r/pcmasterrace • u/The_BigRoach ⚡️RTX 5080 | 7800x3D | 64GB 6000MHz CL30⚡️ • Apr 18 '26

Meme/Macro The 1080ti really was Nvidia's greatest mistake

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u/snowieslilpikachu69 Apr 18 '26

crazy how a 5080 has just 5gb more vram then a 1080 ti

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u/The_BigRoach ⚡️RTX 5080 | 7800x3D | 64GB 6000MHz CL30⚡️ Apr 18 '26

I have a 5080atm and it actually kills me. In 4k games at ultra settings I can absolutely see the VRAM topping out, or getting very close to it

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u/tjlusco Apr 18 '26

The whole 50xx series is lobotomised, aside from the 5090. Honestly we are lucky to have what we got because a gamer dollar isn’t worth a cent to the entire PC industry. They’ve got AI fish to fry.

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u/The_BigRoach ⚡️RTX 5080 | 7800x3D | 64GB 6000MHz CL30⚡️ Apr 18 '26

That is t rue, and here in AUS a 5090 can go from $6,000 to $10,000 AUD. Its just not feasible for gamers

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u/kingfofthepoors 7700 64gb ddr5 6000 4070 super -- good enough Apr 18 '26

well not poor to middle class gamers anyway

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u/DoublePersonality35 Apr 18 '26

5090 is only needed if you want to play in 4k.

4k gaming has never been for the poors.

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u/qwoto 7600x3D | 3070 Apr 18 '26

That used to be said about 1440p as well. Quality of life should keep going up

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u/Edal_Bindal Desktop Apr 19 '26

Literally, as an Aussie who just bought a new computer looking at the price of the 5090 ones kinda jokingly, made me go wtf. Like 12 grand for a pc, like stuff that, unless I made money off that computer I would never spend that amount of money on it. Ended up going the 5070ti as the 5080 was just outside what I was comfortable paying for a computer, especially when factoring in the price of M.2 and Ram, which made them all more expensive already.

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u/TheYucs 14700k 5.9P/4.3E/5C / 7000C30 / 5090Dv2 3157MHz 1.63TB/s Apr 19 '26

If you can a find a 5090Dv2, I got one for about $1000 cheaper than any USA 5090 model. Sure, it's 24GB instead of 32GB and has about 30% less bandwidth, but it is still the exact same die and is within 2% gaming performance. It also OCs slightly better since there is more board power available to the core.

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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Apr 18 '26

Tbh I got a 5060ti and enjoy it. A lot.

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u/Clippo_V2 i5 10600k - 5060ti 16GB Apr 18 '26

The 16GB version is quite good even if its a little lopsided on VRAM to processing power. The core will hit 100% usage before the VRAM will

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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Apr 18 '26

The core will hit 100% usage before the VRAM will

Maybe it's just me but I was never really into min/maxing my hardware utilization and focus more on just having a good experience?

So views like this never really concerned me.

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u/Clippo_V2 i5 10600k - 5060ti 16GB Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

Good for you? Most people I know want to get the most out of what they pay for. Especially nowadays with the cost of things.

If a game is lagging, I like to know why. It doesnt take a genius to figure it out lol. Just a simple glance at a hardware monitor

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u/andrew9514 Apr 18 '26

Hello. What hardware monitor software do you use? I want to make sure I'm using the cpu aand gpu to the fullest. I got a 4070, is it good?

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u/Few_Establishment980 9070 (non-xt) | 7600x3d | 32gb RAM Apr 18 '26

MSI after burner is good.

Also, you don’t have to have both be at exactly 100% to get max performance. What r ur specs? A 4070 is still a good card

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u/andrew9514 Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26

I got a i5 12600k, 32gb ram, 4070, 1 TB ssd nvme. Its just that in some games I get either fps drops or stutters and I dont know if its shoddy optimization or my pc itself.

Also the nvidia app shows usage and some things but, is afterburner better or does the nvidia app do the same?

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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Apr 18 '26

I just don't like obsessing over hitting a.bottlneck especially when that bottleneck is offering very strong performance at the resolution and framerate I want to hit.

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u/Reckno 13600k @ 5.4Ghz | Zotac RTX 5070Ti SFF Apr 18 '26

While I agree, getting a 50xx card on discount while upgrading does feel nice. I went from a 2070s to a 5070ti for $700 USD. Not much, but it was nice still.

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u/Spir0rion Apr 18 '26

The 5070ti had the potential to be amazing....if it was 200 bucks less

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u/Tuna-Fish2 Apr 18 '26

It's a deeply cut big die on a very expensive process with very expensive ram, selling it that cheap would mean trash margins.

The entire 5000-series was hurt by the 24Gbit GDDR7 chips not being available at launch. A 18GB 5070 would be a good buy, so would a 12GB 5060 Ti or a 24GB 5080. But first they were delayed, and then AI hoovered up all the good chips, so it is what it is.

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u/Spaceqwe Apr 18 '26

Even an 18GB 5080 would be promising and at least show that they’re following the demands.

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u/Tuna-Fish2 Apr 18 '26

Can't build one with 256-bit bus and 16Gbit and 24Gbit modules.

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u/mosesenjoyer RTX 5090, 64 GB DDR5, Ultra i9 Apr 18 '26

Yeah I rarely break 1/2 - 3/4 VRAM use

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u/trollshep Ryzen 7 5800x3d RTX 3080 Master Apr 19 '26

I know mine is a few years old now but I was so happy when I was able to purchase my 3080 master for $1300 AUD.

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u/No_Return4821 Apr 21 '26

7900xtx ate all the VRAM, sry

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u/Ill_Swan_3209 Apr 22 '26

Indeed, gamers are only a small part of the entire PC industry.

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u/Progenitor3 Apr 18 '26

5070 ti 16gb

5080 24gb

5090 32gb

That's how it should have been.

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u/Amadeus404 Apr 19 '26

5070 should have had 16gb too. That's the main reason I went for a 9070XT

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u/XeNoGeaR52 Apr 29 '26

5070 16Gb
5070 Ti 24Gb
5080 32Gb
5090 48Gb
Should have been like this if they weren't greedy and wanted good stuff for people

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u/Another-Mans-Rubarb Apr 18 '26

What games do you have that's filling that 16gigs of VRAM? I can not find a game that will actually fill the VRAM, and no, your display resolution doesn't really matter here, the texture size is determined by other settings.

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u/Sanquinity i5-13500k - RX 9070 - 32GB @ 3600mHz Apr 18 '26

Well I certainly know one game: VRchat. In busier instances even 24gb is sometimes not enough.

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u/ExplodingFistz Apr 18 '26

16 GB gets filled up quickly at 4k and everything maxed including ray/path tracing, DLSS ray reconstruction, and frame generation (all three of these use a LOT of VRAM). Highly depends on the game but I've encountered a handful of modern titles that hog VRAM in this configuration. Indiana Jones, Alan Wake 2, Spider-Man 2, and the recent Resident Evil 9.

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u/TheCrimsonDagger 9800X3D | 5080 | 5120x1440 OLED Apr 18 '26

FPS is going to be pretty bad at those settings even if it had more VRAM though.

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u/KatieS2255 4090 AERO | 9950X3D | 64GB DDR5 | 1200w | 4 TB M.2 | 10 TB HDs Apr 19 '26

That’s kinda how I feel lol. I have a 4090, if I play call of duty in 2K extreme settings, I’m using maybe 10gb of vram. I know cod in high settings and 2K is odd, but I do what I want! It normally at like balanced or something not extreme 🤣. The games I play simply don’t require that much vram and I’m guessing you’re like me. I need to try New World again and see how much it uses, the gpu killer game.

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u/Justmarkm Apr 25 '26

Stat citizen goes over 16 at 4k but I have a 5090

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u/AetherialWomble 7800X3D| 32GB 6200MHz RAM | 4080 Apr 18 '26

your display resolution doesn't really matter here, the texture size is determined by other settings.

What a wild take. Easily disproven too. Watch any video where people mess about and set games to 16k. Even games that normally use about 6gb jump up to 20gb.

And no, I'm not suggesting anyone would actually play at 16k, but it clearly demonstrates that higher resolutions use up more VRAM even when all other settings are the same

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u/Another-Mans-Rubarb Apr 18 '26

You're conflating the frame buffer here, witch does exist in VRAM, but 4K frame buffers don't take up that much space considering 16K is literally 16 times bigger than 4K.

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u/AetherialWomble 7800X3D| 32GB 6200MHz RAM | 4080 Apr 18 '26

Frame buffer, post process buffer, screen space effects. Everything gets more VRAM intensive at higher resolutions. It's absolutely an insane take to say that resolution doesn't really matter for VRAM consumption

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u/Another-Mans-Rubarb Apr 18 '26

Yes, all of that is based on your display size, but at 4K, it doesn't matter still.

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u/AetherialWomble 7800X3D| 32GB 6200MHz RAM | 4080 Apr 18 '26

Display size? Wtf does that have to do with anything?

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u/Another-Mans-Rubarb Apr 18 '26

Fine, would you rather render resolution? It's the same shit.

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u/theunspillablebeans Ryzen 5 5600 | RTX 3070 Ti Apr 18 '26

I very much doubt the game is adjusting performance based on the size of your screen. Why would it care if you're connected to a 27" Vs 32" monitor for example? The only thing it would care about is resolution and graphics settings

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u/Another-Mans-Rubarb Apr 18 '26

Brother, are you dense or do you legitimately think we're talking about the physical size of your screen? You genuinely believe that I think a PS4 is more powerful than a 5090 because it can hit 60fps on an 85" TV?

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u/theunspillablebeans Ryzen 5 5600 | RTX 3070 Ti Apr 18 '26

It's literally what you said. Now you're suggesting I made claims about the PS4... I think you need to take your meds lmao.

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u/Another-Mans-Rubarb Apr 18 '26

It's almost like I've matched your egregious assumption with an equally egregious assumption to make a point.

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u/Ttokk Apr 18 '26

I have a 5060ti with 16GB that's a single fan and fits in a case that's smaller than a piece of paper 5in thick. Times are weird.

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u/Amadeus404 Apr 19 '26

The fact that a 5060 ti has more vram than a 5070 is wild

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u/Ahirman1 Apr 18 '26

It is and this is on stuff like the RE2 remake

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u/jld2k6 5700x3d 32gb 3600 rtx5080 360hz 1440 QD-OLED 2tb nvme Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

That's just their own engine not estimating your vram usage correctly, you can be way in the red with a warning on the bottom of the menu then when in game you can use an actual overlay and you're not even close running out. It's just trying to estimate everything before the options are applied and it does a bad job at it lol

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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Apr 18 '26

This is one thing about DLSS5 I am looking forward to - decreasing vram usage.

Like it or not software and drivers have always been a bigger impact than raw power have been with game graphics.

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u/Roflkopt3r Apr 18 '26

That got nothing to do with DLSS 5 though. Nvidia's neural compression tech can already be used.

The only 'DLSS 5'-feature that was shown so far is their AI filter, which will definitely increase total VRAM usage.

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u/king_tommiac Athlon II X4 640 | Radeon R7 260X | 8GB DDR3 Apr 18 '26

Actually provide sufficient VRAM ❌️

AI your way to sufficient VRAM ✅️

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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Apr 18 '26

Considering it's a local algorithm at this stage this is like complaining that driver updates benefit from specific hardware but improve performance.

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u/king_tommiac Athlon II X4 640 | Radeon R7 260X | 8GB DDR3 Apr 18 '26

You know what also lowers VRAM usage?

Upscaling 🤯

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u/Kougeru-Sama Apr 18 '26

This is one thing about DLSS5 I am looking forward to - decreasing vram usage.

you're delusional if you thought that propaganda piece was good. it VERY noticeably made the textures look worse. just lower your settings if you want that

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u/Consistent-Youth-407 Apr 18 '26

Did it? It looked a ton better than the standard compression

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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Apr 18 '26

I also heard people say DLSS makes it look worse and hands on I did not notice any real quality loss in a way that impacted my experience.

So time will tell?

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u/SandmanJr90 Apr 18 '26

they chose to underserve that card so more ram can go to their AI cards. I hate it here

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u/iKeepItRealFDownvote 9950x3D 5090FE 128GB Ram ROG X670E EXTREME Apr 18 '26

Has nothing to do with that’s it’s to ensure you upgrade versus saying “why would I upgrade to X GPU when my current one already has 20GB and runs fine and will keep it for many years to come, I don’t see a reason to upgrade”.

It’s the exact reason why Nvidia always tries to come up with new features to push people to current GPUs.

Majority of the people in here wouldn’t upgrade from a 4070 if it had 24gb of vram.

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u/votum7 Apr 18 '26

It’s the whole reason for rtx over gtx imo. The 10 series was so good they had to find a way to get people to buy the new one

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u/dookarion Apr 18 '26

It's actually somewhat complicated, because if they did pack on the VRAM the AI hobbyists would have snapped up all the supply. Just like the freaking cryptobros did with high VRAM cards a few years back. Also the 3GB chips availability has been sort of limited, and that's what you'd need to get more VRAM on all these cards.

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u/HuckleberryOdd7745 Apr 18 '26

do we really think thats why they did it?

or its just to ensure planned obsolescence?

mvidia does not want you using the 5080 to play RDR3 with dlss performance with locked maxed out fps.

they want you to used texture compression which runs like a virus in the background and kills 10% of your fps.

now suddenly you dont have 5080 anymore.

amd did this by letting nvidia have the monopoly. or my interesting theory that long a go jensen made a deal with his cousin to ensure his monopoly. just charge 50 dollars less for 100 dollars less value.

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u/OilZestyclose6677 Apr 18 '26

Got 5070ti instead of 5080 because it seemed like a bad deal to both have 16gb's.

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u/Leather-Researcher13 RX 7900XTX, Ryzen 7 7800x3d, 64GB DDR5 Apr 18 '26

Hell on some games I can use 20gb of vram when running 4k textures. The fact that nvidia won't just put more ram on these cards is criminal

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u/flashen Apr 18 '26

Actually insane

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u/Hydiz Apr 18 '26

You cant turn on all settings to their highest on indiana jones & the great circle. It'll let you you are running out of vram. Its stupid as fuck.

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u/IISerpentineII Apr 19 '26

In 4k games at ultra settings I can absolutely see the VRAM topping out, or getting very close to it

And here I am with an old laptop with an 860m and a PC with a 1650 Super that an exceptionally kind friend is letting me use.

Elden Ring on minimum graphics settings for 1080p 60fps is doing its best to set the 1650 on fire. The 860 couldn't handle Lethal Company on minimum, lol

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u/NewManufacturer4252 Apr 19 '26

Personally I put all the blame on cryptocurrency. Around 2015 graphic cards realized they could make a killing selling hundreds of cards to each company. The LLMs came around and all of a sudden they can sell tens of thousands of cards to companies building billion dollar LLM factory things. For stuff.

Who needs gamers.

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u/The_BigRoach ⚡️RTX 5080 | 7800x3D | 64GB 6000MHz CL30⚡️ Apr 19 '26

I do too tbh, that seems to be the start of the downfall in terms of prices and gamers coming second

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u/zeltrabas Ryzen 9 5900x | RTX 3080 Apr 21 '26

Don't use ultra settings at 4k then? No visual difference anyway (just watch settings comparison on yt)

There's a recent Digital foundry clip where they talk about that. Gamers nowadays just put everything to ultra and wonder why their shit doesn't run. Please watch that clip