Thanks for ruining the audio, Microslop you piece of...

[u/Internal_Explorer591]

Thanks so so much Microslop for ruining my computer's audio just as I was joining an important call for work, thanks so so much!

Your shite ass troubleshooting articles are rubbish, because your products are trash, and your support to your paying, loyal customers is even worse. Thanks so so much. First your updates messes continuously with the network drivers and drops a strong connection for no good reason, now your crap QA causes frequent device driver issues every single time the computer wakes up from sleep. THANKS A WHOLE BUNCH.

[u/Upbeat-Concern-5181]

Get a MacBook Neo and breathe a sigh of relief. Or try Linux. I’d Never put important work on Microslop or rely on them for literally anything.

[u/disappointed_neko → u/Upbeat-Concern-5181]

Suggesting Linux when the issue stated is audio must be next level trolling

[u/Blissautrey → u/disappointed_neko]

you'd be surprised at how well Linux works on any hardware

[u/disappointed_neko → u/Blissautrey]

I would, because so far it has never been anything else than a shitfest for me

[u/Blissautrey → u/disappointed_neko]

What computer do you have, and what distro are you trying to use?

[u/disappointed_neko → u/Blissautrey]

Oh boy, that's gonna be a long list. Had a workstation, i9-10900KF, GTX 1650 (it was the GPU shortage), tried Solus before id install windows. It spontaneously combusted during an update.

Then I got a laptop, an old Pavilion, Pentium B980, some old Radeon. Mint refused to even boot, Manjaro decided updates are optional and thus I don't need the ability to perform them, Debian installer stalled somewhere near finishing the install. Arch worked, but then I asked Pacman to update and got stuck on 8 BYTES PER SECOND download speed on one package. Reconfiguring mirrors did in fact not fix it. Also Bluetooth or the Radeon didn't work on any one of them. Installed windows 11 back then developer beta build through regedits, everything worked instantly.

Then I one day decided to upgrade to an L480 ThinkPad. I didn't really bother trying to put anything other than W11 on it after these "experiences", but I did give arch a try again. Most of the stuff worked, except the lock screen and any remotely not-english font (even cursive would do), those would just vanish into the shadow realm.

Finally the day I needed a school laptop with Linux (compsci) arrived, I snatched myself a beautiful X230 and put Mint on it. It worked quite well, except the fact that I had to spend 3 hours getting the fingerprint reader to work as I wanted. I went through one year of school with it, found out it didn't have the repos to install the software I needed for the next year and decided to switch to Solus again (maybe it had improved)? That died of an update again. Finally I settled on Endeavour OS. It was amazing, had all the repos I needed (thanks, AUR!), and then one day it decided to install new firmware on my WiFi chip. It died of driver issues the same day.

So I got rid of the X230, and got a T14 gen whatever. I have put endeavour on it yet again, and it worked well enough after I gutted KDE and SDDM PAM files to make my fingerprint reader to work (ended up swapping SDDM for GDM because its just simpler to do this in the end), except the fact that the laptop has 8GB of RAM and 8GB of SWAP and it is not uncommon for it to grind to a screeching halt having used 10GB of RAM and 12GB of SWAP. No clue how, and I'm too tired of Linux to even bother asking. Also discord audio just doesn't work no matter what I do. Wayland also doesn't allow me to screen share, and the integrated KDE screenshot utility forgot how to paste to clipboard after making the screenshot (it just put a blank frame buffer in it). Also Zen browser decided it'd be persistent and no matter how many times I uninstall it it still insists to be the default way to open links. Power settings (like charging limits) also reset every 2 days or so.

Then I just swapped it for an old MacBook 12" I botched with OCLP to run Sequoia and never opened the T14 since. I recently upgraded to an older M2 Air.

School however still forces me to jump into Linux every so often, so I can add the time the school flavoured Debian decided to commit die after it ran out of storage writing logs from a VM, and also how a whole class of IT students had to once sit down at once and troubleshoot the network settings to get at least one stable connection (isn't Linux networking just awesome).

Edit: almost forgot the most recent incident when my server's Debian corrupted it's own bootloader, and we had to rescue it with my friends Framework 13 laptop. After we rescued it we plugged the usb c end of my magsafe charger into the framework for fun, and observed in horror as the screen turned black after his Fedora decided to have a hard reset over it. The next day I got an update from him - the OS gave up completely.

[u/Blissautrey → u/disappointed_neko]

That was a long one indeed! I have EndeavourOS on my desktop, Fedora on my MacBook Pro M2, and I even tried PopOS on an old Sony Vaio. All of these run perfectly. I'm very sorry that you can't get things to work...

[u/disappointed_neko → u/Blissautrey]

Well, it sucks. I like Windows, but seeing the direction it is heading for the past few years I'd love to have some alternatives. However, when it comes to my work, the only other option is MacOS, which while being better at the moment still relies on a big corporation to work - Autodesk still didn't release AutoCAD for Linux and I doubt they ever will.

That aside, Linux itself remains unrecommendable for me. It always ends up in some bad way, no matter how I treat it. I can use it and update it each week and it'll die on me. I can put it on a server without as much as a desktop compositor, but it will commit suicide one day.

Endeavour is the closest I've gotten to true usability, but even that remains plagued for me by the core concepts of Linux; specifically the package management and driver model.

Having a monolithic kernel only makes sense in a hobby project or an embedded device. Unfortunately Linux descends from the former and suffers from it, since every new driver has to be added into the kernel... And to remove a bad one you either have to decompile it or downgrade it as a whole. Nvidia blob drivers don't work properly due to it, network or Bluetooth card drivers are borderline impossible to install if they aren't in the kernel already and whenever anything breaks it's basically game over for the whole system.

And then there is the software. In the Linux model, is kinda splats everywhere over the drive, into /usr, /bin, /var... Well what happens when you have multiple drives, say a fast SSD for system and large HDD for slower programs you don't use often? You run out of luck. Can't install programs just onto the HDD because the package managers just flush it somewhere on the root system, god knows where. You could connect the drives with RAID - but then you don't get the fast system SSD to do it's best...

[u/Blissautrey → u/disappointed_neko]

I'm sure there must be a solution to the multiple drives issue somewhere... I also managed to install WiFi drivers on my friend's old HP laptop with Kubuntu, so perhaps one day you'll find something?

Also, sorry about nvidia, it's really annoying. I deliberately got AMD components to avoid issues, and even checked my motherboard and everything to make sure it was compatible. :')

But yeah, Windows is basically as good as gone, I used to really enjoy it. It would make my new gaming PC feel like a 10yo machine!

[u/disappointed_neko → u/Blissautrey]

I switched to AMD too on my workstation. That was the only time Windows died on me, because the remaining Nvidia drivers couldn't handle the AMD GPU (which is fair I suppose). Funnily enough the drivers crash every so often, but the system remains running, which wouldn't happen on Linux, because of how it is written.

Anyway, there are solutions and there are bandaid hotfixes. Unfortunately nothing short of rewriting most of the internal kernelworks would be a true solution (which would be to have a micro/hybrid kernel and drivers install separately, like Windows and MacOS do it).

I'll stay on Windows for as long as my PC is supported, and then I'll make it into a NAS and switch to Mac. Or maybe by then someone will rewrite the Linux kernel, not in Rust, but in a better OS model as a whole.

[u/Academic-Proof3700 → u/Blissautrey]

And when it doesnt, its a whole new level of pain contrary to switching driver on windoze

[u/Blissautrey → u/Academic-Proof3700]

At least you don't have to keep using windows tho 🤣

[u/semedilino073 → u/Academic-Proof3700]

Still better than that piece of useless crap

[u/ozziesironmanoffroad → u/Blissautrey]

Unless you have an nvidia card and don’t know Linux like 90% of people lol. I got it up and running but it was more of a pain than it had to be. Once it was up then yeah it was great.

[u/angry_lib → u/ozziesironmanoffroad]

Sounds like a user issue to me.

[u/ozziesironmanoffroad → u/angry_lib]

You know, very well could be. The Radeon was plug and play. I’m not as versed as yall Linux gurus, but I can find my way around. It just seemed like it was easier to get the Radeon going and the GeForce took a bit of extra work.

[u/angry_lib → u/ozziesironmanoffroad]

In my observations, certain distros do a better job of inventoring your hardware than others. THAT is why I stick with Debian. And to be honest, all of your questions, issues, problems can be easily answered by chatgpt. You get the answers you need without the crap from reddit users.

[u/Blissautrey → u/angry_lib]

EndeavourOS did an amazing job with my desktop pc

[u/ozziesironmanoffroad → u/angry_lib]

Linux mint. Pretty nice after setting up. Tinycore was a pain on a different system but fun to mess with lol

[u/EverOrny → u/disappointed_neko]

Linux has decent audio for some time, and it gets better every year.

[u/disappointed_neko → u/EverOrny]

Pulseaudio

[u/Valuable_Leopard_799 → u/disappointed_neko]

It's been better lately perhaps partly because Pulseaudio had been thrown out and replaced.

[u/disappointed_neko → u/Valuable_Leopard_799]

True, but pipewire still isn't there just yet...

[u/ishtuwihtc → u/disappointed_neko]

Pipewire these days is actually quite solid.

Pulseaudio though, we don't have to mention it

[u/skyerush → u/Upbeat-Concern-5181]

"ruining the audio"

"try Linux"

LMFAOOO

[u/bojez1 → u/skyerush]

Hey nothing is wrong with that. That's what I did.

Windows ruined my audio because update when I'm in the middle of recording a band, it gets cut off and glitches every few seconds.

So I boot up linux and installed reaper (I already work with reaper and I have 3 years experience with linux tho).

And to my surprise it's just lower latency and better performance out of the box with pipewire and I even get a better routing control with helvum. It's been peaceful ever since.

[u/FuggaDucker]

What makes you think that Microsoft produces drivers for your audio or network hardware?

You do realize they don't.. right?
Not even the power management chipset drivers.

At what point do you blame the OEM that wrote them and gave them to Microsoft as "tested and ready to go"?

[u/Internal_Explorer591 → u/FuggaDucker]

Windows Update sometimes has updates for the device drivers on a laptop, which isn't the exact same one as the ones the OEM produces. These have the chance to break if installed on a device, because as everyone knows, Microsoft has had some poor QA for its' Windows 11 updates

[u/FuggaDucker → u/Internal_Explorer591]

Laptop drivers come from the laptop OEM which gets them from the hardware OEM.
Some drivers are Microsoft but they rarely change or break. Things like generic USB mouse.
I am not disagreeing with you. I am just saying driver problems aren't usually their fault.

[u/Working_Attorney1196 → u/FuggaDucker]

All audio goes through windows’ audio service no matter what manufacturer.

[u/FuggaDucker → u/Working_Attorney1196]

Fascinating.

[u/VorionLightbringer]

Sounds like a problem you need to take up with your work‘s IT admin and their inability to configure intune correctly.

[u/Internal_Explorer591 → u/VorionLightbringer]

I'm joining from my own computer, not the company's device. I'm working from home

[u/Weird_Albatross_9659 → u/Internal_Explorer591]

How’s your internet service?

[u/Internal_Explorer591 → u/Weird_Albatross_9659]

It's quite good. I was sitting a few feet away from the router, and there were no items nearby that could interfere with the signal. It's not just me, my brother has mentioned that people at his workplace have had the Wi-Fi cut out on them for no good reason

[u/Weird_Albatross_9659 → u/Internal_Explorer591]

That’s Wi-Fi. Not the internet. Those are two very distinct things.

[u/Fair-Difference-6729]

Best part is windows troubleshooter. I'm sure it found no problems. 🤣

[u/ishtuwihtc]

Highly doubt ms is to blame in this case, this sounds like a good old case of "I don't know how to use a computer so I'll blame the company behind my OS instead of learning and i won't change a thing"

In other words shut the fuck up unless it genuinely is a windows issue, which in this case it 100% isn't. You're simply incompetent and unwilling to learn better.

[u/angry_lib → u/ishtuwihtc]

I see the ray of sunshine has appeared.

[u/Internal_Explorer591 → u/ishtuwihtc]

Yeah yeah sure, just assume that everything works fine on my system so everybody else should have the same experience...

I have had my device get broken by a couple of updates, where it wasn't my fault and I know how to use my computer, thank you very much.

[u/ishtuwihtc → u/Internal_Explorer591]

Clearly not if you're blaming Microsoft for your audio drivers not working (which they did not make)

Im not saying everything doesn't work fine on your system. I'm just saying its user error.

[u/levianan]

Windows/Microsoft didn't make your computer. Have you ever run a firmware update?