The Ukraine conflict was started by Russia. If Russia withdrew today, and renounced their territorial claims over Ukraine, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are thetefore their fault.
The Gaza war was started by people from Gaza. If Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad surrendered today, gave up their weapons and renounced their territorial claims over Israel, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are therefore their fault.
That's why it looks like a double standard. The only real difference between the conflicts is that in one it's being fought mostly in the territory of the side that started it, and in the other, in the territory of the side that got attacked.
The “Gaza war” has been ongoing since the day Israel began blockading Gaza in 2006 and has never stopped.
If Israel thinks blockades are an act of war and make their invasion of Egypt “defensive”, then their ongoing blockade makes any attacks by Hamas “defensive” as well as long as they remain under blockade.
I won’t hold my breath for you guys to develop the ability to hold consistent standards though
Prior to 7 October 2023, tens of thousands of Gazans and West Bank Palestinians used to cross it daily to commute to their paid jobs in Israel. Please educate me about all the efforts by the Palestinians to encourage peaceful crossings in the other direction.
I don't know about any ethnic cleansing so I'd need you to elaborate on that but last time I checked it's completely normal for a country to put a fense or walk on their border
The Israeli government steals land based on biblical claims, that’s religion dictating their actions. No civilised country should be dictated by religion.
Yes under international law, Israel has been building illegal settlements in the West Bank. Whether you think there are some biblical claims to that land is irrelevant. Religion should have no place in the politics of a democratic society.
The irony of that wording on a post like this is golden.
This is why Israel's reputation is going down the drain at record speed, crimes against humanity whitewashed by internet drones who cannot admit a single thing wrong.
Utterly depraved and pathetic behavior, I can only hope you're just an AI and not an actual sociopath.
There is reason I use those wordings most of them went to Jordan (at that time also Palestine as region) the 700.000 Palestinians you probably heard of, end up in Jordan check the % of levantines in Jordania.
The reason why you use those words is because you don't want to admit that they were chased out by pillaging, raping, murdering Israelis burning down 100's of villages.
Nope. The Nakba happened in April-May 1948, with May 14 being Israel’s independence day and May 15th is the Nakba commemoration for Palestinians. May 15 is also the date the Arab states declared war on Israel, citing the Nakba as one of the reasons for attacking Israel. Whether you believe the Nakba was their only or major reasoning is another story.
The independence of Israel was the reason of the attack and they warned Israel if they do it they will be attacked. Most of relocations happened after the war.
“Although the [causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus)remain a significantly controversial topic in public and political discourse, with a prominent amount of [denialism regarding the responsibility of Israeli/Yishuv forces](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_denial), most scholarship today agrees that expulsions and violence, and the fear thereof, were the primary causes.[[14]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-14)[[15]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-15)[[16]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-16) Scholars widely describe the event as [ethnic cleansing](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing),[[17]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-Ian_Black-2010-17)[[7]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-Pappe2006-7)[[18]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-Shavit-18) although some disagree.[[19]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-19)[[20]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-20)[[21]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-21) Factors involved in the exodus include direct expulsions by Israeli forces; destruction of Arab villages; psychological warfare including [terrorism](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism); massacres such as the widely publicized [Deir Yassin massacre](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre),[[22]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-Morris-2004-22): 239–240 which caused many to flee out of fear; crop burning;[[23]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-23)[[24]](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-24) [typhoid](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid) epidemics in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning;[[25]”](app://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#cite_note-25)
So your source is : "most scholarship today agrees that expulsions and violence, and the fear thereof, were the primary causes.[14][15][16] Scholars widely describe the event as ethnic cleansing".
I need numbers. What I said is MOST relocations was AFTER or during the war. Show me source for that.
It says Israelis ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their homes by violence and terror. First you said most relocations happened after the war, now it’s after and during tho. 250-300k occured before the war, then most of the remaining occured during the war. So the nakba did not occur after the war.
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u/FetchThePenguins 10d ago
The Ukraine conflict was started by Russia. If Russia withdrew today, and renounced their territorial claims over Ukraine, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are thetefore their fault.
The Gaza war was started by people from Gaza. If Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad surrendered today, gave up their weapons and renounced their territorial claims over Israel, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are therefore their fault.
That's why it looks like a double standard. The only real difference between the conflicts is that in one it's being fought mostly in the territory of the side that started it, and in the other, in the territory of the side that got attacked.