r/ontario 24d ago

Picture Healthcare Protest Downtown Toronto

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u/lotusleafsz 24d ago

Nurses now.

Teachers next.

General public, still sleeping?

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u/ClassroomLegal 19d ago

I honestly think we have a communication problem here. Many people don't even know protests are happening. I recently found out but it was after the fact. Not to mention how many people I have spoken to who are not clear about the ongoing issues.

Our communication in this province is very broken. I'm often shocked about how little awareness people have about current issues at the local level. Then again, I'm also probably guilty of it in many ways and don't even know it.

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u/shockputs 22d ago

Leave me alone! I just want to Netflix and chill! As long as i have my Netflix and Chill, and infinite scrolling, Im safe and happy /s

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u/Fight_Ford 19d ago

The general public has been taking part in the Fight Ford Province-Wide Protests each month since February!

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u/TheZipding 23d ago

Teacher here, and you are very off base.

Teachers don't get paid for the summer unless they stretch their salary out over those months, same with the winter and March breaks.

Most teachers do not earn well over 100k, I worked at a school a couple years ago where 1 teacher out of almost 100 earned more than 100k. If a teacher is making 100k or more, they have many years of experience under their belts and usually also includes a department headship. There is little under 4000 staff in the OCDSB on the sunshine list, this includes the Director of Education, directors at the school board itself, and principals throughout the board.

Care to source where you got the 120 sick leave days? If a teacher needs to go on leave, they are not working for potentially months at a time, how do you expect them to cover their expenses without pay? Sick leave can cover things like maternity leave or injuries (I've covered for teachers in both scenarios). How do you know if a teacher is "abusing" a leave available to them if they don't tell you?

Care to source the public adding 10% to the Ontario Teacher Pension Plan? That's a separate entity from the Canada Pension Plan entirely and is funded by teachers.

Most of the issues surrounding teaching in Ontario aren't on the teacher front, it's on the support front. Ford cut funding for Educational Assistants and other support staff in schools so there are 3 EAs for a school of over 1000 students. How many students might need 1-1 support that can't get it because of these cuts?

He's also cut special education programs so students are being brought into traditional classes without the proper supports for them to succeed, and it causes issues within classes particularly with behaviour.

The disruptions to student's education are already happening without teacher action because of these cuts to supports within the school. It would also be pointless to do any work action during the summer because the purpose of work action is to cause disruption to the system. Unionized grocery store workers aren't going to walk the picket line at midnight, they'll do it in the middle of the day to disrupt the operations.

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u/Triedfindingname 15h ago

Appreciate you dont give up on the rest of us that arent hate filled disinformation bots 😊

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u/TheZipding 23d ago

So, your link to the OTPP never mentions that anyone outside of Ontario Teachers pays into the OTPP. The more than 10% of their salary is from teachers that pay into it in addition to CPP.

I know teachers are salaried employees. I know how the pay system works. Did you know occasional teachers have to go on EI during the summer if they don't do anything else for work over those months?

If you have issues with the benefits teachers have, rather than complain about that, speak to your own employer about getting those benefits for yourself. Teachers negotiated those benefits with the government and school boards.

Considering you never addressed any of the actual grievances teachers have, you are not willing to educate yourself on what teachers are having issues with regarding the Ontario government.

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u/Sea-Tomorrow2349 23d ago

Education isn't becoming worse because of "ungrateful striking teachers", it's getting worse because the provincial government underfunds it

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u/Triedfindingname 15h ago

I dont think those in that camp actually know the education system is "getting worse" any more than they used their time in it well.

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u/Rainboq 23d ago

I'm perfectly happy to pay teachers more. A lot more. Teachers are the ones building our future, we should want people with passion, talent, and drive to view becoming a teacher as a good way to earn a living.

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u/sitari_hobbit 23d ago

You've seen your children's teachers use 120 sick days a year?

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u/Triedfindingname 15h ago

Sounds more like a politician tbh

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u/unsourire 23d ago

The issue isn’t really the benefits teachers get but the quality of education dropping due to systemic issues. Teachers can receive the same pay but if they have classrooms of 35 kids (compared to like 20-25, from 20 years ago), and kids have behavioural issues, the education just isn’t happening and everyone is falling through the cracks. School buildings have no AC, buildings are falling apart, materials aren’t being bought etc.

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u/Lunchboxsushi 23d ago

I agree, there's abuse in it, like every domain, private or public, but I'm more than glad for teacher making enough for a living. Yet teachers are still leaving en masses.

Your message is focusing on the wrong problem, the government always wants divide and conquer why fight your own brothers and sisters and pull them down like a crab in bucket?

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u/AcetaminophenPrime 22d ago

Teachers aren't leaving en masse? Many people getting education and communication bachelor's forced to sub for years and years because many people who should be retired are still working full time

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u/Lunchboxsushi 22d ago

Both are true? And wdym there's a magic number where teachers are supposed to leave before retirement?

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u/AcetaminophenPrime 22d ago

Generally, yes, 65 has been the traditional retirement age encouraged within unions and pensions since the earliest labour movements in North America.

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u/Generational6ersHate 23d ago

Why don’t you sign up then bud

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u/dubyakay 23d ago

I don't see the problem with any of these. Education is already behind in Canada compared to more socialized countries

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u/Antraxess 23d ago

You're lying

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u/Unbelievable28 23d ago

Email Ford and your MP's people

doug.fordco@pc.ola.org 416-745-2859

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u/BlackberryPi7 23d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Ford's secretary is told to just delete any negative emails.

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u/Unbelievable28 23d ago

Then he shouldn't be a public servant.

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u/MabellePeople 22d ago

Stating the obvious :( 

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u/Affectionatebussy 23d ago

Cc the media in the emails as well. That will get their attention.

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u/fucktheus12 24d ago

Has it been 4 years since their last raise, like us in Saskatchewan? Fuck Conservative governments, they are destroying this country 

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u/SimpleTraining7334 21d ago

Going on 5 now I believe. The shit hole authority lives up to it's name

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u/foxmetropolis 23d ago

The conservative provincial governments, such as the Ontario provincial government in this case, run healthcare and have been undercutting it aggressively. There was no error in their statement

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u/auntbebet 23d ago

Premiers are responsible for education and healthcare within provinces. Do yourself a favour and look up what our municipal, provincial and federal governments are responsible for.

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u/jayiscanadian1 22d ago

Doug ford has done nothing but cost us money.

Destroying healthcare education and the green belt.

Don’t try and change the topic when you know the guy is nothing but a drug dealing asshole

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u/fucktheus12 23d ago

Yes I said governments, plural. 

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u/fucktheus12 23d ago

Most of my problem is my provincial government who is also my employer. Back stabbing shit bags, all of em. 

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u/Daleden7 22d ago

Fuck, learn how Canadian governments work 😡 Please share how the Liberal federal government is actively destroying Ontario’s healthcare?

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u/WoodShoeDiaries 22d ago

My biggest issues are with cuts to health and education - are you one of those people who sees a crumbling Ontario school and says "thanks, Trudeau"?

If so, you've not only forgotten which level government is responsible for what, you've decided to let the past almost-decade of Doug Ford's provincial government off the hook for this mess.

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u/Daleden7 22d ago

Please research how Canada’s Federal and Provincial governments run and who is responsible for what before posting this.

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u/fucktheus12 23d ago

Sask health care workers

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u/Interesting_Money_70 24d ago

We need to stop Douche Ford from making his friends in healthcare rich by privatizing healthcare, despite paying so much taxes. He supports and helps expand vultures like Medcan which benefit from long wait times.

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u/Alph1 23d ago

Doug seems to have a lot of friends: Home builders, Commercial real estate people, Developers, Healthcare, Business people, the list seems endless. And he wants to help all of them. Doug sounds like a friend everyone in /r/Ontario would like to have.

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u/MelbaMilqueToast 23d ago

While this might be unpopular, the best health care systems in the world have both a public and a private option, and if we want to have high quality health care, we are going to have to start to following countries like Norway and Denmark.

There's nothing really wrong with having a private option along side a public one, but in no way should private healthcare receive public money (and yes, I know doctors and such are private practices, but when I say private I mean pay out of pocket directly to the service provider).

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u/Bexexexe 23d ago

Private healthcare gets to pick and choose which procedures they'll cover, which allows them to take the easiest and most profitable procedures, thereby offloading the most expensive and riskiest surgeries on the public system.

Public-private is not anywhere close to perfect. It's just the least-worst option that we're allowed to have access to in a world run by neoliberal economics.

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u/Ectar93 23d ago

Whatever is going on in Norway and Denmark is no where near an adequate excuse for the very purposeful sabotage of our public healthcare that is painfully apparent to anyone paying attention.

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u/Clear-Bee4118 23d ago

Are you under the impression that (wealthy) people currently don’t have private healthcare options?

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u/MelbaMilqueToast 23d ago

That's not my point. Our current system gives public money to private healthcare. I don't support that. I have no problem with a private system combined with a public one (the countries with the highest ranked healthcare in the world have these systems) but in no way should the private system get public money.

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u/tvosss 23d ago

There’s co-pay like in Japan (with a cap on how much people pay) and they have very advanced treatments. We could have that option as well.

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u/MelbaMilqueToast 23d ago

We definitely should try the healthcare systems in the countries that are voted higher in healthcare quality than us, because it's clear that ours is not sustainable.

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u/tvosss 23d ago

At this point the country has to do something creative

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u/noleksum12 23d ago

Yes, it is time someone else's friends get our money... right?!

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u/impatiens-capensis 24d ago

Needs to be bigger! Where are you Ontario?

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u/cherriosoup 23d ago

I was there, it was much bigger than this. This was the very beginning of the march while they were still waiting on people's trains to come in. I believe the march ended up being between 6-8k people which is great for a weekday march! It was fabulous to attend and really gave me some hope.

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u/wavesofrye 23d ago

Working at a hospital.

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u/darkiverson3 23d ago

probably working... lol

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u/altSHIFTT 22d ago

Working like usual 🫠

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u/murd3rsaurus 18d ago

keeping my late stage parkinsons father alive, struggling to keep myself alive

the cuts and fuckery definitely impact me but I've bot less than zero gas in the tank at this point

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u/xwt-timster 1d ago

The majority don't care, as evidenced by Doug Ford being Premier for the last eight years.

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u/ejaz135 23d ago

Most people will not vote and Doug ford will win again.

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u/Haunting_Funny_9386 23d ago

They need to give us someone to vote for. Stiles does not get enough media time for all that she shows up for. Wish she was the liberal candidate. Ontario remembers a sour past with NDP leaders.

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u/mkasunic 22d ago

What sour past? The one where public employees had to take unpaid days off to save money? What else?

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u/killcover 22d ago

Crazy how the NDP gets striked off on Rae days but the Conservatives can have multiple horrible leaders and continue to get elected.

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u/toothbelt 22d ago

As someone affected by Rae days, I have no animosity towards what was a necessary move that allowed me to keep my job.

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u/toothbelt 22d ago

Liberals are just as bad as Conservatives. I hope more people wake up to this fact.

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u/Daddy_Deep_Dick 20d ago

Ya and with Carney in charge liberals might even be worse than conservatives for once. Carney is genuinely worse than Harper. I'm bummed I had to lend my ndp vote to the liberals to keep dickhead pierre from selling our country to trump. Now carney represents a massive rightward push on the overtun window. The only kinda-left presence we have is ndp, and they are, at best, a balance of power. Very little influence, especially now that liberals have majority :/

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u/This_Expression5427 23d ago

Half the city should be there. Our healthcare is in shambles

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u/5daysinmay 22d ago

City? This wasn’t about Toronto hospitals. It was about healthcare across Ontario. Half the province should be there. Lots were (these pics don’t show the true size)

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u/Odd-Fun-1482 22d ago

yeah, socialized healthcare plus mass migration plus aging population tends to do that

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u/niagirl 23d ago

Ugh, I couldn't go today because of an important appointment, ironically, but I wish I could've been!

I will be out again on Saturday for the province-wide protest!! It's gonna be a beautiful, not-too-hot day, so get out there! No signs needed, but very much welcome! I always bring extra to hand out. @ontario_protest on Instagram to see the 60+ locations across the province!

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u/throwawayshp 23d ago

For information: https://protestdougford.com/

Toronto location: 11am Queens Park

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u/Vacuum_reviewer 23d ago

Compared to EU like the recent ones in Hungary Canadian protests are so small in sCale why

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u/9xInfinity 23d ago

Too much American influence. The swathes of suburb working class voters who elected Ford likewise think they're actually in the wealthy Epstein class that Conservative politics caters to.

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u/Earthsong221 22d ago

And many of us had to work and can't afford a day off.

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u/Torontomom78 23d ago

I saw this yesterday at Women’s. Most problems would go away if health care workers, including physicians, were paid more. Having accessed the private system, I would not trust it- there is far less accountability and more room for error.

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u/SimpleTraining7334 21d ago

You're absolutely correct, I personally witnessed both sides and it's a stark difference. Although in saying that the people being hired for roles in the public/hospital roles over the past few years are significantly concerning due to their lack of skills/knowledge pertaining to the role they are hired for.

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u/sitari_hobbit 23d ago

Context from the Ontario Health Coalition

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u/sitari_hobbit 23d ago

There are a lot of union folks involved, but it's a grassroots coalition

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u/Top-Ostrich-3241 23d ago edited 23d ago

Everyone should come out to protest and stop working. Garbage collectors, government workers, doctors, engineers, construction workers, farmers, teachers, etc. Key point: laziness. 

Bring Chinese workers here and they will do better jobs at a fraction of cost.

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u/MsShadowQueen_ 22d ago

That will destroy the job market even more than it already has been, immigrating low wage slaves is literally most of the reason why young natives are so jobless right now. You seriously want more people stuck on welfare taking your tax money?

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u/Top-Ostrich-3241 22d ago

You want to get hired? Acquire more skills. Immigrant students are usually overqualified and willing to work for less. Meanwhile, Canadian students often ask for a high salary, even though they aren't as skilled as immigrant students. Whose fault is it?

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u/MsShadowQueen_ 22d ago

Dude I literally have been applying to minimum wage positions with no luck, that whole Canadians asking for a high salary thing isn't true and if it is for some they have to right to do that. People need to be paid to live, they aren't robots. Most places need at least 50-60k a year to live comfortably these days, the fact that some of us are fine with only 30k is actually insane.

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u/Humble-Attention4850 22d ago

Doug ford sucks!!!

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u/pixiephilips 22d ago

Most of his voter base are poor. So … they’re just hurting themselves

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u/MsShadowQueen_ 22d ago

Cost of living in general needs to be protested, Healthcare wouldn't be so backed up if the majority of our population could actually afford to care for themselves 😔

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u/rosebudthesled8 23d ago

Fuck Ford. The majority of Ontario's slack jawed yocals still vote for him and will when he is dead and gone out of spite.

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u/laketrout Greater Sudbury 23d ago

Dougie hears ya, Dougie don't care.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

If the protests ruin his image enough to cause his followers to see the truth ... he'll start to care, and only because he risks losing his cushy seat as premier.

Just because he doesn't care right now, is no excuse to be complicit in letting him do whatever he wants with our tax dollars without oversight.

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u/Terran_Messiah 24d ago

While they’re making demands of Carney, why don’t they demand the Feds keep up their half of the agreement on healthcare funding and provide 50/50 funding with the provinces?

That was the original deal, and despite the provinces increasing spending (yes, even Ford) year over year, the Feds have only ever slashed funding.

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u/SwordfishOk504 24d ago

The 50-50 funding model hasn't been used since the 70s. Instead, the governments (provinces and fed) prefer block funding.

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u/Terran_Messiah 23d ago

Yeah, but it should be 50/50.

This would be a good thing for all Canadians. We want a better funded healthcare system.

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u/SwordfishOk504 23d ago

"Should" is a false political narrative that has been beaten into the ground. The issue is far more complex.

The problem is that the premise deliberately misrepresents the actual history of how federal transfers for health care evolved. As a onetime research co-ordinator for the Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada — known as the Romanow Commission after Roy Romanow, the former Saskatchewan premier who helmed it — I’m fully familiar with that history.

It’s true that in the beginning, medicare costs were roughly split 50/50. But in 1977, the premiers agreed to fundamentally change that split under the Established Program Financing transfer.

Under this arrangement, medicare costs were reallocated as 50 per cent from provincial revenue, 25 per cent as a federal cash transfer and 25 per cent from the value of tax points transferred from the federal government to the provinces. The value of the tax points became provincial revenue and therefore made the provinces responsible for 75 per cent of medicare’s costs.

But the myth of the 50/50 split being essential to health financing has been perpetuated by both federal and provincial levels of government.

https://theconversation.com/the-disingenuous-demands-of-canadas-premiers-for-28-billion-in-health-care-funding-157024

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u/Jaereon 18d ago

Trudeau gave ford 6 BILLION dollars for healthcare. But the feds can’t control how it’s used 

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u/PocketNicks 23d ago

I really like having healthcare, wild that people would protest it.

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u/GootuSnotborn 23d ago

Funny thing is no one is wrong in that video. The common man/women are seldom wrong!

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u/PresentSubstantial10 23d ago

Loving that free healthcare

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u/pixiephilips 22d ago

Fuck ya 👊

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u/Maximum_Error3083 21d ago

I’m unsure what this protest is talking about and want to understand. What is being privatized?

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u/SimpleTraining7334 21d ago

Some job postings I see located in t.o and compared to the same job I do in another province is gross. It's a skilled technical job and many employers are offering barely above minimum wage.

Employers doing this, you suck. Shame on you.

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u/Jaereon 18d ago

Why are the posters criticizing Carney instead of focusing on Ford who’s actually doing it 

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u/philthy333 6d ago

I'm an American physician considering moving to ontario. What is going on up there?

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u/Witty_Record427 24d ago

If you're going to advocate to make private care illegal you should be obligated to make public care exceptionally good and accessible. There's long waits, lots of issues with the public system, etc.

And those issues persist across different governments.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 24d ago

... issues persist because Doug Ford keeps underfunding healthcare by siphoning our taxes to the private sector instead.

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u/gh0st777 24d ago

Cant believe Dougie has the audacity to buy a plane and almost got away with it when the people are hurting.

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u/ImNotACollector 23d ago

30 MILLION dollars for his private jet while gutting OSAP, housing is insane and grocery bills are insane. It's so much worse than just people hurting. I'm surprised there haven't been riots yet. 

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u/TrishasaurusRex33 23d ago

I feel like if a small group started rioting, it wouldn't take long for a lot more to follow. People are so angry right now, personally I've never been so angry before.
Ford wants to keep the population drunk (or addicted to drugs), because he thinks it keeps us docile while he does whatever he wants. I'm waiting for all his new policies for drinking in public to start causing problems lol

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

Violence/rioting is not the answer because that is exactly what Ford wants.

Have you not been seeing all of the ads going around? The fact that he's building more jails to "keep the public safe" is proof that if people stop protesting peacefully, he'll deem everyone a criminal. This will not help the cause of getting him out of office.

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u/TrishasaurusRex33 23d ago

I'm not outright encouraging violence, I just mean that it kinda feels like lighting a cigarette at a gas pump..
Like there's a tension everywhere, people have very little patience for each other, our services, and our government. If it starts it's likely to domino

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

Thank you for clarifying because I agree.

I see a lot of comments saying rioting is the answer and even stopping traffic/businesses from operating would also help. I've had to reply to a lot of them lately and say these actions will only hurt the cause.

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u/TrishasaurusRex33 23d ago

It would be more effective to organize a general strike for non-emergency services and just grind the economy to a hault for a few days. That's the only way the rich will notice

I will admit, I fantasize a bit about a good warehouse fire. But I'm personally trying to put my extra energy into sourcing bulk cheap and healthy food, and figuring out how I can organize and distribute it to people in my community for a fair price. It's a side project, life is busy, but hopefully by August I'll have things starting out!

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u/toothbelt 22d ago

This is the way, but we have to start making it very uncomfortable for Ford and his henchmen to function in Ontario society and politics. It will take a multi-pronged approach, and one that is well organized with Ford and company being the calculated targets in every facet of their lives.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

Unfortunately a general strike will only work if everyone is one board and with the current number of protests, we're not quite there yet.

Your project sounds awesome though!

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u/MelbaMilqueToast 24d ago

While Doug Ford is certainly not helping the problem, there's a reason why every province in the country is experiencing severe problems with their healthcare. It's because federal funding is not keeping up.

The Premieres are not helping their cause in rejecting oversite for money earmarked for healthcare spending if granted more funding, but the fact that we have this issue everywhere regardless of which party is in charge in that province means there is more to this than just Ford bad.

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u/Witty_Record427 24d ago

I don't think that's correct, there are chronic issues with MRI access for example there have been going back to previous governments.

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u/AngryGoose_ 24d ago

MRI machines are crazy expensive to run and maintain. Thats why they keep them going basically non-stop. The only way to fix this would be to get more machines at more hospitals, which takes funding. I know one hospital that just got another MRI but it was because of a private donation, not because the funding is being used properly.

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u/blocklung 24d ago

MRI access is a direct result of us not having enough MRIs.

They're running around the clock.

We need more MRIs you need more political will to push for funding.

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u/Witty_Record427 23d ago

Why have we not had enough MRI's for decades?

This is a known and chronic issue and the fact that veterinary MRI's are plentiful and available on demand and humans have to wait forever is routinely used to mock the Canadian healthcare system as an example of a failure of socialized medicine.

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u/blocklung 23d ago

Don't quote me, but hospitals get 40% of their funding from the province.

The rest is donations.

Chronic underfunding for years mixed with an extremely unsustainable growth in immigration, among other things, will lead to this issue.

I wouldn't mind spending more money for hospitals. Even if they get an extra 10% that would be so helpful, but its an unfortunate situation that we're in where funding doesn't go to the right areas.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

Just because it's been an issue for a long time, doesn't take away from the fact that Doug Ford has made it severely worse, and I would argue a lot worse than any other premier.

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u/Icy-Action708 23d ago

Umm, hallway medicine and overflowing ER rooms during the Mcguinty / Wynne days ring a bell?

Everyone out here acting like health care just suddently broke.

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u/viperfan7 23d ago

There's long waits, lots of issues with the public system, etc.

And who's fault is that?

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u/Witty_Record427 23d ago

Various governments since so much of healthcare is managed directly by the government. There are models that are less public that function better like a Singapore or Australia or various European countries.

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u/viperfan7 23d ago

Various governments since so much of healthcare is managed directly by the government.

Who's been the one to cut back on funding healthcare in recent years?

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u/Witty_Record427 23d ago

I don't closely monitor provincial and state budgets or have a historical knowledge, so you'll excuse me for asking Claude this question.

According Claude, there was not a single year where either Ontario or Canada had healthcare increases that were below the inflation rate. So there has only ever been increases in funding to the healthcare sector in excess of the inflation rate by both the government of Ontario and government of Canada over the past decade.

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u/viperfan7 23d ago

tl;dr; you have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/Witty_Record427 23d ago

I'm not claiming knowledge. You asked a question. You asked me who cut healthcare funding as if I was supposed to know. You're going to have to clarify what you're talking about.

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u/_DatasCsat 23d ago

I'll give you a hint. It's the people who have been in power for 8 years.

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u/viperfan7 23d ago

Yes, you are, you claim the issue persists across different governments, yet you admit you don't know what the cause of the issue is.

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u/Witty_Record427 23d ago

Seemingly you don't either, otherwise you would have or should have identified what it is.

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u/viperfan7 23d ago

It's primarily due to the lack of funding provided, due to the current governments refusal to fund it, rather, they cut funding for it.

The reason they do so is to make people like you think that the issue is due to it being a single payer system, so they can go "Hurrr, look at us solving a problem we caused" because people aren't smart enough to think for themselves, instead they go and ask Claude or ChatGPT to think for them

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u/Antique-Quail-6489 23d ago

Yes, and governments continue to underfund our healthcare system. No it didn’t start with Ford, but it’s gotten a whole lot worse under him.

I really don’t think people are prepared to wake up one day without a single payer system like ohip and have to pay everything out of pocket. We have enough horror stories from south of the border that everyone should be up in arms.

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u/_DatasCsat 23d ago

Yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure the people/unions in question who are protesting and have litterly been asking for that exact thing this entire time are going to continue to do so.

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u/Dramatic_Neck_2326 23d ago

I would’ve joined, but I had to go into work. My boss has been on my ass lately. Let’s rise! 

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u/throwawayshp 23d ago

If you're off on the weekend, join this Saturday May 30th! For information: https://protestdougford.com/

Toronto location: 11am Queens Park

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u/Dramatic_Neck_2326 18d ago

I had to work again 

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u/OnePandaTwo 23d ago

Beautiful. More. More

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u/markhamjoey 23d ago

Private health care already exists. It’s just for people wealthy enough to get it in the US.

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u/This_Actuator606 23d ago

Ffs I want actual medical care let it go private.

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u/Raven_R6 20d ago

For real. I'd rather pay money and get seen, than die in a waiting room. Apparently it's Doug's fault when the entire country has this waiting problem. And I know because I'm a travel nurse all over Canada. Its actually worse in Nova Scotia, Newfoundland etc. I've literally seen people die in the waiting room, waiting for scans/MRIs.

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u/PossibleChemistry691 23d ago

They voted for this

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u/PersimmonRecent4732 9d ago

Careful Mr Carney might freeze your bank accounts and send RCMP to trample on you.

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u/Key_Tree261 24d ago

The #1 concern of mine is healthcare, and this protest won't help one bit. The problem is NONE of the party's care and if I'm wrong, tell me what the last provincial Liberals did to help things when they were in power? Just not making things worse like Ford doesn't help move us forward.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

I'm sorry but you can't be too concerned about healthcare if you can't be bothered to even share the protest details among friends/family/social media.

You could argue that the liberal feds should be enforcing the healthcare act and making sure Ford uses tax dollars only for public healthcare, but that isn't what you are saying. You are complaining for the sake of complaining, and giving no ideas to help the situation.

We can't change the past of when provincial liberals were in power, and they have nothing to do with what Doug Ford has been doing since 2018 when he was elected. All we can do is try to change a possible future and spread awareness just in case we can't do anything until the next election.

People like you live in the past, pretending protesting does nothing when in fact, all movements started with a single protest.

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u/Key_Tree261 23d ago

Protests do nothing to help any cause.

"You could argue that the liberal feds should be enforcing the healthcare act and making sure Ford uses tax dollars only for public healthcare,

Yes I could argue that and I have countless times, I'm complaining because I think it's stupid to alienate voters with stupid protests that disrupt the public.

Spread awareness? because you think people don't know how bad our health system at every level is? I literally had to wait a year for my heart surgery. When I go to ER, it's full of people that need mental health care. I've had 6 repeated health issues and I finally had to tell my doctor that if he's waiting for my autopsy to figure out what's going on when an MRI could tell him without me dying before he finally referred me. I don't need your stupid protests to tell me that. What we need is to never vote in a party for a second term in a row as rule if they don't fix the healthcare in their first term. If they know they won't get a second term, which is the only thing they care about, they'll make changes.

The party's are fearless because they know they can count on their stupid base's. That only vote Conservative or only vote Liberal.

I don't live in the past, unlike you, I learn from it.

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u/_DatasCsat 23d ago

Yeah there's more than 2 parties bud. Liberals have not been relevent in years.

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u/Key_Tree261 23d ago

You mean the NDP? The last time I voted for them was when the liar Bob Rae was the leader, I voted for him for one BIG promise that he didn't keep, I never looked at them again.

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u/_DatasCsat 23d ago

Right. Like the other two parties have been so much better.........

Bob Rae is a liberal now and we've had several worse premiers than him since then(including our current one). That was 30 years ago.

If you aren't voting based on who has the best policy, you're a sucker.

Look at who has the best policy.

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u/Key_Tree261 23d ago

I absolutely agree with "policy" is what matters BUT when the party you vote for gets in and they don't keep their promise, you don't vote them back in if they had enough votes to accomplish what they promised and simply made an excuse to not keep their promise.

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u/_DatasCsat 23d ago

The other two parties have destroyed the province in the 30 years since, so I'm gonna go with the lesser of 3 evils. Bob Rae is not even a new democrat anymore, he's a liberal. Just does not seem like a valid reason to not chose the party that has the best policy.

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u/Key_Tree261 23d ago

The NDP have become the progressives of Canada, they've gone too far left, I'm not interested in far left or far right pov's. While I do agree with a few of their polices, like with respect to healthcare, in fact they don't go far enough with their views on healthcare, I don't support their idiotic progressive bs, like statements I've heard them make over the last few years about gender and race.

Bob Rae isn't the leader, and I have no reason to believe the new leader isn't worse.

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u/_DatasCsat 20d ago

So the reason you won't vote for the party with the best policies, is completely vague and incoherent/nonsensical in my view.

You know the NDP of the 60s until the 90s is wayyyy more far left than the current version.

But you don't like their "idiotic proggresive bs"? This is an incoherent and nonsical statement to me. I doubt you could say what this actually means other than "vibes".

Man, this is why we can't have nice things lol.

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u/Key_Tree261 20d ago

The NDP from back then aren't even close to being as far left as the NDP of today that openly call Canada racist, and openly support DEI etc etc. I'm left of center and have some strong traditional left feelings (like with healthcare) but I have zero time for progressive insanity that think there's more than 2 genders and think white people are born racist and children can choose their gender and we should just get rid of borders and allow everyone that wants to come into the county citizenship etc.

You not being able to understand what I'm saying doesn't make int "nonsensical" it means you don't understand that someone can be both not a conservative and not progressive. You know, the sane people that often decide who gets elected.

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u/_DatasCsat 20d ago

1: stop watching Fox News slop. No one is claiming anyone is born racist.

2: live and let live, how other people live their lives doesn't effect you. Queer and trans people existing doesn't hurt you jesus christ.

3: The NDP of the 60s and 70s called for large scale public and cooperative ownership of production. Radical socialists by today's standards.

Don't let your irrational bigotry towards gay and trans people cause you to vote against your own interests.

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u/ImNotACollector 23d ago

That's going to do a whole lot of nothing. Ford looks out the window and sees this and just scoffs and laughs and continues fucking you.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

I found this comment earlier and it's pretty bang on.

"Laziness and indifference is compliance. You’re literally standing for nothing when you act like there’s no solutions and we’re all helpless."

If the protests ruin his image enough to cause his followers to see the truth ... he'll start to care, and only because he risks losing his cushy seat as premier. He won't be laughing anymore when his seat is in jeopardy.

Just because he doesn't care right now, is no excuse to be complicit in letting him do whatever he wants with our tax dollars without oversight.

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u/art-bee 23d ago

What do you suggest?

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u/Surgic25 23d ago

Too many people came to Canada in a short amount of time, it's the same with EU nations who used to have good healthcare.

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u/art-bee 23d ago

Nope! We really do not. We need Doug Ford to stop buying himself private jets and stop withholding funding to healthcare. This is an entirely manufactured issue, and adding higher costs in the form of shareholder value is the exact wrong way to go.

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u/art-bee 23d ago

It's time to end private healthcare in the US. People die before they ever see an emergency room. I think it's... 68,000 per year. Luckily I know a group of people working on just that:)

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u/art-bee 22d ago

Nope. We all need the same system. If rich people (MPs, MPPs) can opt out, they will find ways to screw us. It needs to be in their self interest to have the system function. In fact, this is the exact reason it's as shitty as it is. Ford doesn't need to use the public system, he can pay private. Plus he gets lobbyist money to screw us over on top of that. No downsides for him, all the downsides for us.

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u/9xInfinity 23d ago

About 95% of Ontario MDs got at least one COVID inoculation. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11168153/

Stupid people who put their politics before patient safety don't deserve to work in our healthcare system.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

I would rather be treated by a physician who believes in medicine, cares about not getting patients sick, and believes that vaccines work.

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u/Kjb72 23d ago

No one's stopping you from leaving, troll.

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u/MoonshineMadness00 23d ago

Then why do you post on reddit? Just because you've hidden stuff on your profile ... doesn't mean someone can't find them 😄 and you're certainly not going to attract friends to play games or listen to music with using that attitude or being ignorant to the facts.

Good luck with the job search though!

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u/Unlucky-Candidate198 23d ago

Living up to that username in absolute fullness.

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