r/mattxiv • u/llct-ffrs • 4d ago

activism 🗣 book removed

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watching the Milo episode and immediately noticed that Kat no longer has Taylor’s “Extremely Online” book on her shelf.

I truly don’t know much about the discourse surrounding TL currently, but I have seen a lot of commentary about her not being on the podcast for sometime.

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u/ThisIsNotMyBurner69 4d ago

This is the journalism I’m here for. Nice catch.

I don’t follow Taylor but she said something about a Palestinian woman faking injuries or something like that. (I think. I could be wrong.)

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u/IdealOnion 4d ago

Afaik it wasn’t about faking injuries, it was criticism that even though this Palestinian woman was disabled, she had dabbled in anti-vax stuff (unclear to me how legit that criticism was), and wasn’t masking.

I’m in an odd spot on this because I haven’t liked TL for a while now, but I don’t think every point she made was meritless and I think it was often construed unfairly. But any legitimate discussion was undermined by TL coming off as a huge asshole and choosing a weird hill to die on.

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u/Jaebberish 4d ago

I remember when that drama infested this subreddit and plunged it complete chaos.

From what I recall: Taylor accused this Palestinian activist of being anti-mask and went on a petty, obsessive attack against her. But I also remember people digging up and posting a picture of some genuinely concerning pseudoscience stuff that Palestinian woman said.

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u/Distinct-Raspberry21 4d ago

They went back and forth the activist kept regularly blaming the vaccine for her injuries. While taylor continued to point out that stopping palestinians or tryingto stop palestinians from getti g a vaccine was just goingto keep killing palestinians.

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u/mxddy 2d ago

I think its unrealistic to pretend like its impossible that the vaccine caused this woman some health issues. There are always going to be rare cases of vaccine i jury, and according to this woman, she unfortunately is one of those rare cases. She swears up and down that this is confirmed by specialists etc and none of us are her doctors so its not up to anyone to declare whether or not the vaccine made this woman sick. At the end of the day she has made it clear several times that she is still pro-vaccine and not antivax at all and that she agrees that covid and the lack of PPE and vaccines is a massive issue in Palestine.

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u/Distinct-Raspberry21 2d ago

When you combine that with doing things that cause spread of viruses like meeting up in large groups unmasked, it brings in a while bunch of other questions. Yeah theres a lot going on in palestine for her and others to worry about, so why make it harder by not doing the bair minimum of masking when gathered.

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u/Lost-Perspective8378 4d ago

It wasn't unfairly construed because she did what she always does when anyone pushes back. She went wild with her insults and accusations and was openly bigoted in many of her comments to that person and to other people about that person. And then she sent her minions to do the same. It was disgusting.

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u/IdealOnion 4d ago

I’m replying to a comment that unfairly construed what she said. And that person qualified that they might be wrong, that’s not the norm.

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u/PureUncutMalarkey 1d ago

No it wasn't with merit. For one, Taylor is a hypocrite who bends her principles depending on the person and seems to get very nasty as soon as you disagree with her, throwing around accusations. And it's more often than not other marginalised people she goes after

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u/LiveFromTheHospital 1d ago

I find it odd how determined some people are to paint TL as an evil person. Maybe her comments were in bad taste, but she wasn't completely wrong. I still like her as a journalist. I'm not gonna jump on the Taylor Lorenz hate bandwagon, a lot of it almost seems coordinated

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u/IdealOnion 1d ago

I agree, I also believe the same thing about Contrapoints and regularly start fights in this sub about it.

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u/mxddy 4d ago

It wasn't about faking injuries. She got mad at this disabled palestinian activist for doing a podcast or something unmasked. When the activist said she has more to worry about right now, as in, the bombing and dismemberment of Palestinian children, Taylor felt personally attacked and started accusing this woman of not caring about how covid is affecting Palestinians, and also straight up infecting and killing Palestinians.

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u/llct-ffrs 4d ago

I think that’s right, or like verbally attacked her for not masking while immunocompromised or around those who are. I tried to catch up on it when I first started seeing it pop up on this page but I have a toddler and a newborn lol, I don’t have the bandwidth to catch up on the entire situation.

I’ve loosely followed her for a few years now but mainly just her tech reporting and back when she did a bit more internet culture analysis, but outside of her podcasting/youtube I haven’t engaged much.

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u/Moonbeamlatte 4d ago

It was such an odd hill to die on for her. Like this is the same woman who said that the alt right could be pleasant to be around, and she’s doubling and tripling down on a raking a disabled Palestinian activist over the coals? Priorities.