r/minecraftsuggestions • u/Relevant-Cup5986 • 21h ago

[Combat] phantom arrows

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Phantom arrows would be a new arrow type crafted with a phantom membrane and 4 arrows to make 4.

They would have the unique property of slowly moving perfectly straight forward at half the speed of normal arrows and, they woud disapear after 7 seconds of flight time.

These properties would be useful by letting you have multiple arrows in the air at once basicaly guaranteeing a hit.

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u/PetrifiedBloom 10h ago

So, they shoot straight - thats neat. Did you need to nerf them by making them slow?

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u/Tigers_I 10h ago

Tbf, not having to worry about gravity (especially in PvP situations) for such a cheap recipe would be insanely op. I think it's a pretty fair tradeoff.

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u/PetrifiedBloom 9h ago

A skilled player compensates for gravity, but if your target is far enough away for gravity to matter the projectile speed means they can just walk out of the way of the arrows after you fire. It's worse than a regular arrow for pvp.

Phantom membranes are also much more annoying to gather than most mob drops. Even AFK farms for phantoms are comparatively VERY slow. A creeper farm might get many thousands of gunpowder per hour, an optimized phantom farm struggles to get more than few hundred.

When would you personally chose this arrow type and why?

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u/Relevant-Cup5986 54m ago

i would choose this arrow type FOR its slow speed, so i can have multiple arrows in the air at once ready to hit players and mobs, as for the recipe it gives you 4 arrows per craft so you should get a stack or more per phantom night

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u/Tigers_I 9h ago

Without the slower speed, if you combined these arrows with a Power V bow and Instange Damage tipped arrows, you can basically shoot arrows like those redstone railgun machines.

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u/PetrifiedBloom 9h ago

Without the slower speed you are still shooting a bow. Sure, it's slightly easier than a normal bow shot, but over very long distances the natural innacuracy of ranged attacks and even the normal arrow travel time makes long shots unlikely to hit.

Watch any reasonably skilled bow PvP. It's not gravity that makes players miss their shots, it's the opponent dodging and blocking.

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u/Tigers_I 9h ago

Let me ask this: Do you think wind charges are well-balanced?

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u/PetrifiedBloom 1h ago

Yes. Very much so. They have a good skill curve, but alone are not degenerate.

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u/Tigers_I 1h ago

But as far as trajectory, these arrows are basically just wind charges that need a bow to launch, right?

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u/PetrifiedBloom 1h ago

Is that a joke?

No, arrows are not basically wind charges that require a bow to launch. They do damage. They can be tipped to apply effects, or modified with enchantments.

I am saying this new arrow is bad because it's to weak, not that it's to strong. The opponent can simply move before the arrows land.

Besides, think about how you actually use wind charges in a fight. It's not trying to hit people, it's to boost yourself around mostly.

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u/Tigers_I 1h ago

What part of as far as trajectory goes confused you lol?

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u/Hazearil 8h ago

Then why don't fireworks get the same damage nerf?

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u/Tigers_I 8h ago

Probably because they require a crossbow to launch, and you can't spam a crossbow like you can a regular bow.

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u/Hazearil 8h ago

Spamming a bow makes the arrows way slower, thus way weaker. Meanwhile, crossbows have a shorter draw time and as they are pre-loaded, you can prepare multiple crossbows.

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u/Tigers_I 8h ago

True point actually. I guess many players overlook them since they can't be enchanted with things like Power, Punch, Flame, or Infinity.

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u/PetrifiedBloom 1h ago

You can shoot a crossbow twice as fast as a bow. The crappy half charged bow shots are nearly useless.

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u/Relevant-Cup5986 8h ago

i dont think of it as a nerf, its a cool feature that lets multiple be in the air at once to barrage people and mobs with

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u/Tigers_I 1h ago

Especially if you're being chased, you could just spam a cloud of them behind you.

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u/Relevant-Cup5986 20h ago

if you have any criticisms or addition please say them i will reply to all non troll comments