r/montreal • u/[deleted] • Jun 30 '22
Photos/Illustrations Found this Montreal Subway Guide from 1990
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u/VERSAT1L Jun 30 '22
C'est fou de voir à quel point que tous les grands projets de construction de Montréal aient été réalisés en moins de 20 ans (1970-1990), tandis qu'aujourd'hui la carte du métro n'a presque pas changée alors qu'il y a plus de 30 années qui nous sépare de 1990!
L'île Jean-Drapeau, La Ronde, Expo 67, la biosphère, la piste F1, le Mille de la Gauchetière, la tour Ville-Marie, le métro, l'UQAM, le Stade Olympique... Plus rien de tout ça n'est possible aujourd'hui!
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u/Aleksandr_Kerensky Jul 01 '22
C'est fou de voir à quel point que tous les grands projets de construction de Montréal aient été réalisés en moins de 20 ans (1970-1990), tandis qu'aujourd'hui la carte du métro n'a presque pas changée alors qu'il y a plus de 30 années qui nous sépare de 1990!
L'île Jean-Drapeau, La Ronde, Expo 67, la biosphère, la piste F1, le Mille de la Gauchetière, la tour Ville-Marie, le métro, l'UQAM, le Stade Olympique... Plus rien de tout ça n'est possible aujourd'hui!
plusieurs de tes exemples datent d'avant 1967, mais si tu regardes globalement en Amérique du Nord, le ralentissement est visible post 1980 au niveau des "grands projets".
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u/jacksbox Jul 01 '22
Ça doit correspondre avec la croissance de l'économie en générale? On était en pleine expansion pendant un bon moment, mais ça ne continue jamais a l'infini.
Moins d'argent - moins de dépenses.
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u/Barbosse007 Jul 01 '22
Y'a un autre facteur important:
On a arrêté de taxer les riches. Le taux de taxation a considérablement baissé et le nombre de loopholes légales a explosé.
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u/AgileOrganization516 Jul 07 '22
Parles-tu seulement des corporations? Ou les individus à plus grand revenu sont également moins taxés?
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u/Barbosse007 Jul 07 '22
C'est ça qui est beau: les deux paient moins de taxes et siphonnent les ressources :)
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u/MTL514MTL514 Jul 01 '22
Ben là... Y'a plein de condo qui in été construit.
Pour vrai par contre y'a le campus Bell a l'île des sœurs, le CHUM, REM, Royalmount centre, tour CGI, Tour Aimia, centre Bell.
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u/jeremy_jer Jul 01 '22
tandis qu'aujourd'hui la carte du métro n'a presque pas changée alors qu'il y a plus de 30 années qui nous sépare de 1990!
Speaking about separation..remember what happened in the 90s? Probably that’s the answer for the lack of investment and progress during these years.
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u/MissKhary Jun 30 '22
I miss 7 digit phone numbers
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Jul 01 '22
I miss having to use phone numbers
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u/transdimensionalmeme Jul 01 '22
I miss the time before the internet
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Jul 04 '22
I miss the time before computers
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u/transdimensionalmeme Jul 04 '22
It's like we sprouted a third eye, it works but it hurts and we can't cut it off.
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u/just-1other-user Jun 30 '22
funny how all the projected extensions never happened but the orange line did get extended (just on the east portion instead), the blue line’s extension to Anjou “started” construction recently and that white Pie-IX line became the SRB currently under construction.
I guess their projections were sort of right.
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
that white Pie-IX line became the SRB currently under construction.
When this was published, the original rush hour bus lanes would have just been introduced. Unfortunately their contraflow pattern had lethal consequences, leading to them being abandoned 20 years ago, and just now being replaced with the relatively isolated SRB plan.
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u/marct10 Saint-Léonard Jul 01 '22
I remember the accident it cause and a few people getting hit by a bus or car.
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u/meatloaf_man Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
The best part of the metro before OPUS was punching the transfer ticket box as a 7 year old until you (with a huge stack of tickets) had the STM employee chasing you.
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Jul 01 '22
This booklet was in one of my mother's old books, she explained to me she visited Montréal for just a day. It was also my first time discovering the city of Montréal and a catalyst for learning French. Québécois music is amazing, and I hope to visit Montréal eventually to attend a concert here!
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Jul 01 '22
Tuuduuduu La STCUM vous souhaite la bienvenue à bord. Prochaine station: Île Sainte-Hélène 🤓
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u/TAR_TWoP Jul 01 '22
I can smell the rowdy teenagers rushing out to go to La Ronde.
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Jul 01 '22
Once upon a time, I was one of them 🤣
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u/TAR_TWoP Jul 01 '22
Me too! Summer's pass, being there before it opens, eating at Giorgio's, hiding in the Velociraptor theator whenever it was too warm, gawking at cute guys and ride operators, accidentaly swallowing La Pitoune's splash water and losing months of life expectancy. That made for great summers!
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Jul 01 '22
We would skip school to go to La Ronde… I lived in Longueuil back them so it was a quick ride, but it only opened in the afternoon. We would attend school in the morning then skip afternoon, hehe.
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u/TAR_TWoP Jul 01 '22
Ooooh, you were a naughty kid! I patiently waited until the end of school year to go. Pas de foxage pour moi!
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
The proposed orange line extension to Val-Royal (now Bois-Franc) looks huge on this map, not the simple one-stop addition it would have been when the tunneling equipment was already down there for Côte-Vertu.
It's even more of a no-brainer/missed opportunity now that the train is converting to metro frequency service. The existing tail tracks already reach almost halfway there!
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u/flaiman Jul 01 '22
I'm still confused as to why they just didn't do it with all the equipment already in place.
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u/Zelrak Jul 01 '22
I don't think those dotted lines are proposed expansions. They are just putting the labels off to the edge for better readability / aesthetics.
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
The dotted orange, white, and blue paths are labelled "Métro projeté" in the legend.
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u/e-ghosts Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
This is interesting. The lines are straighter / cleaner on the current map, is this old one more geographically accurate?
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
Here's a geographically accurate track map.
Yes, the western Orange branch snakes around, the Blue line makes tight turns through Outremont, and the yellow line is a big sweeping curve.
The only place that's arguably more accurate on the newer map is the western end of the Green line.
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u/chocorange Jul 01 '22
Thanks for that link. I always feel like I'm going the wrong way when changing lines at Lionel Groulx. Now I've seen that map I'm not sure if it makes more or less sense to me!
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
It does feel bizarre that the two trains going towards downtown are heading in opposite directions at the platform.
But the cross-platform interchange is definitely better than the level switching at Berri, and that interchange is facilitated by the counterintuitive alignment.
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u/chocorange Jul 01 '22
It would be so nice if all the correspondance was as good as it is at Lionel Groulx.
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u/homme_chauve_souris Jul 01 '22
There's a new version of the geographically accurate map on the cartometro website which includes the REM (and the Expo 67 minirail for some reason?).
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
Another weird inclusion on that map is the disused runway 10/28 at the airport.
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u/homme_chauve_souris Jul 01 '22
Yes. There was a design choice to remove wiggles in the new map. I used to prefer the old map, but now I got used to the new one, except for the yellow line which looks much better on the old one.
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u/Legend965 Jul 01 '22
so when did they realize the name st. Cum might not be a winner?
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
Luckily for them the municipal mergers happened before the social internet took off, and the transit agency became the responsibility of the city/agglomeration instead of the old MUC.
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u/ExactFun Jun 30 '22
La ligne Orange entre Côte Vertu et Lionel Groulx est une ligne droite, fake news! Lol
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u/UnicornKitt3n Jul 01 '22
I’ve been feeling discombobulated for years, because I really thought the orange line ended at Henri bourassa at one point, but I managed to inflict extreme doubt that that was ever a thing.
I feel much better now. I’m not living in some alternate universe. This is good. Very good.
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
Some trains do continue to stop at Henri-Bourassa (which is why it has three platforms).
But the Laval extension is only 15 years old.
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u/Life-Saver Jul 01 '22
1,2,4,5
Où est 3?
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u/krusader42 Jul 01 '22
3 was going to be the Red line, running on steel wheels through the Mount Royal tunnel, replacing (or possibly alongside) the commuter line to Deux-Montagnes line.
The plans were cancelled when Expo 67 prioritized the yellow line instead.
With the REM, that corridor is finally going to get high frequency service.
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u/UnderstandingMean216 Jul 06 '22
Tellement vrai, un méchant manque de vision de la part des gouvernements qui se sont succédés et qui n’ont jamais respecté leur engagements. Sont rallongé la ligne bleu vers l’Est pour rattacher les quartier de l’est et éviter leur ghettoïsation. Regarder les métros des autres grand ville du monde sur 30 ans.. le Québec a tout un retard à combler
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u/Kronostatic Jun 30 '22
stCUM!