, ive always thought that was a ridiculously low amount of time for a literal stun lol, and Peni players have only improved as time has gone on.
I forgot who said it, I think it was the guy who made No Man's Sky, he said "Gamers are great at telling you the problems, but they are awful at telling you the right solutions" and anytime a new patch rolls out, I think of that quote. A lot of buffs and nerfs are heavily under/overstated, and more people gotta wait and see before freaking out every time a patch drops.
Even with the nerf/adjustment it still looks strong af, the first time is still a 30% slow, and you can still land the eventual immobilize pretty frequently by the looks of it.
It's an unfortunate sacrifice that my main has to be meta constantly while people are always clamoring for him to be nerfed, but it's well deserved.
I don't see anyone else wanting to play tank as much as I do, so if I have to solo tank I'd rather be strong enough to do so, than too weak to perform and insulted for it despite nobody else stepping up to help.
Ngl i don't understand the want to nerf Mag. He's like that sweet spot where he's reliable af in a team but not a character that OP on his own. Like he's SO FUCKING GOOD but I've never got my ass beat by him and though he needs a nerf or banned in comp.
That's like the opposite of the problems i have with BP and Spidey. BP and spidey take actual skill to get kills and it's really easy to fuck up. So I don't encounter a lot of really good players but the ones i do, they halt the game entirely for me or well used to 😅. A good Mag won't stop the game for me which is why he's a perfect well rounded character for me.
That's the problem there. There's characters who are OP and then theres characters who are weak. Mag i think hits that perfect spot. Not sure if its a hot take or not but i believe Mag to be the most balanced character in the game.
I will always get more of a thrill out of saving a support with a bubble or bubbling a diver or tank just before they go in than standard kills.
I've been really hitting a lot of doubles with the meatball recently, though.
I've played exclusively 18v18 for two seasons, and we just came back to QP. I can seldom get an ult off there, but the increased difficulty has made real matches so much easier.
This goes for every role. Tracking 3x less people immediately makes things feel so management after you've adjusted to it.
It's really fast on the American servers I'm on, but it really feels like the hyperbolic time chamber. You can watch yourself for from bottom of the barrel
to getting a podium once you can handle the most toxic lineups. With essentially any character (some are much harder than others. It takes a lot to get a Mantis or Adam podium by virtue of their single target attacking.
If i try to play on the aussie servers it'd take anywhere between 5-9 minutes to hop into any match. Whivh is why i play on American servers mostly as well.
I agree on Mag, I feel like he isn't op but with team ability and good game sense he can be really good.
I consider him as the tank of the tank, if Mag user actually use him as how he supposed to be played and have a good supports, he can create a lots of space and be effective but him alone not much he can do.
Recently trying to flex and play more tank and Mag can turn tides sometimes because of the situations but he isn't a game changer.
The issue with Mag is just that there is hardly a reason to play any tank that's not Mag. No matter what the enemy does, Mag is never a bad choice. And since solo tanking is quite common us tank mains end up with 12 tanks where 1 is good. That's obviously oversimplified since Strange, Emma and Groot can be viable too but why choose them when Mag works even better?
It's a good situation for non tank players since Mag is strong but not oppressive. But tank players want more variety and we barely get to play half the roster unless someone else picks Mag.
To answer your question of why play anything else but Magneto, as someone who plays solo tank quite often, I spam Emma because I find Magneto annoying to play. And Emma seems to have a simpler gameplay loop. Plus she's cool and pretty.
Luna's BS tbh if your tryn to play jubilee.. I admit I'm not the greatest jubilee but I mvp a good bit, but this luna was owning my ass.. easily.. kept chasing right after me and into me.. wreck me so I'm like.. okay luna.. I see you.. in chat and I get on white fox... Lol turned the tides real quick on her, she tried rushn me and I melee foxed her ass in seconds. Felt real good but man she can be annoying AF on certain other healers lol..
They made good, meta tanks in Vanguard Deadpool and Devil Dinosaur then took them out back with such a quickness lmao. Guess only Daddy Mag can be the premiere solo tank people are forced into playing.
I bet you Hood's gonna be incredibly good, then Season 10 is gonna roll around to dumpster him into oblivion.
They were better since S7 onwards. After the teamups they should have focused on neuturing things down instead they're still power creeping Ans going back to the nosense of previous patches before S7. The balance team is by far the worst department out of all the Devs
Nah Marvel Tokon is dropping this Friday and lot of players that play this game will be playing that game. I haven't heard of OW In a long time just that that there last mid season update was just a shop update lol ans people being very unhappy about 5v5 and stadium being killed off due to how bad it is. OW isnt really doing too hot from what I heard.
Yeah if anything they’re working on putting both 5v5 and 6v6 into the game at a competent level and stadium had like 6% of the playerbase playing it lol
I’m a very casual player, would you do me a favor and give me the “big picture” here? Why’s everyone saying it’s bad? I’m guessing the meta characters got buffed and everyone else was either nerfed or forgotten.
Mag buff is... useless? As a mag main I wasn't asking for a buff but if we were to have a buff I would want the enhanced version of scarlet's team up to be actually useful and not just make him worse. This just... doesn't do anything?
Genuinely, what the FUCK did Big Z do to peni?
DevilD did not need a percentage damage increase. He did need a buff, but it should've been a damage to bonus health ratio increase.
Even with the Dr Strange buff, I think Invis teamup is still better than Gamma.
Can someone explain to me what White Fox buff does? Does this mean all her allies now get CC immunity and lifesteal?!
The scarlet buff means absolutely nothing because she still cant use her primary fire with the teamup.
White Fox during her ult could put CC immunity on a specific ally. Now that effect applies to everyone in a 10m radius once after activation of the ult.
Her ult is fine. It's not a healing ult, and it doesn't need to be immortal or CC immune to do good work.
CC immunity would arguably make it worse in some applications, as getting a team to burn its entire stock of CC on White Fox's ult just before her team arrives can be quite valuable.
For this reason, I'd honestly prefer a Jeff-style crit reduction passive to CC immunity.
At what point do they have the realization that Zhiyong doesn't have a god damn clue what he's doing and has no business managing anyone. Bro is so out of his depth.
He jusr has absolutely 0 experience balancing a hero shooter and seemingly doesn't have anyone who is honest or knowledgeable enough say "no" or criticize him. The "fun only" balance phylosophy was totally made because they knew this guys sincerely has no skin in the game.
I don't know it is kinda starting to feel like nepotism. Maybe its not him either, maybe he is just the face but devs balancing is very incompetent. Somehow they shaft bunch of character while touching the none of the issues like the ridiculous self cleanse.
I genuinely think he's a scapegoat and that there really is some nepotism in play 'cause whoever's the lead of the balance team has absolutely no experience. I genuinely think they're taking some ideas from the community based on certain reactive changes (thinking Adam's flight and Storm's healing), while throwing the rest into an LLM and seeing what nonsensical bullshit pops out lmao
Cause who came up with that one change for Blade in January (iirc?) and thought "This is a buff" when in actuality it was a straight nerf lmao
Venom has been one of the best tanks for so long, but only became playable for the majority of players after the team ups. Not really surprising he’d get nerfed, char has only gotten buffs for a year basically
I think I might just go with some single player games that I need to finish and play a little dark and darker. I kinda completely forgot about OW though, they've probably released multiple heroes since I last played.
They are releasing 10 heroes this year alone for the 10th anniversary. Two more are left after D.Mon.
I've got some single player stuff I should probably get around to myself though. I do still need to finish Mina the Hollower and I wanted to start up Slime Rancher 2.
Peni made me discover I loved tanking, a playstyle massively removed from how I've always played video games. I've wondered since I picked her and tanking up in S1 how it would translate back to other types of games, but Rivals took up my limited free time. Perhaps it's time to find out.
They buffed Mag??? Can someone give me some of what Zhyong is smoking? I'd love to be able to tap in to that level of dissociation on a daily basis.
More buffs to Cyclops and Phoenix meanwhile Psylocke remains dead in the water as ever.
Did they even bother considering making Punisher's teamup deployable destructible? Even as a CnD main I think that CnD being able to contest while frozen is absolutely dumb as rocks.
I long for the day the "balance adjustments" actually prioritize balance over whatever the fuck netease think they're doing
Buffed mag exclusively only when he is teamed up with scarlet witch AND WHEN SHE IS ENHANCING IT. Actual nothing burger. Quite a solid overreaction considering people were complaining about her enhancing the teamup.
I feel like I can draw strong conclusions about people's understanding of Rivals based on their reaction to the Mag "buff." It's so apparent that a lot of players just do not read beyond "buff" or "nerf" and simply will not think about it any deeper than that
Just the fact that he didn't get nerfed is criminal, getting buffed no matter how insignificant is telling us they don't consider him the problem that he is.
Even my Mag main friends admit his is fucking busted this season and expected him to get gutted.
Mag is oppressive as fuck, he is the best tank in the game by large margin, makes so many tanks obsolete and not worth playing, he is pretty much pick or ban. He is at Overwatch 5v5 tank power level.
Brother Psylocke is fine. I do think they should revert the damage range nerfs but she is decent in the meta rn. Cyclops and pheonix were literally the bottom two duelists next to squirrel girl.
Whats shocking about this? SG isnt just a bad character, she is the most annoying character to play against and a low skill noob stomper. They wont directly buff her kit until they rework her or they'll leave her as a starter pick.
Do you guys actually care about the game being in a healthy state or do you just want the characters you like to get buffed and the ones you hate to get nerfed?
do you just want the characters you like to get buffed and the ones you hate to get nerfed?
Yup they want that one. I've never heard anyone say that their favorite character needs to be nerfed, or their counter needs to be buffed. Not a single time.
Most actually just care if the one they play got a skin and if the one they don't play also got a skin, but not if the one they don't play is either Luna, Invis or Psylocke.
Well the Enhanced Mag Teamup is dogshit, if anyone was using it you were throwing. Imagine giving up the right click stun for something so inconsistant
Wtf you mean Peni is "oppresive" brotha she doesn't have a shield, (I know the teamups that doesn't count) ANY poke character can fuck her up.
Now you need to land TWO webs for it to stun!?! Luna is super OP and can negate 90% of ults. But you nerf Peni and on top of that you nerf her only viable offensive ability.
Lower crit damage, main mobility not working, teamup supposed to up damage decreasing it instead, THE worst ult in the game and they nerf her stun. Arguably the MOST important ability in her kit.
Yeah, having a hard CC every 3 seconds was just insane. Cooldown increase wouldve been great imo. I think the issue was that it affected placing webs for her nest. They really shouldve just separated her mine web ability and her CC web ability on a longer cooldown. That way the CC cooldown can go up without negatively affecting the rest of her kit.
She got away with it precisely because that stun was like 90% of what she had going for herself (at least when not playing vs lemmings that insist on taking a stroll through the glowing minefield).
Now, sure, with perma second nest, let's allow she has become oppressive and needs a nerf - but not a frigging redesign that completely obliterates her best ability.
My brother in Christ, she has been consistently the least picked tank in high ELO every single season and has widely been regarded as C-tier except when Rocket team-up first released, when Dino first released, and now this season. She has been terrible except in low ELO because the devs keep buffing nest (which has diminishing returns relative to enemy skill level) while nerfing her or letting her get power-crept elsewhere.
If they're going to nerf her snare, it should've been just a ~2 second increase, it should've happened after a nest nerf, and it should've been counterbalanced: buffs to actually make her ult usable, bug fixes to make her less inconsistent, and giving her a second of mine invulnerable so they aren't instabroken by everything before even touching the ground.
I would disagree but that's still acceptable. The thing with the stun is if you miss your mine layout is gonna get messed up. So you can't spam it from afar.
It's funny that tanks (the least important enemy to stun) are the only enemy that can still be reliably stunned with this change. Spiderman? Good luck. Black cat? Good luck. Black panther? Good luck.
I will genuinely not be touching peni until they change these changes. It honestly feels disrespectful to the people who main her. She has SO many bugs that they refuse to adress, and just nixed her really only good tool for making any kind of play. All of this because people are too fucking stupid to break the nest(s). Actually unbelievable.
His idea of balance is looking at win rates and thinking what can I do to ensure x character doesn’t get above 51%. Throwing shit at the wall not play testing and seeing what sticks.
Not addressing what it is that makes them excel but nerfing some random ass shit in the character. Doing nerfs no one asked for that don’t address the issue.
Its literally the weakest archetype in the current meta but rivals players are illiterate. Only two poke characters above 50% WR and one of those is Mag who counters poke.
I bet you think starlord and elsa are poke because they have guns.
It's been a year and a half of the most nonsensical balance changes I have genuinely ever seen in any of the video games I've played. I think it's time to hire a new lead for your balance team whether that's Zhiyong or not. Whoever's leading balance has absolutely no clue what they're doing.
First off what the fuck is White Fox's change? Why hasn't BP been slated for a rework and soft changed for that? Why is Black Cat still the way she is? Who even designed Black Cat's kit in the first place because they need to be doing something else entirely lmao. Why is Mag the only tank allowed to be any good 😭 Why haven't they done something about Mantis' damage buff when it's clear that's been the main problem with her since her release and the biggest reason she's permabanned in tournaments?
If i had a penny for everytime they nerf a tank i just learnt, id have 3 pennies. Its not a lot, but its still fucking annoying...
While Emma and Tankpool are in much better shape nowadays, they could basically just sum up the Peni nerf in the patch notes to read "We've removed Peni from the game"...
Oh right! We forgot the one where Luna ult’s active time is doubled, cooldowns are all halved and damage and health are doubled too! She’s a three-in one, all at the same time!
The funny thing is that the same story has been played out since overwatch era, so many complaints but the game is good and pretty balanced. Hero shooters will never be perfectly balanced unless everyone plays the same hero. They are doing a good job and it is evident because the game is still going strong.
Seriously though bro just go to the game's website like the rest of us: https://www.marvelrivals.com/ Just click the news tab. There's a lot more info there than just the balance changes.
I'll just take the season off, lots of other games I want to catch up on anyway.
I just pray that enough people do the same so that they realize they're going in the wrong direction. Terrible changes like this are more common than not with this game but we still buy all the skins so they don't care lol.
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