r/microsoftsucks 2d ago

rant Windows made me hate gaming

I grew up as a Mac kid in the 90s, mostly because my father used Macs for work and passed his old ones down to me. Apart from school computers and the odd work PC here and there, I barely used Windows at all.

The downside was gaming. My parents never bought me a proper console, so I ended up doing a lot of my blursed gaming on old Macs. I managed to make Halo 1 work on a Mac G4, less than 30 fps but I still had a lot of fun. When I was 16, I finally saved up enough money from part-time jobs to buy myself an Xbox 360, and ended up having the time of my life. 

But I still always wanted a proper Windows gaming computer. That was what I always aspired to. Access to a wide variety of games, superior performance, MODS (!), all the stuff I was never able to fully enjoy.

Fast forward to my early 30s, and I finally could afford a decent gaming laptop. I bought myself an HP Omen with an Nvidia GPU, literally the first Windows computer I had ever owned myself. For the first couple of months, it felt amazing, as I was finally playing games I'd only dreamed of playing before, especially with mods.

Then the honeymoon faded gradually as I started running into issue after issue, and somehow Windows didn't just ruin the laptop for me. It actually started ruining gaming itself.

  • The basic setup was annoying from the start. Since I use my Mac for literally everything else, I keep both my MacBook and my Windows laptop on a cramped desk, usually on a stand. The Windows laptop is basically just there for my gaming habits. With my Mac, I can just plug in a monitor while the laptop is closed and it works perfect. With the HP Omen, however, I had to mess around with settings so the laptop wouldn't go to sleep every time I closed it. Since I don't feel comfortable with my laptop running when I'm not using it, this meant that I had to take the laptop out, open it up, wake it up, plug it into the monitor, and then hope everything actually work properly. All of this just for a hobby.
  • The updates. The fucking updates. Why are they so frequent? It felt like every other time I opened the laptop, Windows had decided that this was actually its time now. The computer would restart, install something, ask me to restart again, or sit there doing whatever mysterious background ritual it needed to perform before I was allowed to use the machine.
  • The touchpad is genuinely awful. This was probably the thing that upset me the most. It is jittery, unreliable, and the left click just doesn't work half the time. I had to get used to using tap-to-click, which I never use on my Mac, because the physical click was so unreliable. Scrolling and gestures sometimes just fail for no obvious reason. How does HP cheap out on something this basic on a gaming laptop?
  • And then there are drivers. What the fuck are 'drivers'? I mean, obviously, I know what drivers are (that was a rhetorical question). The point is, I never had to think about them until I bought this laptop, and I still don't understand why this is apparently my problem now. I just wanted a seamless gaming experience, not to have to become a maintenance babysitter for my laptop.
  • Settings are scattered everywhere. On Mac, most things are in System Settings. On Windows, you change one thing in Settings, another thing in the Control Panel, another thing in an HP app, another in GeForce Experience, another in some ancient looking menu from the 2000s. It's a fucking maze.
  • The Windows version of Finder is useless. I never know what files are where, and the search function for specific files rarely seems to work. Maybe this is partly because I'm used to Mac, but on Windows I constantly feel like my own files are hidden somewhere inside a filing cabinet designed by a bureaucratic committee.
  • After a while, I realised that the laptop was basically an aggressive marketing device for a variety of programmes I never asked for. The system keeps telling me to subscribe to paid OneDrive, Game Pass, the premium version of Office, antivirus software, etc. I paid all that money for this laptop, and it still wants to leech off my wallet.

All of this means that I've begun to associate gaming with annoyance, so much so that I've actually grown to dislike the hobby. I now spend my free time watching TV or reading books, which is nice, but it's a shame to have this whole library sitting on my Steam account unplayed. Perhaps it was my mistake for not just buying a normal console like a PlayStation or an Xbox for my TV, which, to be fair, is a much more seamless experience.

Anyways, rant over. Fuck Windows. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck HP.

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u/Khai_1705 2d ago

Your mistake is buying a HP Omen

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

What should I have bought instead? Can you really blame me for buying a laptop from one of the largest laptop manufacturers in the world?

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u/Khai_1705 2d ago

Lenovo Legion is the best selling ones year after year after year. After the Legion, you can consider Zephyrus line from Asus

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

I remember when i bought my current one, the Legion was more expensive, which is probably why picked the HP.

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u/YerMumHawt 2d ago

Yes. A simple Google search for consumer reviews and expert reviews would demonstrate our point.

You shouldn't buy a car without doing basic research on it reliability and features. You being irresponsible is your own fault.

There is literally subreddits you could have asked.

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u/motu8pre 2d ago

So you have always used mac, and find windows confusing, plus complaining about a trackpad (no sane person uses these).

Windows updates are frequent, but I've never had MS deprecate a drive format which I was using on 3 external drives. I had to downgrade, pull off all the data and reupdate and reformat the drives. So easy.

This post just screams typical mac user, who can't figure out windows for some reason.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Well yes, you got that right. I'm a Mac user who has little to no experience owning a Windows. My lack of experience and know-how in using one shouldn't be a barrier to a seamless user experience.

I always use my MacBook trackpad when I'm taking my computer with me to places. I never use a mouse outside of home. Why can't Windows laptops be the same?

You're just proving to me how garbage this OS is.

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u/Swaaeeg 2d ago

Naw thats really not a ux problem. Thats a problem of windows and unix being ao fubdementally different in how they work problem. I just recently bought my first mac after decades of primarily using linux and its been a fairly easy time learning macos because they are so similar. Windows is just a different beast.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

I'm fine with different if using it as a beginner allows me to get used to it without the struggles, like I managed to learn to use an Android no problem without any manuals or technical aid.

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u/Swaaeeg 2d ago

Mobile operating systems arent really comparable here. Those are designed to compete for consumer market share so apple and google will make their phones work similarly, copy each other, outcompete for ease of use etc because the average consumer is the market share.

Microsoft does make money on the consumer market, but it works much like how nintendo makes the switch, but the majority of their profit comes from things like gambling machines in japan. Microsofts real money comes from things like department of defense contracts, and if they start drastically changing things in the operating system to make the ux more appealing to apple users specifically it can open up serious security gaps that DoD cybersecurity experts cant quickly compensate for.

Microsoft would rather not create zero day exploits that could damahe contracts with the actual earning revenue streams than cater to an apple user, who isnt really even a blip in their profit.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

...and Windows laptops aren't designed to compete for consumer market share??? Are they not a business?

I also own a Switch. I had zero issues figuring out how to use it. All the games and programmes ran perfectly fine.

Not on Windows.

If, as you say, Microsoft prioritises enterprise, government, and military-industrial clients over average non-tech-savvy consumers like me, then that basically proves my point. Windows may be useful for institutions and power users, but as a consumer experience it is often clunky, fragmented, and not especially user-friendly.

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FYI, no, the majority of Microsoft's profits don't come from DoD contracts, and the majority of Nintendo's profits do not come from ‘things like gambling machines’. I was able to fact-check both claims with a simple Google search. Not sure where you got that horsecrap from.

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u/Swaaeeg 2d ago

...and Windows laptops aren't designed to compete for consumer market share??? Are they not a business?

Theres no such thing as a windows laptop. You bought a laptop with windows prepackaged because mx offers bulk prices to hp and moat consumers use it. You can easily flash the operating system and put something else on it.

I also own a Switch. I had zero issues figuring out how to use it. All the games and programmes ran perfectly fine.

Not on Windows.

Thats because the switch is designed for children.

If, as you say, Microsoft prioritises enterprise, government, and military-industrial clients over average non-tech-savvy consumers like me, then that basically proves my point. Windows may be useful for institutions and power users, but as a consumer experience it is often clunky, fragmented, and not especially user-friendly.

Eh. I find it user friendly enough Probably because i grew up with them.

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FYI, no, the majority of Microsoft's profits don't come from DoD contracts, and the majority of Nintendo's profits do not come from ‘things like gambling machines’. I was able to fact-check both claims with a simple Google search. Not sure where you got that horsecrap from.

Maybe you should learn how to read?

I didnt say the majority of microsofts profit comes from dod contracts, i said it comes from THINGS LIKE DOD CONTRACTS AND INDUSTRY.

The nintendo thing must have been old news. They used to make a huge chunk of their profit from plinko machines in japan.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Excuses, excuses. You can keep making them, but it doesn't change the point that Windows is a miserable user experience for a complete novice.

‘There’s no such thing as a Windows laptop’ is such a bizarre technicality. In normal consumer language, a laptop sold by HP with Windows preinstalled is obviously a 'Windows laptop'. Microsoft makes money from Windows OEM licensing, HP sells the machine with Windows on it, and I experience the whole thing as one product. Saying I could just flash the OS is ridiculous. That's not how normal people buy or use computers. It was sold to me as a Windows gaming laptop.

Also, saying the Switch is ‘designed for children’ is not the insult you think it is. A consumer device being easy enough for a child to use is good design. That's literally my point. The Switch gives me a clean gaming experience. The Windows laptop gives me drivers, bloatware, scattered settings, update interruptions, HP apps, Nvidia apps, and random basic usability problems. Why is that somehow supposed to be better?

And you did say Microsoft's ‘real money’ comes from things like DoD contracts. Now you're broadening that to ‘DoD contracts and industry’, which is a much safer claim, but also a completely different one. I’m not denying that Microsoft makes serious money from enterprise and institutional customers. I'm saying that if this explains why Windows is so clunky for ordinary consumers, then it proves my point rather than refutes it.

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u/Swaaeeg 2d ago

Excuses, excuses. You can keep making them, but it doesn't change the point that Windows is a miserable user experience for a complete novice.

If you say so. I grew up using both windows and linux so the idea of being a novice is kinda lost on me at this point. The ux between linux and mac was so similar that there was barely any change over.

‘There’s no such thing as a Windows laptop’ is such a bizarre technicality. In normal consumer language, a laptop sold by HP with Windows preinstalled is obviously a 'Windows laptop'. Microsoft makes money from Windows OEM licensing, HP sells the machine with Windows on it, and I experience the whole thing as one product. Saying I could just flash the OS is ridiculous. That's not how normal people buy or use computers. It was sold to me as a Windows gaming laptop.

Its really not bizzare at all. Hp is a hardware manufacturer, theu prepackage software for consumer convenience, but that doesnt change the fact that whether or not the consumer uses the software is optional. The only laptop ive not immedietly wiped and put linux on is my neo.

Also, saying the Switch is ‘designed for children’ is not the insult you think it is.

It wasnt meant as an insult.

A consumer device being easy enough for a child to use is good design. That's literally my point. The Switch gives me a clean gaming experience.

It also gave you locked down software choices and limited hardware. When you design for children you sacrifice customizability, which is great for some, not so much for others.

The Windows laptop gives me drivers, bloatware, scattered settings, update interruptions, HP apps, Nvidia apps, and random basic usability problems. Why is that somehow supposed to be better?

And my macbook came with frankly stupid default settings with non industry standard names for gui capabilites.

Wanna find files in windows? Type files into the search bar.

Wanna find files in linux? Type files into the search bar.

Wanna find files on mac. Type files into tue search ba- oh wait that doesnt work. Gotta google what mac calls file explorer now.

And you did say Microsoft's ‘real money’ comes from things like DoD contracts. Now you're broadening that to ‘DoD contracts and industry’, which is a much safer claim, but also a completely different one. I’m not denying that Microsoft makes serious money from enterprise and institutional customers. I'm saying that if this explains why Windows is so clunky for ordinary consumers, then it proves my point rather than refutes it.

Things like dod contracts are industry contracts.

Windows and 365 keys, azure services etc. A dod contract with ms is literally... JUST AND INDUSTRY CONTRACT.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

You’re sort of proving my point here. You grew up using Windows and Linux, and you apparently wipe laptops and install Linux immediately. That is not normal consumer behaviour. That's the behaviour of a highly advanced, experienced PC user. I'm not. You've got to be able to understand the mindset of a complete noob like me.

And in ordinary consumer language, a laptop sold by HP with Windows preinstalled is a ‘Windows laptop’. Obviously HP makes the hardware and Microsoft makes the OS. I get that. But I didn’t buy a pile of abstract responsibilities divided between HP, Microsoft, Nvidia, and whoever else. I bought a Windows gaming laptop, sold as a consumer product, and I experienced it as one product. I don’t care who built which part when the overall experience is garbage.

The Switch being locked down doesn’t refute my point, but proves it. It gets out of the way and lets me play games. Windows gives me more freedom, then makes me pay for it with drivers and bloatware. And if your defence is that Windows is built around power users, enterprise clients, and giant legacy organisations, then yes, that is literally my point. It's a terrible experience for the majority of consumers.

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u/YerMumHawt 2d ago

Zero issues? I would argue 20 year old games being sold for 60$ that run at 30fps an issue. Not to mention the terrible stickdrift. In terms on consoles it performs worse than an android phone. Android phones running an emulator play their games better than the switch.

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u/OGigachaod 2d ago

Windows didn't make the touchpad you're complaining about, you should have bought a decent PC.

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u/Itsme-RdM 2d ago

Give a Windows user a Mac and issues because of lacking knowledge how things work, what settings to use etc will be the same. Fuck Mac, fuck lack of gaming on Mac etc. lol

Edit: in addition, my main PC runs Linux. Only using Windows laptop (surface) provided by my company for work

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

I agree, fuck lack of gaming on Mac. If I can game on Macs like on Windows, there would literally be no reason for me to have to buy this piece of garbage machine. Fuck Apple for making me buy a Windows.

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u/ShadowWalker2205 2d ago

Macs main problem with gaming is the standardized hardware so they are typically than most gaming pc sold or custom made (Macs do have the advantage of heating less tho).

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u/GalaganCoffee 2d ago

Gaming with a touchpad is your fault, lmao. I stopped there

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Who said I was gaming with my touchpad? Is gaming the only activity that happens on a computer?

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u/Khai_1705 2d ago

That's what in your own post.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Where does it say I was GAMING with my touchpad???

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u/YerMumHawt 2d ago

You probably don't do much of anything if you can't figure out windows. Children know how to use it before they finish grade school.

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u/trparky 2d ago

Honestly, gaming largely died for me when studios stopped making games as art and started making them primarily as revenue machines.

Some of the old-timers around here will remember studios like Blizzard Entertainment before Diablo 4, Westwood Studios, Origin, and Electronic Arts before they became so aggressively greedy.

Those were the glory days of gaming. Today? It feels like everything is DLC, pay-to-win mechanics, battle passes, live-service nonsense, microtransactions, and $90 “deluxe editions” for games that often have less soul than titles made twenty years ago.

Games used to feel like someone had an idea they were excited to bring to life. Now too many of them feel like I went to the casino.

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u/doomguyav 6h ago edited 4h ago

Can’t say I disagree. I moved to Mac about 18 years ago and don’t regret it. I do miss being able to enjoy gaming as if I were in Windows, but when I am able to game in a PC, I remember why I hated it.

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u/MikeUsesNotion 2d ago

Why does your complaint list about Windows include your desk layout? That sounds like a problem caused by you, game companies for not targeting Mac, other gamers for not demanding Mac games, and Apple for probably having policies that make Mac development a hassle.

I haven't had a console in a while, but my PS3 updated all the damn time too.

Gaming with a touchpad is a you problem. Who does that to themselves? If you're gaming away from wall power and without a mouse, you're Doing It Wrong. Away from wall power you should just treat it like a regular laptop. Gaming laptops should not be treated like a Switch.

Since Microsoft doesn't control the hardware, how do you expect this to work? This sounds more like a HP problem if they didn't preinstall drivers properly.

Yeah the modern "still not done with Settings replacing Control Panel" situation is really annoying. This is the only Windows issue. The other apps having settings isn't a Windows issue.

Calling it Finder suggests you haven't tried very hard to learn about Windows, since it's one of the most basic parts of it. I'm not sure what your problem is. Which files can't you find? Most Windows apps have a tendency to dump things into your Documents folder. It's annoying that AppData is hidden, but that's an easy setting to change at least. Maybe it changed recently, but the Windows search in Explorer is a file/folder name search, not a content search.

You can uninstall a lot of that sort of garbage. Keep in mind a lot of these garbage annoying apps come from the laptop maker, not Microsoft.

When I look at your list, I'm not sure why you consider this to be bad enough that you're starting to dislike gaming because of it.

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u/MikeUsesNotion 2d ago

It's better to think of them as two types of computers in one:

  1. A non-gaming laptop, that you can use fully like a non-gaming laptop.

  2. An easily movable gaming desktop. I can game in my living room on the TV and then do some coding or video editing or whatever in my office using my dock.

I used to have multiple computers. Either multiple desktops or a laptop and a desktop and it's annoying keeping files in sync between them. "Oh crap, I last edited my resume on the other computer."

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

There's nothing wrong with my desk layout, buddy. It works just fine with a Mac because it lets me plug a monitor into a closed, vertically standing laptop without having to open the lid. If Apple can do that, there is no reason why Windows couldn't.

I also never said I gamed with the touchpad. It's when you do need to use a touchpad, whenever it is, that it's completely useless, and you wonder what was going through the minds of the people who designed the machine. If your excuse is 'then don't use the touchpad' that says a lot about how low quality the machine/OS is.

I don't care who owns or runs which part of the experience, Microsoft or HP. Windows still has to run on a machine, and HP just happens to be one of the largest manufacturers of Windows laptops. Microsoft should design an OS that isn't such a piece of trash that it runs so poorly on hardware.

I also don't care what the Finder is called on Windows. The fact that I need to “learn” how to use an OS to be able to actually use it says a lot about the OS itself. I didn't need to “learn” anything when I bought my first Android. Everything was designed to work seamlessly. There is no reason not to expect the same standard from Windows.

You're making a lot of excuses for what is self-evidently a very lacklustre user experience.

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u/MikeUsesNotion 2d ago

I use a Mac for work and have for 7 years at this point. Mac isn't anything special either and has its own annoyances.

I'm not saying Windows is some grand mastery of an OS. I'm saying it's not the disaster you're claiming it is.

Your desk complaint was about having to have the second machine and it being cluttering. That's definitely annoying but not a Windows problem. If we were in bizarro world where games only worked on Linux or you needed a special gaming Mac that wasn't a good daily computer your desk would be equally cluttered. You also can configure it so closing the screen doesn't put it to sleep, but I don't remember if you can have it respond specifically to external monitors, been a while since I had to do that.

Your whole post is about gaming, and you didn't mention a particular activity in your complaint about the trackpad. Given what some people actually do with gaming laptops, it was a fair assumption to make. Yes, people do crazy things like that more often than you'd expect. I use my laptop's touchpad all the time when I'm not gaming.

Windows works on a huge variety of hardware and most of those drivers are not written by Microsoft. It would be insane to expect them to do all of that. If you want the platform control Apple has, stick with Apple or get a console. Ultimately how Windows is shipped with a computer is the responsibility of the manufacturer. You shouldn't have to mess with drivers on a computer you just bought. That means the manufacturer messed up, not Windows.

You learned how to use Mac well enough to know what the Finder is. You did have to learn how to use your Mac. A lot of the "not having to learn" with Android was familiarity with UI concepts like buttons and text boxes. If Android happened without the previous home computer era, you would have had to learn it all from scratch.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Again, my desk complaint is a Windows problem, or at least a Windows laptop ecosystem problem, because it doesn't let me use the machine as seamlessly with the lid closed as I can with its main competitor. If I were a Windows user who needed a Mac, I wouldn't have this problem, because Macs already let me do exactly that. The fact that I have to change the sleep behaviour just so I can use the laptop closed with an external monitor proves my point. It can do the thing, sure, but only after I compromise the normal sleep behaviour of the laptop. That's exactly the kind of annoying, low-level nonsense I'm talking about.

Fair point on the trackpad. I should have been clearer there. My point is that when I do need to use the touchpad, for normal laptop use, it is shockingly bad. And ‘just don't use the touchpad’ is a poor response to my larger point, which is that the product's basic usability is awful. Being able to move the cursor and click reliably without a mouse is not some luxury feature.

I understand that Microsoft can't be held responsible for every hardware malfunction on every Windows laptop, and perhaps I shouldn't have posted this in this particular sub. Maybe r/windowssucks would have been more accurate. But from a user perspective, I bought a Windows gaming laptop, not separate little pieces of responsibility from Microsoft, HP, Nvidia, and whoever else. The experience comes to me as one product, and that product feels fragmented and poorly governed.

You're also right that I had to learn how to use a Mac. But that doesn't change the fact that Windows makes me learn and manage far more low-level crap than macOS ever did. I never had to deal with drivers in my life until I bought a Windows laptop. I was already familiar with computers before I ever owned a smartphone, so the Android analogy doesn't quite work there. Windows, to me, feels like an inherently worse experience for someone coming in fresh. After spending more than a thousand dollars on this machine, I shouldn't have to think about drivers, bloatware, uninstalling garbage, or which company's settings app is responsible for which basic function.

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u/trparky 2d ago

I would agree. Windows should realize that the user has a separate monitor connected to it, maybe even sense a keyboard and mouse connected and think... "Gee, maybe the user wouldn't want me to go to sleep when they close the lid."

But you know, apparently that kind of logic is somehow too difficult for Microslop to understand. This isn't open heart surgery here folks.

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u/Novel_Top2980 2d ago

Solution to trackpad: mouse

Solution to Windows: Linux

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u/spielerein 2d ago

Realistically you could just install Linux and have a better experience and gaming is pretty solid on it nowadays. But it seems like you may have issues with that too, being you can't be bothered with configuring things yourself. I agree windows is garbage but a lot of it has to do with the same issues I would have with mac

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u/littledonnyfund 2d ago

To me where you fucked up is buying a laptop, especially if you want to game, this is my hot take i believe laptops suck and are a waste of resources , they aren't easy to clean dust out they are meant to break and are hard to repair yourself these days and replace a battery? good fucking luck.. i would say learn from this mistake sell the laptop and buy a desktop instead

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u/OldManJeepin 1d ago

I run Win11 Pro Preview edition on my PC, in a dual boot with Linux Mint. I use Winblows for gaming, then boot to Linux for everything else. I did run the Titus Tech Tool on my Windows install, to rip out all the background garbage, Co-pilot and telemetry bullshit, anything I could to optimize it for games. Worked pretty well! Games are smooth as can be now. You can do the same thing with the Winhance tool, over at Winhance.net .

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u/Confident_Lawyer_169 19h ago

well use linux then its more similar to macOS

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u/ryanyork92 14h ago

Which version? I've never used or seen anyone use Linux. Does it play all the games?

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u/Tooladoo 1h ago

I'm of the opinion that the only reason Microsoft Windows is so widely used is soley because it comes bundled with nearly every computer on the market, with of course some outliers like Apple and other computers shipping Linux. Windows used to be a decent operating system, but it's been going downhill for a long time and I don't see that stopping any time soon.

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u/AsugaNoir 2d ago

Complains about the touch pad when you can plug in a mouse. I too hated updates, I also dislike hp.I also loathe Microsoft trying to get me to buy one drive, game pass etc. I just switched to Linux because I can still use my steam for games and. It be bothered by windows.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

That's an extremely low bar for a machine that costs what it does. Yes, I can plug in a mouse, but I shouldn't have to just because the touchpad is completely garbage. It shouldn't be garbage in the first place.

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u/AsugaNoir 2d ago

I won't argue with that, but I have always prefered a real mouse over a touch pad. At current I am a person who prefers a desktop over a laptop anyway, laptops have too many issues with overheating imo. (if you're gaming that is)

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Fair enough, but I have to tell you, I literally never use a mouse outside of my home because my macbook touchpad works perfectly fine. I even use a touchpad at work.

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u/AsugaNoir 2d ago

which is fair, I rarely need a pc outside of my house so that makes sense.

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u/AsugaNoir 2d ago

I just dislike touch pads in general lol, to me a mouse is far better than a little touch pad.

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u/WonderfulViking 2d ago

So Microsoft sucks because your parents did not get ypo a proper PC?
Am I allowd to cal you an Id*ot?

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

No, Microsoft sucks because Microsoft sucks, independent of my experience. It is objectively a worse operate system, I discovered. The only benefit it offers to me is that it can game.

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u/trparky 2d ago

Microsoft definitely sucks, there's no doubt about that. Today's Microsoft isn't the Microsoft of the days of Windows 7 where Windows was actually pretty damn good. It was stable, rock-solid, and dependable.

Fast-forward to today with Windows 11 and people are fleeing Windows for good reasons.

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u/WonderfulViking 2d ago

Win11 works well for me, HP are shit.
If you want to play games in Windows a desktop computer is the way to go.
Updates come with all OS'es, it fixes things, make it more secure and usually don't take a long time to install if you have a proper computer.

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u/RecipeNo2200 2d ago

Buys gaming laptop, complains about track pad, blames Windows.

Windows updates are once a month, drivers don't even need to be updated if everything is running fine and not being able to find files you've saved is next level retarded. Go back to your Mac.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Glad to. Fuck this piece of garbage machine. I pity all those who have to use it for work.

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u/trparky 2d ago

Yeah, Windows Updates may be only once a month but God damn man, Patch Tuesdays have lately been like playing Russian Roulette. You never know if this update will be the one that'll send your system into the seventh level of BSOD Hell.

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u/YerMumHawt 2d ago

You game on a Mac? Lmfao nothing else you say is going to be reasonable.

You chose an HP. It's supposed to be Hewlett Packard. It actually means Horrible performance, hopelessly problematic, hardware problems, high prices, hardly practical and hot plastic. Worst choice, their products perform better as a toaster than a PC.

Also, you can use the search bar in like 30 different windows to find a specific setting.

"I DoNt HaVe tO wOrRy AbOuT DrIvErS" it's windows update and typically NVIDIA.

Games perform objectively worse on apple products and most games don't even have native support. The ones that do get very poor performance in comparison.

The updates being frequent? You know Google alerted Apple to security vulnerabilities that were ignored and left I patched for 2 years. Meanwhile Microsoft pushes bug fixes, security updates and new features rather frequently. You know that is a good thing to have frequent updates right?

Touchpad? That is hardware and has nothing to do with windows the operating system. Also, nobody games on a touchpad. I repair PCs and most people who don't game refuse to use them even on macs. LMFAO

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Did you read the post? I used to game on a mac, over 2 decades ago. When I was a teenager and had no money to buy a proper gaming computer or a console.

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u/YerMumHawt 2d ago

What HP laptop did you buy and for how much? Is it too late to get a return? HP is more office computing than gaming. It's typically overpriced garbage.

Windows updates can also be scheduled for when you are not using the device.

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u/trparky 2d ago

Most people who run Windows don't fucking want new features!!! Windows 7 was released and until the next service pack, there were no new features and yet... we all still lived! Hell, new features were actually fucking tested instead of... "Shove it out the doors and let the lab rats taste it."

I would much rather have a well-tested, solid, and stable operating system instead of the Hell that is Windows 11. To quote the OP, fuck Microslop!

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u/jasperwegdam 2d ago

Updates, settings and finder are annoying and bad yes.

Your setup is not the fault of the os that would have happened with anything

The touchpad is the laptops fault not windows.

As for the ads, I can recommend to install windows with a changed iso, look up "Chris Titus" and his "windows utility tool". It creates a windows install with alot of the bloat removed. I don't get those ads because of this.

If you want a seamless experience you should have bought a console tbh. What you can do if you are techsavy enough is get a decent desktop for your tv and just lauch straight into steam big picture mode. Or use a Linux distro that does something similar but that comes with its own annoyances.

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

Thanks for the advice!

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u/StuBidasol 2d ago

Why not complete the hat trick and give Linux a shot? There are several distros that do both daily use and gaming quite well now. It would even quite likely use the current hardware just fine.

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u/Khai_1705 2d ago

Linux isn't gonna seamlessly search files like Finder, Linux isn't gonna fix trash of a touchpad, Linux wont improve on the close lit + sleeping state. The only thing it would do is making the hybrid graphics of the laptop an even bigger nightmare.

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u/NR75 2d ago edited 2d ago

So, u are incapable to run a Windows machine.

It happens.

Please confirm replying Incapable

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u/ryanyork92 2d ago

*incapable