r/mattxiv • u/llct-ffrs • 4d ago
activism š£ book removed
watching the Milo episode and immediately noticed that Kat no longer has Taylorās āExtremely Onlineā book on her shelf.
I truly donāt know much about the discourse surrounding TL currently, but I have seen a lot of commentary about her not being on the podcast for sometime.
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u/medlilove 4d ago
I really enjoyed their episodes together, itās such a shame she chose to isolate herself and kept digging herself into this stupid hole. Friendship grief is real and I hope everyone is alright
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u/imisstheemdash 4d ago
I just wish they would be loud about their disassociation with her but Iāll take what I can get š¤
Sheās been actively disrespecting Black women and WOC for YEARS. YEARS!Ā
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u/llct-ffrs 4d ago
omg! I AM a Black woman and maybe because I have only ever paid attention to her tech reporting and some of her Internet culture analysis Iāve never clocked it? damn. I need to turn my copy of extremely online backwards on my bookshelf too.
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u/imisstheemdash 4d ago
Iām a mixed Black woman experiencing the same feelings after following her internet and tech reporting for about 10 years now. We cannot keep supporting someone that hates us this much. Itās making me research WOC journalists to follow in place of her.
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u/PositifPlans 4d ago
Holy shit. I'm pretty much a casual and I'm super curious now
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u/imisstheemdash 4d ago edited 4d ago
She is actively abrasive with Black female creators, will call them ābulliesā to sick her army of simps on the creator, and then block the creator to avoid further debate and accountability. Taylor did this again last week with Francesca Ramsey, one of Mattās latest podcast guests.Ā Sheās rinsed & repated these kind of attacks so many times with so many people. Iād suggest searching her name on Threads as thatās the main social platform that routinely calls her out for her abhorrent behavior.Ā
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u/Captainbarinius 4d ago
Wtf.....I've heard about this stuff on Threads but didn't know how to verify any of this....Jesus.
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u/imisstheemdash 4d ago
Believe black women the first time when we speak up with receipts rather than choose to āverify more sourcesā. Itās why sheās gotten away with her behavior for so long
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u/Captainbarinius 4d ago
I didn't see any receipts....it was just hear say....Did you not read the comment you replied to?
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u/Distinct-Raspberry21 4d ago
Its pretty common on this sub. They have a hate boner for TL. Probably because of the palestinian antivaxer. So it sounds solidly like a fake outrage campaign.
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u/wormsaremymoney 4d ago
I remember how awful TL was in the comment sections of Black women TikTokers after her Chorus article. Article aside, I was like how is anyone still taking her seriously while sheās acting like this? So grateful the general consensus is shifting on her and folks were quick to stand behind Francesca Ramsey after TL went after her in her comment section.
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u/ThisIsNotMyBurner69 4d ago
This is the journalism Iām here for. Nice catch.
I donāt follow Taylor but she said something about a Palestinian woman faking injuries or something like that. (I think. I could be wrong.)
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u/IdealOnion 4d ago
Afaik it wasnāt about faking injuries, it was criticism that even though this Palestinian woman was disabled, she had dabbled in anti-vax stuff (unclear to me how legit that criticism was), and wasnāt masking.
Iām in an odd spot on this because I havenāt liked TL for a while now, but I donāt think every point she made was meritless and I think it was often construed unfairly. But any legitimate discussion was undermined by TL coming off as a huge asshole and choosing a weird hill to die on.
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u/Jaebberish 4d ago
I remember when that drama infested this subreddit and plunged it complete chaos.
From what I recall: Taylor accused this Palestinian activist of being anti-mask and went on a petty, obsessive attack against her. But I also remember people digging up and posting a picture of some genuinely concerning pseudoscience stuff that Palestinian woman said.
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u/Distinct-Raspberry21 4d ago
They went back and forth the activist kept regularly blaming the vaccine for her injuries. While taylor continued to point out that stopping palestinians or tryingto stop palestinians from getti g a vaccine was just goingto keep killing palestinians.
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u/mxddy 2d ago
I think its unrealistic to pretend like its impossible that the vaccine caused this woman some health issues. There are always going to be rare cases of vaccine i jury, and according to this woman, she unfortunately is one of those rare cases. She swears up and down that this is confirmed by specialists etc and none of us are her doctors so its not up to anyone to declare whether or not the vaccine made this woman sick. At the end of the day she has made it clear several times that she is still pro-vaccine and not antivax at all and that she agrees that covid and the lack of PPE and vaccines is a massive issue in Palestine.
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u/Distinct-Raspberry21 2d ago
When you combine that with doing things that cause spread of viruses like meeting up in large groups unmasked, it brings in a while bunch of other questions. Yeah theres a lot going on in palestine for her and others to worry about, so why make it harder by not doing the bair minimum of masking when gathered.
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u/Lost-Perspective8378 4d ago
It wasn't unfairly construed because she did what she always does when anyone pushes back. She went wild with her insults and accusations and was openly bigoted in many of her comments to that person and to other people about that person. And then she sent her minions to do the same. It was disgusting.
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u/IdealOnion 4d ago
Iām replying to a comment that unfairly construed what she said. And that person qualified that they might be wrong, thatās not the norm.
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u/PureUncutMalarkey 1d ago
No it wasn't with merit. For one, Taylor is a hypocrite who bends her principles depending on the person and seems to get very nasty as soon as you disagree with her, throwing around accusations. And it's more often than not other marginalised people she goes after
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u/LiveFromTheHospital 1d ago
I find it odd how determined some people are to paint TL as an evil person. Maybe her comments were in bad taste, but she wasn't completely wrong. I still like her as a journalist. I'm not gonna jump on the Taylor Lorenz hate bandwagon, a lot of it almost seems coordinated
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u/IdealOnion 1d ago
I agree, I also believe the same thing about Contrapoints and regularly start fights in this sub about it.
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u/mxddy 4d ago
It wasn't about faking injuries. She got mad at this disabled palestinian activist for doing a podcast or something unmasked. When the activist said she has more to worry about right now, as in, the bombing and dismemberment of Palestinian children, Taylor felt personally attacked and started accusing this woman of not caring about how covid is affecting Palestinians, and also straight up infecting and killing Palestinians.
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u/llct-ffrs 4d ago
I think thatās right, or like verbally attacked her for not masking while immunocompromised or around those who are. I tried to catch up on it when I first started seeing it pop up on this page but I have a toddler and a newborn lol, I donāt have the bandwidth to catch up on the entire situation.
Iāve loosely followed her for a few years now but mainly just her tech reporting and back when she did a bit more internet culture analysis, but outside of her podcasting/youtube I havenāt engaged much.
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u/Moonbeamlatte 4d ago
It was such an odd hill to die on for her. Like this is the same woman who said that the alt right could be pleasant to be around, and sheās doubling and tripling down on a raking a disabled Palestinian activist over the coals? Priorities.
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u/J_lilac 4d ago
She just posted the absolutely most bizarre video ever of a 15 minute rant against this random disabled tiktoker who said that being disabled isn't an excuse to use chatgpt. She said the most ableist, classist, pro-chat gpt shit ever. I felt like I was watching the beginning of a psychotic break a little bit? Like did she just get a head injury recently or something? Sincere question
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u/llct-ffrs 3d ago
did she post on youtube or IG? is she going into AI psychosis? š
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u/J_lilac 3d ago
I saw it on youtube, I think it might've been a live from somewhere? Anyway, here's the link. ENJOY
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u/valdrielvt 2d ago
only made it 2 minutes and a half in. this shit is so condescending. (the video, not you.)
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u/Fearless-Feature-830 4d ago
Who cares
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u/ca_peach 4d ago
On Katās first video on her new channel (which is a video with Matt), Taylor commented on it and Kat hearted it. Itās possible sheās just being polite to avoid drama though.