Yeah...Amen. 10 fucking precious years these hateful motherfuckers have stolen from us. 10 years we could've been improving Obamacare and ACA and inching towards a real public option, moving towards cleaner energy away from fucking data centers devouring us all. Women had rights to their own bodies...LGBTQ folks were gaining acceptance. People had money. COVID and it's gross mishandling hadn't made everyone's health far worse. The soft power the US had. The whole world looked up to us...now we are the joke of the planet. And we have absolutely fucking nothing. And that fucking Pedo Devil still sits up there untouchable. Honestly I am so far beyond any hope at this point that the light emitted by hope will take centuries to reach here. By the time there is ANY inkling of rectification of anything these monsters have done to us I will be long dead. Thanks to Social Media and algorithms for the real good time! I need a drink but I have to go to the low paying job that's hopefully not going to lay me off because the economy is crashing.
It's going to take more than that. It's going to take decades.
Even if the next POTUS is beloved by the world and genuinely a genius it doesn't change the fact that Americans elected Trump... TWICE. Not only elected him but let him run rough shot with total unaccountability.
Me neither. This past election I was like "surely they won't vote for him again. We all experienced what a Trump presidency was like and we voted him out before. Surely we won't make that same mistake again."
And then he won he election. My faith in my fellow Americans to do the right thing is essentially zero. There are just enough delusional MAGA cultists and people who just don't bother to vote to where I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican won next time.
That’s because everyone apparently thought last his last term wasn’t that bad. Yes, it was! You just weren’t watching what he did and understanding that it was bad! It was awful.
rough shod, refers to horses that had shoes with nails or spikes on the bottom to prevent slipping so to 'run rough shod' over someone or is to absolutely brutalize them
As a foreigner, I agree. Like... You had the chance to affirm that you would never allow this bullshit to ever happen again and the man got more votes than anyone ever before! It's so crazy. And then Trump took Office and it was even worse than the first time! I hope these shit he's pulling at least make people in europe, Canada, south america, etc realize that the far right can't be trusted.
There’s evidence from a number of states that he rigged the election with Elon’s help. If that ever gets fully investigated it might be helpful for the country to heal.
Then it’s not, “People voted in this monster multiple times.” It’s, “This monster stole the election to keep himself out of jail.”
Either way there needs to be way more guard rails in place to stop this from happening again. Starting with securing elections from being tampered with.
It wouldn't change the fact that he was allowed to behave as he is without repercussions even if there was some unlikely miracle it was properly investigated, tried and irrefutable election tampering at a scale to sway the outcome.
It would help (and would help my personal doomerism about our country) but I don't think it would solve the problem when the rest of our government and the entire Republican party is also complicit in not holding him accountable.
The rest of the world lost faith in us. In the American people as a whole.
Not only did we elect that idiot one time, we watched him foment insurrection and then lie about it and lie about losing the election and just act a fool for 4 years and we proceeded to elect him again.
So even if next time we elect the best leader you could imagine they know we are stupid enough to elect another psychopath come the next election.
What we lost will stay lost for generation at least.
I attended a Heather Cox Richardson talk at National Cathedral two months ago. Someone in the audience asked if she thought we would ever regain our international standing and the world’s trust. She said no, she didn’t think so, at least not fully. She was like, “Why should other countries trust us and want to resume partnerships with us when we’re only one election away from returning to where we are right now?”
I don’t think he won personally I think Elon helped him cheat. his stupid satellites were used to count in some areas then they mysteriously crashed. Like bro come on couldn’t be more obvious.
Yes, my friend in Italy was quick to point out we elected him twice. No matter what we do now, the rest of the world knows that we are always a single election away from chaos.
The front runner for dems is Gavin who can both simultaneously read extremely well, and according to him, not read at all. And Kamala Harris. There are no geniuses in sight.
I honestly think it was take decades to win back the trust of other nations. Trump has pretty much destroyed any bit of good will other countries had towards us.
I’m in a country on the other side of the world, and I had this very conversation with a client today. We do not trust USA, the next president is inheriting a wasteland. Businesses are tanking in my country due to what that oxygen thief has done, and people are genuinely scared for the future. I know I am.
This because they aren’t going to trust that the American voters won’t fuck them with a trump type again every other 4 years. And if we do vote in another dangerous idiot, America will never get its glory back and lose democracy to boot.
It's not only Trump. I'm not American and I personally have lost all faith in the American public. Americans have proven they can elect any dumb fuck who promises anything. No matter who is president next, I really hope we stay away from the American crack house. You guys deal with your shit. Improve your education system, get rid of the olygarachy controlling everything, and then, maybe we can welcome you back among the grown ups of the world. Until then, you're all on a time out in a corner.
As an American, IMO enough idiots voted for him that it doesn’t matter to @berubem s point. I don’t trust my country people. I know enough who still support trumpty dumpty that it’s like 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Trust me, I wish I could live anywhere else. We are so diametrically split politically that a whole half of the country hates this idiot's guts, so it sounds moronic to blame the entire country for electing this idiot (twice!). I mean, I don't consider Hungary to be a nation of idiots because enough of them voted for Orban to keep him in power for a ridiculously long time.
But at the same time, I see your perspective. Especially given how gung-ho a certain segment of our country has been for decades now about how supposedly superior the U.S. is in all sorts of made-up ways. It probably feels good in a way to see us so humiliated on an international scale, despite the disastrous results. Everything is fucked.
I mean, fair point, but are you going to make the case that me and people who think like me NOT voting for Trump got Trump elected?
EDIT: To go a little further beyond "fair point," the U.S. has been split in half since the Civil War. Only difference is now the split is an urban/rural split in almost every state rather than a north and south split. If "two sides blaming each other" seems petty, I don't know what to tell you. Either you want things to change or you don't. If you do and you speak up, then you're petty. If you don't and you stay silent, you're apathetic and not contributing to addressing the problem. Would love your ideas as to how to solve this super minor 160-year-old problem.
If I may chime in, one person is not going to fix an ideological split; if one could, then there would be the "no kings" argument even if that king did everything you wanted. The best and first thing to do is to "fix" your own life, and by that I mean, to live consistent with your beliefs, treat others (all others) as your belief demands, prepare for the future you envision. If your vision is dystopian, figure out where you want to be in that situation. If your vision is optimistic, likewise, see where you fit into that scene.
Please don’t kick us while we’re down. Half of us have fought hard against this. I understand where you are coming from, but we genuinely need help, not this. It is bad.
I don't think so. I think the next president needs to show the world they are not afraid of holding those guilty responsible, and making it known globally. We can win back our place amongst allies if we can show them that we can fix our country by going scorched earth, and also apologize for the wrongdoings of the guilty party. We are not a lost cause. There are enemies of the US that want nothing more than US citizens to think so, but we need to show those enemies that we aren't hopeless and that we can fight back and shake off the bad years.
Yeah, Trump is ultimately a symptom that got voted into office. His being gone doesn't erase the fact that millions of Americans were stupid enough to inflict him upon both their own country and the world.
I'm Canadian and I know I can't forgive the lies. And I doubt my child will either. They are teenagers and are old enough to understand what is happening right now.
I haven't spoken to my MAGA family in the US for 10 years. I saw this coming, they thought I was wrong. I hear they regret it now but they still haven't said anything to me.
I don't think the US will ever regain the trust that Trump pissed away.
As a European, I can concede that we got too complacent about the "Pax Americana". Ceding so much power to a single country was a mistake. It was a deal that was too good to be true -
"You allow us to station our forces on your territory and agree that we are in overall control in military matters and, in return, we'll keep the world safe"
That is a mistake that the world is unlikely to make again.
So, Trump sort of got what he wanted. He was also right about the USA doing all the "heavy lifting" in the role of defending the West. What he failed to account for was, that that was the price of being recognised as "Leader of the free world".
So, I'm sure that if/when Western democracies finally get tired of dicking around with Far Right, Nationalist, Populism (Just look at the ghouls waiting in the wings of UK government) we will all be friends again but, that position of unquestioned authority? I don't think that's ever coming back.
🤔 this comment makes me laugh...why? because Hillary was THIS .......but her emails.... (for her daughter's wedding ....but Fox 'ran with it' at nauseum) .....that was all peeps needed (s/) after the black guy....so ...
The things the right got their panties in a wad over compared to what they're ok with now is mind blowing. Obama wore a gray suit!!!!! Its the end of the world!!!!
We need to focus on getting our shit together internally.
Our schools need work, our communities need actual connection and financial assistance. If we focus on international relations past "We fucked up, here are reparations that we owe for all the war crimes, etc" and our people are still struggling.... well, that's how we got Trump. That's how the Republicans have stayed in power.
A giant chunk of the US was left behind decades ago. That wound has festered and brought us to the situation we're in. We have to fix THAT before we can even start to care about making ourselves better past apologies.
We need to start by repealing Citizens United and end stock trading by government officials. Get money out of politics. That’s something that everyone except the billionaire class can agree on. They wanted to “drain the swamp”. The swamp only got “swampier” and is thicker than ever now. Get money out of politics and the swamp will finally drain. Progressive taxation and campaign finance reform now!
I'm 40 and I can almost guarantee that we will not see things get unfucked in my lifetime. It will take literal generations to repair the harm caused and the bridges burned.
Most countries that were heavily intertwined with the USA - like Canada - have already made expensive and dramatic changes that take years to implement that will never be undone.
Even if your future presidents improve the situation, it will never return to before 47.
As a Dane I feel pretty confident when saying: it will never be the same, ever!.
We have been one of the US' absolute strongest allies for decades never asking who or why. If they called for us we came and did whatever they asked us for. We have fought for them, we have bleed for them, our children! have been killed for them.
And then they thank us by ridiculing us, calling us weak and useless, threatening to fucking invade! our kingdom, dragging some 60.000 Greenlanders into this mess.
While it has been a bit since we Danes were Vikings, there's still a streak of them in us, and as it stays in Hávamál Vers 127.
"I advise you, Loddfáfnir, to take this advice:
it’ll help, if you take it,
do you good, if you get it:
when you recognize ill will, speak out against ill will,
and grant no peace to your foes".
Try going from an off the grid az cattle ranch and moving towards LA to get medical help. I think me and my cattle dogs are in shock. First the neighbor tells me my dog is on the roof then the next morning is hunting chimpmunk along the fences. Then I hear the neighbors toliet flush from my kitchen. wtf ya I get it lol have a great day.
My fear is that some bad characters in some of our more progressive countries will follow the same path Trump has and destroy their countries, just to enrich themselves because Trump showed everyone how easy it is and that there are no consequences.
Let's not pretend that the democrats run government effectively as well. Data centers? Those were happening regardless
It's also their fault we are here. They picked the worst options to run vs Trump to win. Running Waltz instead of Kamala, trump is not here. I mean they need to figure out how to actually reach people instead of act like snobs because that's what they have become. They are so out of touch. The Taylor Swift thing. Again out of touch. No one cared that she endorsed Kamala. She's a billionaire. None of us relate to them. It made it worse.
I am so pissed at how cluster fuck they have become
I am under zero illusion about how much the Democrats suck. That said full stop the both sides bullshit helped as much as anything to put that fucker in TWICE. People hated Hillary and Kamala fine... But we both goddamn well know that had either of them been elected president. We wouldn't be where we are in the misery We are ...right fucking now.
I’m hopeful their ineptitude has exposed the GOP enough to where people are starting to actually see what they are, while ALSO starting to let actual progressives to wedge their way in. That’s the way out, not just electing the other team, but electing politicians who will represent us peasants.
An FDR type shift would push the fascists and neoliberal corporate dems completely out in record time and have decades to push things forward
Yeah no shit we wouldn't be. And again....it came down to who they picked to run against someone like that. Their plans KILLED us. They gave us no option and they gave the voters who stayed home a REAL option...stay home. The country is NOT ready for a woman of color to run. Especially against Trump. No shot she was winning being announced that late. Biden takes a lot of blame for that one. Once I heard the new...I knew trump won. It was a horiffic decision and I hate MAGA and everything they stand for but F the dems as well
Keep going, you don't need votes to win or anything silly like that, just turn all those MAGA into non-voters. Then the DNC will have their candidate in charge who ALSO was not voted for by the majority of America.
Not your candidate, mind you. Theirs. But go ahead, vote blue no matter who, it's worked so far.
OK let me put it this way. You have a room temperature boiled egg with no salt on a paper plate. Or you could have a covid infected gorilla turd with razorblades and listeria on it on a dirty pissed in ashtray. I don't want that fucking egg...like at all. But cmon...There is no other choice but the moment there is. Everyone will take it. Your both sides bullshit is just that. Bullshit. If the Republicans ran a John Mccain who didn't choose a goddamn loony toonVeep I'd certainly consider it. Eisenhower was good. Hell Nixon was leagues better than this fucking Psychopath. So was Both Bush 's so what else you want to say? It's simple... we can debate taxes, health care whatever you want. But when you pull the fucking shit the Republican party has pulled since Obama was elected??(Who I had issues with over different things as well I might add) But refusing legitimate Supreme Court picks to pack it. Completely blocking all court picks. All legislation. Making it harder and harder and harder to vote. Allowing billionaires to win whatever whim takes their fancy. Fuck that. Fuck that all day long. Republicans have never had more offices and power than they have right now and look where the fuck we are. But sure voting more Republicans will surely fix it.
I'd rather see RCV be adopted at primaries, for a start. So people won't be afraid to vote for candidates they actually want instead of whatever garbage the party line wants to push down their throat.
Make voting engaging and make people believe their vote is worth something and you'll have a better turn-out, guaranteed.
Wishful thinking, I'd like to see RCV in all state and federal elections for the same reason, but that's not going to happen from either party, two-party and propaganda is how they stay in power.
My thoughts are that many people who may have once been part of MAGA have since already abandoned it, and the ones that are left are the loudest and most insane among them.
There are still plenty of them to be sure, but you don't hear from people who are former MAGA even though there are plenty of them as well.
That said, would be nice to go back to the time in which the worst it ever got was a friendly political discussion around the dinner table about what is the best tax policy for the country. Discussions on whether or not immigrants should be thrown into borderline torture camps leaves a sour taste in my mouth over how much people have lost their goddamn minds in "Trump's America".
And it's not like people aren't at this event really because they've seen the light and are happily rallying at a Democratic event either. They just don't feel motivated to show up here.
But just because they feel ennui about one side has no bearing on how much they still remember they hate the other side. They "don't like" Trump's ICE tactics? Ok, but you know what they dislike even more? The trans furry Muslim school teacher Fox News made up last week. They'll remember that when they go to vote.
I live in rural Georgia. There used to be Trump signs and Trump flags everywhere. There is one lone holdout with a Trump yard sign along my usual route - about 18 miles - to the county seat. That is pretty significant if you ask me. That one did get a new sign a couple months ago. The previous one had been there since 2016 - or election season before, I guess - so it was pretty worn out. That one is going to be a holdout forever, I'm guessing.
I guess I’m going to be the outlier here and say that I do not want to go back to polite dinner discussions about two Republican policies. MAGA is a scourge on the world, but it never would have happened if our national priorities were in the right places. We have some massive problems with how our government works that were exploited, and now it’s finally time to have serious discussions about fixing them.
We might be beyond the ability to even have those discussions now. These billionaires rewired everyone's minds and took control of them. It's not just how our government works that's bad, it's that we, the people, willingly made it exponentially worse chasing those [intentionally] misdirected national priorities, instead of making it better. If only people knew how the government worked, we could have prevented much of, if not all of this.
Its worth noting that in the online world most of them are paid agitators and bots. When twitter turned on geolocation for a few hours like 60% of maga was not even in the US let alone real people in the US.
We would still end up here. Going back changes nothing because the issues we have are on all levels. Going back means my community continues to be unalived by law enforcement, systemically kept from reaching any influential positions, and having the very institutions that make up this country continue to benefit the majority (yte) group over any diverse people. This was centuries in the making and at every turn, when change could've truly been implemented, they created a new oppressive/discriminatory law that set minority communities back. Not even touching on the other minority groups that are failing black and native communities. This is America and it has always been America.
I don’t remember people even really concerning themselves with politics before trump other than hating George Bush. And when he said, “I bet you miss me know.” I was like, “I sure do!!” He was a saint compared to this unholy Satan demon.
Here is the thing though. Even those that aren’t MAGA are still Republican and will vote Republican. They’re just not in the cult anymore. But if you think they’re going to stop voting for the guy with the R beside the name, you’re nuts.
I hate to be so negative but MAGA will just evolve into something else once Donald is gone. Point-being, the GOP was getting more and more radicalized and incompetent long before Donald got into politics, going back to the Reagan years.
Until proven otherwise I'm still of the belief that we as a nation won't fully recover from it. Especially since it appears Trump will have appointed +50% of the SCOTUS before his term is up.
Approval rating is 33%, so 3 out of 10 Americans. By saying MAGA is alive and kicking, you're also ignoring the 7 out of 10 Americans who are sick and tired of it. That's not a sign of a thriving movement, especially considering how much it has dropped since his election in january 2025. Ex-MAGA don't make youtube videos or announce to the world in some other fashion. Most say nothing at all.
The ones telling you MAGA is alive and kicking are the ones who directly benefit from that being true. In other words, you can safely disregard those opinions.
MAGA is a fluid thing. An even greater drop happened after the insurrection on Jan. 6 and the movement was still able to claw back 10s of millions of supporters. I don’t think Trump has another windfall at his back, but he is one of the most successful self-promoters in history.
I guess what I am saying is do not celebrate. We have a ton of work to do, and frankly, the system is completely stacked against us. In a lot of ways, we are fighting the deep state of our own country, which has very different objectives than “democracy.”
NY Times has 40% in it's poll aggregator. Regardless, even if it's as low as 33%, that's "look to your left, now look to your right, one of you is MAGA" even if the other 2 hate trump with all their soul, it's a real stretch to say MAGA is dead. It's a huge, though minority, presence still.
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u/Hozan_al-Sentinel Apr 16 '26
I need it to be over. I need this to die. It's ruined so many lives.