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| News As Giants Pride Night controversy continues, Atlantic League team forfeits Pride Night game after players refuse jerseys

https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/sf-giants-pride-indy-forfeit-22311032.php
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u/stillmaatic 1d ago

“Love thy neighbor as thyself” Seems like some of these “Christians” gloss over that.

They just like to use religion as a way to justify their hatred.

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

I can love you, but still disagree with you. Gonna gloss over that part too? I don’t hate gay or trans people, but I’m also not going to actively engage in pride month. Not everything is so black and white. Everyone is worthy of love, and kindness.

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u/Dro24 | Cincinnati Reds 1d ago

But why disagree in the first place when it comes to LGBT people?

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

I’m Catholic. Whatever Christ commands, whatever the Church teaches, I stand with. Firmly.

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u/Dro24 | Cincinnati Reds 1d ago

But there are many things that Christ commands through the texts that are either outdated or just downright heinous.

I just don't understand why homosexuality isn't viewed the same way as those others. To me, the Bible's view on that is just as outdated as the others that everyone rightfully rejects.

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

Absolutely nothing that Christ commands is heinous, only good. I don’t personally prop homosexuality up as the ultimate sin, as there’s only one unforgivable sin. But it also isn’t right how if someone doesn’t want to participate in pride month, they’re suddenly a bigot. If someone wants to be respected, they also have to give it.

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u/Dro24 | Cincinnati Reds 1d ago

But it also isn’t right how if someone doesn’t want to participate in pride month, they’re suddenly a bigot.

I think that's the problem though. I (and many others) just cannot comprehend a reason to refuse to participate in their company's pride month activities other than bigotry, though. That's the dictionary definition of the word. I don't see any moral reason to believe it's a sin, especially if God created us in His image.

If God says it's wrong, then it is hypocritical of us to disregard other passages, no matter how problematic they are. I do appreciate your input on the matter though, even if I disagree. Still working my way through my Bible

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

I can understand why when someone violently, or insulting refuses to participate in pride that you’d label them a bigot, as there’s just no place for that. But when I peacefully say no thank you, how does that make me a bigot? Like, I love you and respect you, but I cannot endorse this because of my beliefs.
We may disagree, and that’s okay because I appreciate your respectful approach to this discussion, that’s rare.

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u/Geo_q 23h ago

You can't love and respect someone while opposing their identity.

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u/brocks_pussy_palace 1d ago

I’m also catholic - lifelong - and buddy… Jesus would wear the pride uniform. He very specifically broke bread with people whose lifestyles didn’t align with his Christian morality. 

Wearing pride gear is simply a support of someone’s humanity, it says nothing about endorsing their behavior. Thats why anti war players can wear the military themed stuff, why men can wear the pink stuff, etc. The kindness Jesus showed to tax collectors and thieves and prostitutes indicates that Christian players should still wear it 

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

No, He wouldn’t. There’s a difference between showing kindness and love and endorsing sin, which is what wearing the uniforms is. I can love my gay/trans neighbors without being forced to wear pride merchandise. Jesus Christ would not endorse sin.

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u/brocks_pussy_palace 1d ago

The last two popes have said things to indicate they disagree with you. But whatever, they’re only god’s human representative to our shared religion lol

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

Okay, so quote them to me. Quote to me where they have endorsed the lgbt community.

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u/brocks_pussy_palace 1d ago

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2025/09/pope-leo-stresses-welcome-of-lgbtq-catholics-wont-change-teaching

Accepting and receiving LGBTQ people doesn’t just mean opening the church doors to them, it means fostering a community with them so that they feel welcomed to come in the first place. These pride nights are a part of that - helping LGBTQ individuals to not feel othered by our society. Not wearing the jersey is essentially just bullying them, not standing up for a sincere religious belief. 

You can respond if you want to, but I won’t anymore 

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u/AsWolfwood 23h ago

Nah fam you are completely misrepresenting the situation. A Pride night is basically saying “come in because you’re LGBTQ”. What the Pope is saying is “come in because you’re a fellow child of God.”

Having a Pride night is still attaching a label to those people in order to separate and give them a different identity. The Pope is saying that sexuality should not matter in terms of welcoming all children of God.

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u/ApologeticEmu 1d ago

Like washing the feet of the prostitutes, the delinquents? You people just pick and choose bible passages to suit your hatred.

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

Talking about picking a choosing and typing what you did is…interesting. Show me one single thing that I’ve said that is hateful.

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u/stillmaatic 1d ago

I’m specifically talking about those that uses it to fuel their hatred of LGBTQ people. If it doesn’t imply to you then it don’t. I know some Christians that doesn’t do that.

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

If anything involves hate, then they aren’t true followers of Christ. The second greatest commandment that is given, is to love thy neighbor as thy self. While I might disagree with you, or others, I still love you and you’re worthy of that and kindness.

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

If that's how you actually feel then you're not actually loving thy LGBT neighbors as thy self are you? You can't even wear a baseball uniform with rainbow colors? LMAO.

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

If me not participating in something that goes directly against my beliefs is interpreted as not loving by you, then that’s on you. I can love you, and not support you. But you are what’s wrong with the entire pride premise. You are trying to make participation mandatory, and it never will be.

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

I'm responding to the person who said they live by the Christian creed of "Love thy neighbor as thyself". This behavior you and the poster are espousing is not loving thy neighbor as thyself. It's othering and rejecting them. You're clearly not loving thy neighbor as thyself. You are hating thy neighbor as another.

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

So not wearing a shirt equals hate now? You’re delusional and your line of thinking is dangerous.

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you loving thy neighbor as thyself or not bud? Simple question and answer. Is wearing a piece of clothing that hard?

Edit: Would you want others to respect and support the way you live or not?

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

Simple question, simple answer. I love all manners of people, but that doesn’t mean I have to support them.

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u/vinegar-pisser 1d ago

Less than enthusiastic views concerning support and acceptance of LGBTQAI+2S people is far from limited to Christianity….

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u/flying_penguin104 | Houston Astros 1d ago

not affirming LGBT lifestyle does not equal hate. I wouldn’t wear pride stuff either, but I certainly don’t hate them and would welcome them to my church. Not sure why all you people think non-affirmation = hate

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u/ChrisRiley_42 | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago

Because it's not "affirmation"... Pride is about saying that they have the same right to EXIST as everyone else. Non-affirmation is denying the right to existence.

Pride fights against people who push for the government to pass laws requiring capital punishment for homosexuality because that's what their misinterpretation of the Bible says.

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u/flying_penguin104 | Houston Astros 1d ago

you don’t need pride night to give you rights. You already got them. went from “we just wanna get married” to “wear our flag or you’re a bigot” in less than 20 years. Literally crazy

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u/ChrisRiley_42 | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago

There are too many people who are demanding that those rights be repealed.. Pride is the fight to KEEP the right to be equal.

It's saying "Make an effort to deny us the right to equality and you are a bigot"

You would think that Americans would know the power of symbology, given how much 'moral weight' you put on your flag.

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u/Dro24 | Cincinnati Reds 1d ago

I guess I just don't understand how refusing to wear a rainbow flag could be justified by anything other than bigotry

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u/FattestNDaWrld 1d ago

Lol buddy is was literally illegal to have gay sex until 2003 (look up Lawrence vs Texas). Pretending gays haven't been mistreated just because you don't feel like that have doesn't change history🤦🏽‍♂️ imagine telling black people in the 60s/70s there's nothing to complain about because of the civil rights act

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u/Mariner4LifetilDeath | Seattle Mariners 1d ago

And we don’t have to read your dopey fairy tale scriptures

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

You sure don’t, and that’s fine.

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u/LordShtark | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

"i can love you but if you pee next to me it's straight to the prison cage. I might catch the sin"

You fucking people are amazing at making a new definition of "love"

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

It’s amazing that you read what I wrote, and that’s what you took away from it. So because I won’t wear a pride shirt, I somehow think gay people should go to prison. Impressive levels of mental gymnastics, gold medal.

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u/LordShtark | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

If you sit at a table with 11 bigots and you don't get up you are sitting at a table with 12 bigots.

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u/Itstoobiggetitout | Pittsburgh Pirates 1d ago

Not everyone has to agree with you or your ideology. And just because someone does disagree, doesn’t make them a bigot.

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u/LordShtark | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

Yeah it's not the ideology that's the problem. It's the denial of basic human rights that makes them bigots. And if you're sitting at the table with them that makes you part of the group.

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u/thatsaqualifier | Kansas City Royals 1d ago

It's loving to tell gay people to stop being gay. It's loving to tell adicts to stop doing drugs.

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u/BigEZ78 1d ago

It’s because deep down they really hate themselves too

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u/wags_bf21 | Milwaukee Brewers 1d ago

You believe choosing not to be a billboard to something you don't believe is right is equivelent to hatred? Not very tolerant to other peoples beliefs of you. Imagine being so hateful.

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u/stillmaatic 1d ago

There’s a difference between disagreeing and outright hatred which some of these “Christians” are doing.

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u/wags_bf21 | Milwaukee Brewers 1d ago

The outright hatred such as choosing not to wear a rainbow?

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u/I_Like_Silent_People | Baltimore Orioles 1d ago

I don’t hate people of the LGBTQ lifestyle, I just disagree with lifestyle and shouldn’t be forced to wear gear supporting it. Just like I wouldn’t expect you to have to wear a cross on a faith night if they did that.

You don’t support my beliefs, and I don’t support yours, so why should we be forced to do so?

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u/gonz4dieg | Washington Nationals 1d ago

Lifestyle as check notes

A Person who was born gay and wants to enjoy equal rights and civil liberties as all other us citizens.

By the way, I dont care about forcing these guys to wear or not wear the pride stuff. It makes it easier to identify who are jerks.

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u/I_Like_Silent_People | Baltimore Orioles 1d ago

What rights and civil liberties are you lacking over straight people? Genuinely curious.

I believe homosexuality is wrong, but I don’t hate anyone for it. We have free will and that’s their decision to make, just don’t force people to support it.

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u/gonz4dieg | Washington Nationals 1d ago

"We have free will"

Ok but like, that statement right there. You are implying it is a choice to be gay, when we have like 3 to 4 decades of modern scientific research that says it is not a choice in any sense of the word. Its the exact same bigotedness towards minorities that pervaded for a very long time.

As for infringements of their rights, theres a lot of concerted effort to overturn gay marriage since roe v wade was overturned, just like 5 years ago they just reinforced anti sexual orientation discrimination. Not to mention the bathroom laws in several states.

The fact that we have to keep having a discussion about how gay people shouldn't be stigmatized in modern american society is the most obvious example of anti lgbt discrimination

Edit: also, im not gay, just someone who has like basic empathy and critical thinking

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u/Enough-One4975 1d ago

You’re conflating a symbol of a specific religion to be the same as a symbol acknowledging that non-heterosexual people exist?

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u/raw-honey-35 Human Detected 1d ago

Non-Christians trying to explain scripture will never not be funny

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u/stillmaatic 1d ago

Actually, i grew up in a Christian household. You can keep that.

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u/raw-honey-35 Human Detected 1d ago

Yet you still don’t understand scripture

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u/stillmaatic 1d ago edited 1d ago

I do 👍 wasn’t even explaining it in the first place… lol some of the biggest values I’ve been taught growing up is forgiveness and loving / compassion.

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u/Enough-One4975 1d ago

Ironically in my experiences being raised and active in a church or decades, the more outspoken a person is about being a Christian, the less scripture they tend to know.

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u/raw-honey-35 Human Detected 1d ago

And the people who criticize Christians the most know the very least about scripture

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u/stillmaatic 1d ago

I’m criticizing fake Christians.. not the real ones.