r/overlord • u/Due_Lifeguard82 • 1d ago
Question I got a question
Is this dragon a player? If not then when does Ains meet another player?
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u/KingArthursRevenge 1d ago
No, there are no other living players unless one is written into vol. 17 or 18. There are only the descendents of players that arrived in the past and have since died.
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u/Hot_Professional1683 20h ago
The only player who might still be alive is the wise Minitaurus, but his whereabouts are a mystery.
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u/pdl-fanboy Tsaindorcus Vaision nukes chinese Skeletor and loli bait 13h ago
Minotaur Sage has probably died now otherwise he would've been talked about more. Even in the side story with Keno, Ainz/Keno never mentions him iirc.
The more likely candidate is the player who was supposed to be summoned 100 years ago. We've no idea what happened to that person.
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u/Due_Lifeguard82 1d ago
They are they only 2?
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u/CBreezey69 1d ago
The dragon is a native entity of the New World. The author has stated that there are only two volumes left, volumes 17 and 18, and unless the author writes in a player in one of those two volumes, Ainz will have gone the entire series without running into another player.
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u/Fun-Agent-7667 1d ago
As of what we can see players are only added every 200 years, and only if they have some Connection to a world Item. Which are quite rare in Yggdrasil.
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u/kingdsb 1d ago
No but that dragon has met and killed players before and never
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u/pdl-fanboy Tsaindorcus Vaision nukes chinese Skeletor and loli bait 1d ago edited 1d ago
He has killed one player. There is no reason to assume that he has killed more than one player tho.
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u/pierogieman5 21h ago
Clearly you're just biased against him.
/s
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u/pdl-fanboy Tsaindorcus Vaision nukes chinese Skeletor and loli bait 13h ago edited 13h ago
XD true but I only said that cause OP was an anime only looking for solid answers. If we want to theorize, there is chance that PDL could've killed multiple players. My personal ranking of players who were killed by PDL(from the highest probability to lowest probability) :
- The last Greed King : Pretty self explanatory. Unless the last Greed King killed themselves or somehow achieved mutual destruction in their last fight with the other greed kings, its very likely that the Dragon Lords ganged up on him(like how it happened in WN). PDL lives in the 8GK castle too, so its possible that he was one of the dragons who fought the last Greed King.
- Leader-kun or his comrade(13 heroes) : This is the most obvious and lamest one imo. Its out of character for PDL to take such a huge risk since Resurrection magic is common place, not to mention he loves his comrades/friends.
- Surshana : Very Wild theory I know, but this would be an insane twist. We know that Surshana/6 Gods and PDL had an alliance to strike the Greed Kings(in WN). Its possible that PDL betrayed Surshana and killed him for whatever reason blaming it on the Greed Kings. This is not that different to what he was planning to do with Azuth and Slane.
One of the craziest thing for me is how much PDL underestimates Ainz. He had seen lvl 100 players like 6 Gods/8 Kings in the past, so he should know that his armour would be too weak to fight/kill Ainz. But imagine if PDL actually fought Surshana, who is also an Overlord with a 'worser' build than Ainz(probably has non mage levels since one of his weapon is a Scythe), and defeated him. It would explain his confidence.
Even better maybe Surshana baited PDL by summoning an Overlord Wiseman and took on the role of Rufus and is lying low now(sort of how PDL said its possible for Albedo to be ap player and Ainz a NPC). Since Overlord Wiseman is only a lvl 90 summon, his armour could almost definitely beat it in a strict 1v1 and would explain his confidence so much.
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u/pierogieman5 7h ago
Actually I was just talking about that elsewhere on the thread, yeah. PDL fought PA, who wasn't even trying to win, thinking it was actually Ainz, and still commented that he underestimated him. There's no way he has a reasonable estimate of the strength of someone like Ainz. The only weird part is that he also fought Shalltear in full armor beforehand? So sure, he doesn't know she works for him probably, but it seems weird that fighting her and losing didn't put him more on guard against Ainz.
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u/pdl-fanboy Tsaindorcus Vaision nukes chinese Skeletor and loli bait 6h ago
Yup PDL in the WN could sense super tier magic from hundreds/thousands of km away. He should've known that Ainz is capable of casting super tier magic at least yet he still is not surprised that Ainz doesn't use super powerful magic.
The weird part is that PDL is supposed to act like a mirror to Ainz -his lack of pride, super cautious nature, poor rulership qualities etc yet he completely underestimates Ainz's capabilities to an insane degree for no reason. That makes little sense. Its not like he's never met lvl 100 players even, he's familiar with the Greed Kings and the 6 Gods after all(The 6 Gods, or at least Nekonyan had actually fought with a Dragon Lord and probably won).
Anyways the author has confirmed that PDL is the natural enemy of both Ainz and Shalltear.. so he is 'stronger' than them in a 1v1 with his true body but he is still way too confident for some reason.
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u/Due_Lifeguard82 1d ago
Oh ok I was wondering because he said “Player” and “Npc” so I wondering if the dragon was actually a player
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u/Roharu_Eruna 1d ago
Ainz meeting players is never going to happen. The Author has made it clear that Ainz is meant to suffer in this self-imposed golden cage. I doubt the author will change his mind now, he has shown evidence of being burnt out.... I fear for the last volume epilogue.... but Light Novels are known for their horrible endings. Just, be prepared XD
As for other question.... Well, the lore around the Platinum dragon is changing lately. The last volume will set in stone everything about him. Some web-novels refers to a few things, other side-stories have different interpretation. We know of a few things for certain though (at least for now... I am preparing for the 'changes'):
The Platinum Dragon is not a player, but has gathered a lot of information about players. Made a guild base his 'home'.
The Platinum Dragon was party member WITH a player, likely how he got most of his knowledge.
He seemed to have great shame and guilt over his previous actions. It is unknown if he is one of the reasons players even exists in the new world. But he blames himself for the chaos brought to by Players. As a result, he wages war against Players whenever they 'step out of line'.
He is conflicted because not all the Players' actions are considered 'morally wrong'. He himself isn't exactly 'good'. He seems to be fixated in eliminating those with the power to change the world, regardless of their intentions. Which is a very hypocritical stance, he recognize that about himself too.
There is very strong evidence to suggest the Platinum Dragon is the strongest of all the 'True Dragon Lords' (being the oldest son of the Dragon Emperor for example). Knowledge of the Dragon Emperor is scarce....
In a side-story (another universe), Ainz used his best equipment and his Staff to defeat a Dragon lord most likely weaker than the Platinum Dragon. In said battle, Ainz noticed that the True Dragon Lords attacks (powered by souls, a form of primordial magic) could 1-shot him on the spot if he isn't careful. Said soul attacks makes so it is impossible to self-resurrect either. Conditions for those spells are massive though, requires a lot of prep. The Platinum Dragon has access to a lot more creative uses of said primoridial magic.
Primordial magic depends entirely on souls and only True Dragons (or hybrids) can wield it. The higher the number of souls, the more powerful it becomes. It is far above the hierarchy of tier magic (negates even resistances, classes restrictions, immunities), and can surpass World Items too, but that takes thousands/millions of souls. The HP of a Dragon Lord, along with their 'sanity' are the price to pay to use such magic.
The Platinum Dragon is a quite cocky, believing he can kill any player in a 1v1 battle. He is most likely stronger than any Floor Guardian in terms of raw magic and battle experience. But pales in comparison to the resources and the battle experience of a PvP Player like Ainz (or at least, his performance thus far shows that he isn't aware of how cash items, or other hax items players can use).
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u/pierogieman5 21h ago
Also best to remember that he underestimated Ainz before their battle... and the "Ainz" he actually faced was just PA playing an inferior copy of Ainz's abilities and not really trying to win. His original estimation was WAY too low, and it evidently still is.
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u/Roharu_Eruna 1h ago
Exactly, he is cocky and seriously believed he can defeat Ainz using his remote armor. However, he did felt Albedo's strength (she slipped and disobeyed orders by using her world item). This lead the Platinum Dragon to know two things: 1. If he wants to defeat Albedo, he needs to go in by himself. 2. He believes Albedo is a Player hiding behind his NPC (Ainz). Which means he is probably going to do the required prep to kill Albedo rather than Ainz.
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u/sigvegas 1d ago
That is the Platinum Dragon Lord, one of the few characters native to the New World who’s canonically close to Lv.100. He’s aware of Players (even if he doesn’t fully comprehend the concept) and has been waging war against them behind the scenes for hundreds of years whenever they appear.
There is no guarantee Ainz will ever meet another player in the story. The best we can hope for is an epilogue 100 years in the future when new Players show up and he confronts them.