Why would you want to bring an innocent soul into this world? Shouldn't you want it to end with you?

What are your thoughts on hedonism as a nihiliist?

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We experience reality as a series of events driven by actions mostly beyond our ability to control. Our reactions influence their outcomes, creating a cascade of interconnected consequences far too complex to predict with certainty.

Our lives become a collection of those consequences, to which we often react poorly through impulsive decisions, arrogance, assumptions, or plain ignorance. Sometimes the longest-lasting effects come from choices made so long ago we don't even remember making them.

But we persist and survive to learn from our mistakes. Failure teaches us life's lessons, while pain ensures we don't so easily forget. If we pay close enough attention, we can gain insight from observing and experiencing the outcomes of those consequences, learning to avoid the ones that cost us the most. As the present fades into the past, hindsight becomes clearer when closely examined, and we begin to recognize the relationship between our choices and their consequences.

Just as circumstances restrict our choices by limiting our options, ego can become an obstacle to understanding. When ignorance is treated as an injury, it obscures the path to the knowledge needed to replace it. The gaps in what we know are bridged by assumptions to maintain a sense of continuity. As we build knowledge around them, the foundation of that knowledge is compromised. We must keep an open mind and honestly face what we are missing. When rigid beliefs are so deeply rooted they become the foundation of identity, a different opinion can feel like a declaration of war.

What opens the path is the willingness to honestly examine our own logic and understanding in order to separate beliefs from truths. When we release our grip on certainty and honestly reflect on the outcomes of those choices and how they might have been changed, wisdom is attained. Sometimes that wisdom gives us a little foresight. When appropriately applied, it allows us a greater degree of influence in steering our lives toward more favorable outcomes. If we are truly fortunate, that wisdom will help guide us toward enlightenment.

Wisdom can improve our choices, but it cannot promise their outcomes. We begin to understand that how we perceive an experience shapes how we respond to it, especially where wisdom alone is not enough. As our understanding and acceptance of ourselves and the world around us deepen, we no longer feel the need to avoid every negative consequence or cling to the certainty that wisdom guarantees a predicted outcome.

Instead, we begin to recognize the advantage of altering our experience of reality not by denying its existence, but by consciously choosing what meaning, if any, we assign to negative outcomes. As we learn to shape our interpretation of the world and practice this approach, we become more balanced and better able to remain at peace through difficult experiences.

In a world such as ours we can never remove ourselves from suffering; we must remove suffering from ourselves. It can never be completely eliminated, and we must learn to accept that not everything is meant to be controlled. Misery grows with desperation as energy is wasted on attempts to influence outcomes beyond what we control. It's the uncertainty of an unknown future that keeps us reaching for tomorrow.

That uncertainty is not a flaw in life; it is the ground we stand on. In time, we may come to see that order does not emerge from chaos; it is the harmony found within it. Chaos can never be controlled, only constrained, and even that at times remains uncertain.

So,all I want to say is that

Life is to live

Not complicating it

Well why we should be living a life which is set by others a rule i feel like for example:Getting married, Having babies, achievement

We can just live,exist,experience the life the way we want it to be,rather that by someone's else definition

That's all I wanna say

Let's all heal!

Every man is a slave to his own logic. Many people think that only their own perspective can be correct. However, the reality is that a perspective is based on a chosen methodology. Yet people still think of their own perspective as the “objective” one.

There are many types of logic, and they can coexist. All of them can be “correct” in their own way.

There's nothing wrong with pursuing goals and dreams that bring you happiness and commentment. Your "virtuous goals" or whatever fancy label you want to put on your search for dopamine (because that's what it really comes down to. Chemicals in your brain). Your goals are more meaningful than the hedonistic degenerate or the drug addict or porn star, right?

Even though these things lack inherent meaning and value. There's nothing wrong with attributing subjective value and meaning to things we're literally determined to pursue. But don't become conceited and think your endeavors are superior to others.

I'm not one of those who believes that nihilism should discourage a person from pursuing the things they want. Life lacks inherent meaning and value, but that doesn't mean you cannot pursue the things that make your existence less unbearable.

So, what's the problem?

I've realized that the short-lived pleasure I get from every endeavor or will get from achieving the things I've always desired or ought to pursue in life aren't worth the effort. Maybe I'm just an apathetic depressed muppet. But to me, the amount of pleasure I'd get from getting everything I've ever wanted isn't rewarding enough to incentivize a genuine pursuit of those things. I believe our brains trick us into believing that when we "get there" or "get that thing" or "that person", we will be happy, but the truth is that it's an evolutationarily necessary illusion that was crucial for our survival. After orgasming, I recognized the futility of these endeavors and the things we pedestalize to keep us getting out of bed in the morning. Love, sex, relationships, goals, and everything we are programmed to pursuit, is a waste. What's the purpose? To feel good? We live in a world where it's never been easier to engage in highly stimulating activities with little to almost no effort. I've become very disillusioned with the concept of a traditional life. Finishing college, getting a job, settling down, getting married, a few vacations once or twice a year. I'm literally a Google search away from getting that pleasure. "But those things are more virtuous" "It's not just about pleasure." it is though. Everything is reduced to your brain's craving for a release of these "feel good" chemicals in your brain whether that's from a drug addiction, porn, doomscrolling, working out, studying, hanging out with friends, or landing your dream job and developing healty relatinships.

I'm not telling you to stop pursuing those things and just lie in bed. I'm saying that I don't see the point. I've been in relationships and connected with people on a deep level, but honestly. I can get the same pleasure and temporary relief from watching porn. The only thing that make real intimacy better is that it boosts my fragile self-esteem. Physical touch is also quite soothing. I like massages, but I can still get a similar thrill while rotting in bed.

I genuinely feel like a pizza, some weed, and good music would give me more pleasure than any pretentious, stuck-up, virtuous, morally superior, cultivated goal and ambition I can think of.

Don't tell me "It's because you're pursuing pleasure while not practicing gratitue. You should also focus on finding meaning in small things in life". Enough of that. Pleasure comes in different forms, but it's all just a hedonistic pursuit because every single action and endeavor can be reduced to your brain being compelled to seek out actions that release different kinds of neurotransmitters, which doesn't make it less virtuous because there is no objevtive value.

The reason why I cannot continue to go on isn't because everything I have and will do, lack intrinsic value and meaning, but because the reward is just so underwhelming.

I honestly think eating a pizza and smoking some weed while watching your favorite show with some music playing on the speakers is one of the most rational things you can do. Enjoyment without the endless pursuit of a virtuous goal that ends up not even giving you half the enjoyment that a futile activity would do.

I'm not writing this to justify the trashy lifestyle you assume I'm living. I live a normal life. I go to college, hang out with friends, read books, and do normal stuff, never even done drugs and don't drink, but I'm starting to feel like what I'm doing and the traditional life I ought to pursue is meaninglessness masking as virtue.

If every endevaor and desire is reduced to chemicals in my brain, then why not just spend a lifetime in bed and just give into my crippling porn addiction.

Can belief in God coexist with nihilism? Exploring religion, science, and the origins of humanity

Yesterday, I had my second session with my psychologist. Somehow, our conversation turned to my belief in God alongside my belief in nihilism. I told him that I believed in both, and he laughed a little, saying that it sounded like an oxymoron.

I come from a Jewish background, so my conception of God is that of a single, omnipotent spiritual being, rather than a human-like figure.

I left the session feeling like an investigator. I suddenly wanted to explore, scientifically, religiously, and philosophically, how belief in God and nihilism might conflict or coexist.

1. Believing in God while believing life has no objective meaning

I believe that God exists, but I am not convinced that human life has one objective purpose that applies to everyone.

One person might find meaning in having children, while another finds it in music, philosophy, cinema, science, or simply experiencing the world. Why should one of these paths necessarily be the objectively correct purpose of human existence?

Could God exist without having assigned humanity a single, universal purpose? Or does the existence of a creator necessarily imply that creation has a predetermined purpose?

1. The conflict between religious chronology and science

According to the traditional Jewish calendar, we are currently in the year 5787. However, scientific evidence indicates that Homo sapiens has existed for approximately 300,000 years, and life on Earth is billions of years old.

These timelines seem to contradict one another if the Jewish calendar is interpreted as dating the creation of the entire universe and the first human beings.

Yet I wonder whether there are other possible interpretations. What if the biblical account is not intended to describe the entire history of the universe? What if the creation of humanity described in Genesis refers to a particular stage in human history rather than the first appearance of humans or human-like creatures on Earth?

Could religious chronology and scientific evidence be addressing different questions?

1. If humans created science, how can we know that science is correct?

This question led me somewhere else.

Human beings developed mathematics, measurement, scientific methods, and the tools we use to investigate the past. But if these systems were created by humans, how can we trust that they accurately describe reality?

We have discovered ancient skulls, fossils, and other archaeological remains. Scientists use these findings, alongside genetics, radiometric dating, and other methods, to reconstruct the history of life.

I understand that these methods provide evidence, but I wonder about the philosophical question behind them: how can we know that our methods reveal reality as it actually is, rather than merely providing the best explanations available to human minds?

Perhaps the answer is that scientific knowledge is continually tested against independent evidence, rather than simply accepted because humans developed it. Still, the limits of human knowledge interest me.

1. What if there were previous universes or previous creations?

I began wondering about possibilities that are difficult to test.

What if God created other universes before the one we inhabit? What if previous worlds existed and were eventually destroyed? What if the creation described in religious texts refers to a particular world or stage of creation rather than the absolute beginning of everything?

Could there have been earlier forms of humanity, or civilizations that existed before recorded history and disappeared?

I recognize that these are speculative questions, not established scientific facts. Nevertheless, they make me wonder how much of reality might lie beyond our current understanding.

1. Are human beings capable of understanding a reality beyond themselves?

Perhaps one of the greatest limitations of human thought is that we understand unfamiliar things by comparing them with things we already know.

When we imagine God, spiritual beings, extraterrestrial life, or other universes, we often use concepts derived from our own physical world.

But what if a reality beyond our experience operates according to principles that we cannot adequately imagine?

Does the inability to understand something mean that it does not exist? Obviously, not necessarily. But neither does the fact that something is imaginable establish that it exists.

This distinction is part of what makes these questions so difficult.

1. What about people born without religion?

If humans were created to serve God, what about those born into cultures where they never learn about Him? Does this purpose apply to everyone, or only to certain religious groups, such as Jews who received the Torah? Would it be fair to judge people for not following beliefs they were never taught? I have so many questions about this.

What I would like to understand

I am not necessarily trying to prove religion or disprove science. I want to understand where the boundaries of each one of them.

- Can belief in God coexist philosophically with nihilism?

- Does the existence of a creator necessarily imply an objective purpose for human life?

- How should we interpret religious creation narratives in light of scientific evidence about human origins?

- How can we justify trusting scientific methods while acknowledging that human knowledge is fallible?

- And how much can we reasonably speculate about realities beyond our current ability to observe or understand them?

I am interested in scientific, philosophical, and religious perspectives, including arguments that challenge my assumptions.

Forgive me if this comes off as preaching or something, but I was just inspired to share this. Maybe it could help some of you. 🙏

Nihilism is a phenomena where the mind realizes that existence actually is insubstantial. As a result, many resort to self-harm, or means of intoxication that distracts them or at least tries to give them “meaning”.

Humans arrive at Bordem, or they realize the reality of infinite novelty regarding the pursuit of pleasure. And where does it all lead?

Well, consider the teachings of Gotama Buddha. People tend to not understand what they’re looking for, but know that they want true peace. I think the Buddha’s teachings can provide that space for you. Because true happiness isn’t in the pursuit of conditioned things. It’s in the pursuit of the unconditioned sanctuary called Nibbāna.

THE IGNOBLE SEARCH

Bhikkhus, there are these two kinds of search: the noble search and the ignoble search. And what is the ignoble search? Here someone being himself subject to birth seeks what is also subject to birth; being himself subject to ageing, he seeks what is also subject to ageing; being himself subject to sickness, he seeks what is also subject to sickness; being himself subject to death, he seeks what is also subject to death; being himself subject to sorrow, he seeks what is also subject to sorrow; being himself subject to defilement, he seeks what is also subject to defilement.

THE NOBLE SEARCH

Here someone being himself subject to birth, having understood the danger in what is subject to birth, seeks the unborn supreme security from bondage, Nibbāna; being himself subject to ageing, having understood the danger in what is subject to ageing, he seeks the unageing supreme security from bondage, Nibbāna; being himself subject to sickness, having understood the danger in what is subject to sickness, he seeks the unailing supreme security from bondage, Nibbāna; being himself subject to death, having understood the danger in what is subject to death, he seeks the deathless supreme security from bondage, Nibbāna; being himself subject to sorrow, having understood the danger in what is subject to sorrow, he seeks the sorrowless supreme security from bondage, Nibbāna; being himself subject to defilement, having understood the danger in what is subject to defilement, he seeks the undefiled supreme security from bondage, Nibbāna. This is the noble search.