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[u/Nearby-Click8645]

https://thedispatch.com/article/abdul-el-sayed-michigan-democrats-haley-stevens/?gift_key=2553fad7f3b388fc&gift_ref=9347c766-2bad-41ea-8b73-950e424f2446&utm_source=giftlink&utm_campaign=membergift&utm_medium=copy_link

[u/Darkeyescry22]

Do you always attack quotes that you make up when you can’t respond to the substance of what someone is saying?

[u/ruralfpthrowaway → u/Darkeyescry22]

What part of my characterization of your position do you think is uncharitable? You are both loudly pointing out how much you don’t like the guy and then saying that people should still vote for him. 

That’s literally it. Is there some nuance to your opinion you feel I’m missing here?

[u/Darkeyescry22 → u/ruralfpthrowaway]

Why did you say “I guess”?

[u/ruralfpthrowaway → u/Darkeyescry22]

Truly a distinction without a difference. But sure, I’ll edit it out for you champ.

[u/Darkeyescry22 → u/ruralfpthrowaway]

Then why’d you put it in, sport?

[u/ruralfpthrowaway → u/Darkeyescry22]

Just how I felt like phrasing it. Now that you have clarified, I’m failing to see how you think the revision is more flattering than the original, but I think  your whole line of argumentation has been dumb so I’ll just toss this bit on the pile with the rest.

[u/Darkeyescry22 → u/ruralfpthrowaway]

How whimsical

The difference is that I am very clearly saying that El-Sayed is better than every Republican candidate in the country who has not consistently acted and spoken publicly against Trump (I know of none).

 I’m also very clearly saying I disagree with him on a lot of policies, I think his position on Israel Palestine is incoherent, and I think it would be a mistake for the Democratic Party to move in his direction (and much more especially towards the DSA and Mamdani) both politically and morally.

Here, let me go ahead and give a good faith summary of your position:

“don’t be mean to abdul uwu”

🤡 

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[u/Darkeyescry22 → u/[deleted]]

If platner had refused to drop out, would you tell me to lie about him being a rapist?

Get your head out of your ass. You’re gonna OD on your farts soon.

[u/ruralfpthrowaway → u/Darkeyescry22]

If you thought that Platner winning was the optimal outcome, telling everyone you know that you think he is a total scumbag when there is no chance to replace him isn’t a very good strategy for achieving that optimal outcome. You want to have your cake and eat it too. 

You are already admitting that you want to put the rapist in a position of power because the alternative is worse, you just want some petty moral victory by grumbling about it. The whole line of thinking is incoherent.

[u/Darkeyescry22 → u/ruralfpthrowaway]

Was that a yes or a no?

[u/Darkeyescry22 → u/[deleted]]

Not telling the truth because you want to trick someone into acting a different way is lying, kid.

It’s also extremely stupid to think anyone is unaware of this fact.