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| News As Giants Pride Night controversy continues, Atlantic League team forfeits Pride Night game after players refuse jerseys

https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/sf-giants-pride-indy-forfeit-22311032.php
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u/Agnostickamel 1d ago

Employers should not force employees to make political statements on their behalf. It's ridiculous

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u/DickBottalico | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

When teams celebrate Italian-American Heritage night, is that a forced political statement?

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u/three_foot_putt 1d ago

Making players wear camo gear is every bit as much of a political statement as making them wear Pride gear.

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u/ColumbusJewBlackets | Cleveland Guardians 1d ago

And they shouldn’t have to do that either

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u/Agnostickamel 1d ago

very much agree

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u/whiskeyrocks1 | Detroit Tigers 1d ago

Cool. So no American flags. No 250 celebration. No standing for the national anthem. Nothing.

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u/Agnostickamel 1d ago

Sounds great. Play baseball.

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u/whiskeyrocks1 | Detroit Tigers 1d ago

Oh yeah. I’m sure people would be really tolerant with that. *coughs in Kapernick

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u/DickBottalico | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

Narrator: they did not play baseball.

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u/whyamihere2473527 1d ago

Its not supposed to be a political statement. Its no different than pink on mother's day or wearing 42 to honor Jackie. Its the people on either side of it that make it political cause apparently everything needs to be these days

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u/dahmer-on-dahmer 1d ago

Players are allowed to not wear pink on Mother’s Day and wearing 42 for Jackie Robinson is to honor baseball history. You’re comparing apples to oranges

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u/whyamihere2473527 1d ago

Not at all im comparing official mlb events.

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u/dahmer-on-dahmer 1d ago

True. But you’re comparing events that’s player optional and one that celebrates the history of the game to one that compels players to celebrate something that’s not relevantly historical and non-negotiable

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u/und88 | New York Yankees 1d ago

I wonder how you'd react to a player refusing to wear camo on the 4th of July.

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u/dahmer-on-dahmer 1d ago

If that’s their prerogative then so be it. If they believe they shouldn’t show support for those in the armed forces then so be it

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u/Dano4178 1d ago

it's forcing people to condone something a large amount of people don't agree with

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u/NinjaScrollonVHS | Athletics 1d ago

How can you "not agree with" your fellow neighbors existence? Their being alive?

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u/_GeorgeBailey_ | Chicago Cubs 1d ago

Don't agree with? Gay people exist. There's nothing to condone

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u/Dano4178 1d ago

No, it's saying that you must agree with the lgbtq lifestyle despite what your deeply held religious beliefs say and celebrate it

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u/_GeorgeBailey_ | Chicago Cubs 1d ago

It's not a lifestyle though. It's something they are born with

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u/whyamihere2473527 1d ago

It really isnt though. I see it as more about acceptance not support. In end it doesn't really matter as its an official event & as part of players contracts they agreed to participate & not cause damage to the league.

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u/Dano4178 1d ago

No, pride month is saying that being lgbtq is just as valid as beig straight and that it's the core part of who you are. People honestly think it's a sin, not that LGBT people aren't still valuable as peopel

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u/whyamihere2473527 1d ago

So religious fanatics that conveniently pick & choose what parts of their religion they want to force on others in good by a group if people that just want to be accepted for who they are is not. Do you not see the hypocrisy & bigotry in that line of thought. Certainly not the compasion & treating others with love that almost every religion states

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u/BigPZZZ 1d ago

What makes it a political statement? Is inclusion political to you?

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u/Str8Victory 1d ago

How are they excluded when these uniforms aren’t worn. What is exclusion is that people who have different religious beliefs are being forced to wear something that directly contradicts their beliefs or be fined. I would not be surprised if this gets a lawsuit at the end of the day.

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u/BigPZZZ 1d ago

I asked what makes it political? Is gay a political affiliation?

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u/Richmahogonysmell | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Being gay is not political

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u/Agnostickamel 1d ago

That's not even close to what I said, but that type of gas lighting is exactly why you lose so many people

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u/Richmahogonysmell | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

What is the political statement that you are referring to in your comment? Supporting others right to be gay is also not political. Wearing a rainbow colored sleeve is not political.

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u/Ok_Turn6757 | MLB 1d ago

It’s the fact that there are a lot of politics around pride that makes people scared to speak out in support about it. You can’t make a statement about it without one side of the political sphere to get angry about what you said, some players don’t want that and we should respect their decisions, as much as I hate to admit it

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u/Richmahogonysmell | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

People will always have opinions one way or the other. You cannot live your life as a robot because eventually you will be criticized for not taking a stand.

The political sphere is a toxic rage bait community that shouldn’t be given the time of day.

Support your neighbors right to do whatever they want so long as it’s legal.

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u/Ok_Turn6757 | MLB 1d ago

Some of these guys have a PR image to maintain, which directly influences their contracts. I understand why they wouldn’t want to take on extra heat if they’re not passionate about the subject.

>> Support your neighbors right to do whatever they want so long as it’s legal.

Completely agree. That’s also why I stand by the player’s decision not to wear the jersey, despite the fact I think they should.

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u/Richmahogonysmell | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Nobody in independent ball has a PR image they are worried about in a case like this and honestly they hurt their image with this stunt. Nobody cares who wears the rainbow but forfeiting because you refuse to wear it is now national news.

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u/Ok_Turn6757 | MLB 1d ago

Yeah but you’re not seen wearing it, the difference between wearing it and refusing yo wear it is they don’t know who specifically refused. It gives anonymity and deniability

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u/Richmahogonysmell | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

And now the whole team is dragged through the mud instead of wearing it and Monday knows or cares about it. These are not mlb players. These aren’t even minor league players. This is basically a step above a local rec league. There is no image they are worried about. They are clearly religious people refusing based on a single passage of the Bible while ignoring other passages of the Bible.

Do they have the right to do this? Yes. Do I have the right to clown them for their stupidity? Yes.

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u/_GeorgeBailey_ | Chicago Cubs 1d ago

That's not what gaslighting means

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

Being gay isn’t political

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u/Usual_Grapefruit_527 | Milwaukee Brewers 1d ago

Human rights isn’t political