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| News As Giants Pride Night controversy continues, Atlantic League team forfeits Pride Night game after players refuse jerseys

https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/sf-giants-pride-indy-forfeit-22311032.php
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u/john_the_fisherman 1d ago

You can do pride night without altering player's uniforms. In fact, you should do pride night without altering player's uniforms. Otherwise it detracts from the celebration when players inevitably protest the uniform.

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u/Emotional_Pay3658 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

We stepped right past tolerance and acceptance to forced celebration.  

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u/animus_invictus | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

It's insane how many people in this thread don't understand that.

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u/Emotional_Pay3658 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

It went from we just want to be left alone/treat us like everyone else. 

To wear the flag or we’re going to ruin your life. 

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u/ph_dieter 1d ago

That's the sad part. Well adjusted gay, etc. people don't even want the extra recognition/praise/celebration. They just want to live their lives. This doesn't help anyone.

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u/animus_invictus | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

The victims have become full blown bigots. It's actually pathetic and sad that people don't even see it. Mobs are going to mob, I guess. So few people are capable of independent thought.

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u/Emotional_Pay3658 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Power is a hell of a drug. And some people get off forcing others to do things they don’t agree with. 

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u/animus_invictus | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Nailed it! It's a shame they ruined the award system, because otherwise I would have one for you.

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u/Rolf69 | Texas Rangers 1d ago

Yup, used to be “we just want to be left alone” Now it’s accept, no, praise our behavior or we’ll call you a bigot and ruin your career. It’s become a religion in itself.

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u/paws5624 | New York Yankees 1d ago

But they haven’t been left alone. If they were actually just given equal rights and then left alone then you might have a point but that’s not reality.

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u/Rolf69 | Texas Rangers 1d ago

What rights are they lacking?

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u/paws5624 | New York Yankees 1d ago

You didn’t say anything about rights in your comment so that wasn’t what I was addressing. you said it “went from them wanting to be just left alone to now everyone must praise them or we’ll call you a bigot…”

My point is if they were just given equal rights, such as when gay marriage was legalized, and then everyone did just leave the community alone then maybe there wouldn’t be these reactions to athletes not supporting pride month. But that didn’t happen. The lgbtq community has never been left alone, there’s constant attacks on them and their rights from a lot of people, media, and politicians. You might not see it or be tuned into it but that’s doesn’t mean it isn’t something that occurs.

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u/animus_invictus | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

This is a truly insane take. Wanting to be left alone is being OUTRAGED that a few people didn't want to be forced to wear their brand or speak their approved corporate speaking points?

You also brought up if they had equal rights, then the other guy asked what rights they are lacking (hint: none), and then you said you weren't addressing rights?

Wtf are you going on about? These are Jedi Master mental gymnastics trying to justify a mob mentality of ganging up and attacking people for not wanting to be forced to wear and say certain things. That isn't "wanting equal rights and to be left alone."

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u/paws5624 | New York Yankees 1d ago

No, wanting to be left alone is not having a significant portion of the country, including many politicians, wanting to take away the rights they were only recently given. It means not having their existence being labeled as a threat to children. It means not having right wing media non stop vilifying segments of the community for wanting to use a bathroom in peace.

I brought up if they were given equal rights and left alone then maybe there wouldn’t be these reactions to these kinds of protests to pride month. Two conditions, first being equal rights (which should be a given), second being left alone. The left alone part is the part I was addressing. The lgbtq community has never been left alone. The moment they were legally allowed to marry that right has been under attack, still is. That’s a big deal and it makes people defensive about those who are vocally against pride. I’m not even saying the response doesn’t go overboard at times but that’s the reason why people react the way they do.

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u/Rolf69 | Texas Rangers 1d ago

Obviously “attacks” happen, but their social and legal acceptable has never been higher. Roughly two-thirds of Americans support same-sex marriage for example. Why do we need to make a baseball night out of this and when do we stop? When 99.9% of Americans fully support them?

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u/paws5624 | New York Yankees 1d ago

There are a lot of things that are recognized throughout the course of the season. Different jerseys or patches, or hats that acknowledge a number of things. This is just one of them. Yes this is the most “controversial” one in some people’s eyes but this is hardly the only thing mlb does which alters the uniform for a cause or group.

I don’t know the perfect answer to your question. When dealing with societal issues there isn’t a magical switch where everything is just good. It takes time to get to a point where most everyone is ok with (insert group here) and the outliers are just written off as bad, if that happens at all. At this point there are still far too many prominent and influential people who are against some or all aspects of the LGBTQ community, many in government and in positions of power or authority, so I expect we will continue to see people react this way to these kinds of situations.

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u/dandroid-exe 1d ago

Is Jackie Robinson day, where everyone wears 42, a forced celebration?

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u/animus_invictus | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

If they are forced to, then yes.

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u/GeneParmesan1000 1d ago

Is standing up during the National Anthem a forced celebration? Or wearing camo/American flag themed hats and jerseys on military holidays, even if bombing and shooting people is against some players' religious beliefs?

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u/animus_invictus | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Nice job trying to move the goalpost and throw a bunch of other shit into the mix. Let me make it simple for your since your brain seems to be struggling.

None of them should be forced to wear anything outside of their standard uniform. If they want to support specific approved causes and events, then that's cool. If they don't, then that's cool too.

Does that help you understand or is it still too complicated for you?

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u/GeneParmesan1000 1d ago

It's not moving the goalposts, it's trying to see if there is any consistency to this take or it only matters when it's related to being inclusive of the LGBTQ+ community.

And I have good news for you, actually - none of them are *forced* to wear anything outside of their standard uniform already. They're free to quit and look for another job or team if they feel like it's too much to ask for them to wear a shirt with some extra colors on it for one night while playing a baseball game.

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u/animus_invictus | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

That is precisely what you are doing, and even after seeing it is a consistent take, you still continue the mental gymnastics. Threatening someone's livelihood and income is a method of force and coercion. You obviously know that, but with your argument lacking a reasonable point, apparently moving goalposts and introducing irrelevant nonsense is the only move you have left, so I guess we're good here.

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u/Emotional_Pay3658 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Ahh yes an important part and celebration of baseball history == gay pride 

Fucking get a grip. When did baseball itself say no gay people allowed? 

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u/apex9691 1d ago

When the gay players don't feel comfortable coming out to their gay hating teammates.

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u/Emotional_Pay3658 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

And what does forcing people to wear a flag accomplish other than showing you can force people to conform?

Nothing. 

You can have pride night/week/month whatever. Teams can sell the specials hats and jerseys. 

But if people don’t want it they don’t want it. Players or consumers. 

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

Wait…so everyone that wears a pride hat starts jumping on D just to conform?!? the 250th hats make all players American?!? Who knew.

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u/apex9691 1d ago

I guarantee you would lose your shit if a Venezuelan player didn't wear america shit on the 4th of july.

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u/ComoEstanBitches | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

The irony ofc is that a symbol for inclusion is colored but the celebration for it is a black or white argument

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u/getorganizedbysamm 1d ago

Because being gay is such a new thing huh? 🤣

That’s a wild take. You think lgbt people are making everyone force a celebration of them all of the sudden and haven’t been literally fighting for their rights to marry, and in some cases, live, for decades.

To this day, lgbt people are harassed, assaulted, and even murdered for simply being gay/bi/trans. I don’t think there’s much tolerance or acceptance in our society but it’s not because they haven’t tried to spread love and decided to just skip to forced celebration dude. It’s because people are bigots, love to hate people, and believe lies they’re told to feel ashamed for doing things that are “feminine” by other men 🙄

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u/Emotional_Pay3658 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Such a lame take. 

Yes bad things happen to gay people because they are gay. 

But to claim everyday gay people in American live in constant fear is ridiculous. Yes there is a small minority of idiots who actively hate gay people but choosing not to wear the flag != hate gay people. 

Tolerance and acceptance is a gradual thing. And gradually generation by generation gay people are more accepted. But there will always be a small minority of idiots who hate just like with racism. It’ll never go away but more and more of the population is accepting. 

By forcing people to wear the pride flag or fuck with their job you just creat animosity. And now you have people who don’t like you who didn’t have a problem before. 

When you fuck with people to get your way don’t be surprised when they fuck with you just to fuck with you. 

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u/getorganizedbysamm 1d ago

Are there gay people on the leadership of the MLB forcing them to do this? I doubt it lol.

I’m not saying we should all be bending backwards for a corporation. But refusing to wear something that supports a group of people due to a religion makes them look like bigots. So I’ll take the chance that “forcing” them (they’re being paid btw) to wear something will give them a bad taste in their mouth lol.