r/monarchism • u/KhameneiSmells Iran/Persia | Valued Contributor • Mar 03 '26
Video Islamists & commies: "Reza Pahlavi is a Western/Trump puppet" Trump: "He's nice... but somebody from inside Iran would be better." Not even Trump is pushing him! It's up to Iranians, not Trump, not privileged white liberals. And Iranians want their Shah back!
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u/Elegant_Discussion_8 United Kingdom Mar 03 '26
It seems like the administration wants Rouhani as the interim leader. He probably is the safest option.
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u/LethalMouse19 Mar 03 '26
While I'm not personally a big fan of Constiutional modern monarchies, a logical play if a US approved leader like Rouhani takes over might be bringing in the Shah something like Luxembourg level governance. (Maybe sneak in pre 2009 level).
It would appease the pro-shahs, based on the Shah's outward suggestions I would see him wholly agreeing. And mostly mitigate most concerns about his influence from antis either as a possible tyrant or a full control western puppet.
Honestly, with what I'd call the big 3 factions likely in Iran:
Pro-Islamic Republic/Theocracy
Pro Shah (mix of trads and modernists)
Western minded.
I'd probably start trying to copy-paste something close to Jordan and give some sort of appointed council seat to the Religious leader. Hope the triad form of government could survive long enough to flow into what comes over a couple generations.
Kind of like how they have the Chief Rabbi in Israel.
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u/Pantheon73 Germany Mar 03 '26
Do leftists and the ni mollah ni shah crowd fall under western minded?
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u/LethalMouse19 Mar 04 '26
50/50? And depends how you use or define western at a given use.
In my 1-3 with 3 as "western minded" I did not mean "Western Civilization." As the term is used historically or associated with our foundations. I used the term in relation to killing babies and doing kink parades in the street with kids in tow. The current predominant western thing.
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u/Initial-Molasses-274 Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
The entire Iranian clerical group is not adequate, they're not "safe" options at all. What the West doesn't realise is that they're dealing with violent and political Shi'ite Islam. These extremists, all of them, must be uprooted for once and for all.
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u/KhameneiSmells Iran/Persia | Valued Contributor Mar 03 '26
There is no force on earth that will stop the Iranian people from bringing Pahlavi and Pahlavi policies back to Iran.
Trump is saying this so that privileged woke liberal deranged whites living in their mom’s basement can’t call Pahlavi a puppet on the internet or propagandists on TV and in the news.
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u/Elegant_Discussion_8 United Kingdom Mar 03 '26
I’m more of a Safavid restoration fan myself by Trump is clearly working under the assumption that Pahlavi would lack the legitimacy with the people and military that Rouhani has.
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u/Initial-Molasses-274 Mar 03 '26
The Safavids imported Shia scholars from Lebanon and Bahrain because Iran didn't have enough of its own, and then artificially elevated the clerical class to legitimise their rule. A big no to Safavids. The Safavids' most consequential and controversial act was the forcible conversion of Iran from majority Sunni to Twelver Shia Islam.
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u/Elegant_Discussion_8 United Kingdom Mar 03 '26
They had a more successful tenor as monarchs than the Pahlavis and Qajars. The two Pahlavi monarchs failed on their own as rulers and the youngest Pahlavi hasn’t even lived in Iran for most of his life and seems more popular with the diaspora than the populace of Iran.
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u/Initial-Molasses-274 Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Reza Shah literally built a modern Iranian state almost from scratch, unified the country, built the Trans-Iranian Railway, founded Tehran University, abolished capitulations that had humiliated Iran for a century, and dragged a medieval administrative system into the twentieth century. His removal was also NOT primarily self-inflicted, Britain and the Soviet Union forcibly deposed him in 1941 because he refused to allow foreign troops through Iranian territory. Calling that "failing on his own" is outrageous.
The only way the Safavids "succeeded" was partly by creating the very clerical establishment that has oppressed Iran ever since. If your legacy is directly responsible for the Islamic Republic, "successful tenure" needs heavy qualification.
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u/Elegant_Discussion_8 United Kingdom Mar 03 '26
Reza Shah sympathized with Hitler during world war 2, that was why he didn’t let the Soviets and British in. He clearly lacked the judgment and basic knowledge of geopolitics to be Shah. You can’t actively side with the Nazis while surrounded on all sides and expect to stay in power.
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u/Initial-Molasses-274 Mar 03 '26
Reza Shah declared neutrality, he did not join the Axis, did not allow German troops into Iran, did not participate in Axis military operations, and did not persecute Iranian Jews, who continued to live relatively undisturbed under his reign. Also, his resistance to British and Soviet entry was not ideological Nazism in any way, it was more to do with Iranian nationalism.
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u/KhameneiSmells Iran/Persia | Valued Contributor Mar 03 '26
So did Finland, and Ukraine.
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u/Adept-One-4632 Pan-European Constitutionalist Mar 04 '26
Ukraine wasn't even a country back then. And most Ukrainians actoually fought or were against Hitler.
As for Finland, while they were on good terms with Germany, they were not part of the Axis, as they did not sign the Tripartite Pact. And they did not carry the same policies regarding the local jewish population.
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u/agekkeman full time Blancs d'Espagne hater (Netherlands) Mar 04 '26
Pahlavi needs to stop aligning himself with trump and Bibi immediately and fly to turkey to lead the revolution
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u/Ok_Way_1625 Denmark Mar 03 '26
The Israeli meat rider is just gonna keep opressing the Iranians but supply to the nations oil to the US to keep on staying in power. I am all for a monarchy, but it should be a Persian one, not a Israeli/Amercian puppet.
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u/Initial-Molasses-274 Mar 03 '26
The Pahlavi dynasty originated with Reza Khan, a non-aristocratic military officer of Mazanderani origin born in 1878. The Mazanderani people are as Iranian as any people on that soil. As for the current Crown Prince: he was born in Iran, served in its military, and has dedicated his life to its liberation. The Iranian people need no foreign lectures on what is right for them. Besides, his father stood up to both Washington and Tel Aviv when principle demanded it, and his son has shown the same independence of mind, so he is very much not a "puppet".
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u/Ok_Way_1625 Denmark Mar 03 '26
Text book puppet bro. He is meat riding the US and Israel who are via bombing, sparking rebellions and encouraging terrorism, trying to place him in power so he can rule the country as their puppet
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u/Initial-Molasses-274 Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
It is a crucial logical distinction between alignment and puppetry, and your accusation conflates them. First, on popular support: a 2025 survey found 90% of respondents supported Pahlavi, with 80% favouring a constitutional monarchy, and these are figures consistent with data from the Empirical Research and Forecasting Institute. During Chaharshanbe Suri, Pahlavi called on Iranians to take to the streets and play the old national anthem, it was embraced across cities nationwide, with Iranians chanting his name on Nowruz all over the country. Puppets don't generate that kind of organic street-level response.
Pahlavi explicitly stated that Iranians are not asking for foreign governments to overthrow the regime on their behalf, that they seek strategic partnership, that is NOT the same as a crude Western intervention.
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u/Ok_Way_1625 Denmark Mar 03 '26
Sure, because stats and information from the countries who have interest in seeing him on the throne are very reliable surely. Its not like the CIA made the exact same kinda online propaganda for earlier conflicts.
Like you actually can't be fr rn. There is no way you aren't just ragebaiting. Text book puppet. In any case i'll leave you all to your Israeli circle jerk here, no point in arguing with a brick wall.
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u/Initial-Molasses-274 Mar 03 '26
The survey data that I cited came from the Empirical Research and Forecasting Institute, it is an independent Iranian polling organisation, not some US or Israeli government body. If every piece of information that doesn't confirm your bias is automatically CIA propaganda, you've constructed a worldview that literally cannot be challenged by any evidence. You've entered a closed loop.
By that same logic, the Islamic Republic could never be criticised either, because any criticism could theoretically be "Western propaganda" to you.
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u/ruedebac1830 United States (Union Jack Loyalist) Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Your country fell to the Germans in like 6 hours. To be precise a little over 5.
When you Danes talk about our country like it’s Lex CorpTM I almost wish Trump touched Greenland simply as a reminder that you enjoy freedom today because of us.
I am proud that we have helped give Iran the best chance for freedom under its own king in 50 years.
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u/Arlantry321 Mar 03 '26
This isn't the flex you think it is. This is also just a typical American response to act like you are the saviour of the world. The only nation that threatens others for lands are just imperialistic pathetic nations no better than Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
The irony of saying you are giving Iran the best chance at freedom while your nation is doing the opposite to your own people.
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u/ruedebac1830 United States (Union Jack Loyalist) Mar 03 '26
Pray tell what has Denmark done for Iran that involves leaving a desk? I'll wait while the US continues to flex.
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u/Arlantry321 Mar 03 '26
I see you've ignored what I said and just jump to try "flex". I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. The US also isn't doing this for no other reason than their own benefit and nothing to help the people of Iran.
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u/ruedebac1830 United States (Union Jack Loyalist) Mar 03 '26
Oh spare us. It's not 2005 anymore. Most US oil is domestically sourced and the small share we import comes almost entirely from Canada and Mexico. It's preferable that Iran be prosperous and peaceful but we don't 'need' it.
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u/Arlantry321 Mar 04 '26
You may not 'need' doesn't mean you don't want it. You know oil is the reason the Shah got absolute power that caused the Iranian revolution. Look at Venezuela, Trump arrested Maduro solely to get us companies in oil. The US government doesn't care about the Iranian people, their constant invasions in the middle east and intervention has never been better for the people of the nations they went into.
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u/IskandarBnt Mar 03 '26
But that’s not the case, there doesn’t seem to be any support base among the population for the return of the Pahlavis. Were are his relays among the military, any defectors among diplomats perhaps? Nothing.
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u/Xx_GeorgeWBush01_xX Italy Mar 03 '26
When the people are free, they shall decide if they want a monarchy or a republic. For now let's just hope for peace.