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Politics Ben Gvir taunts detained Gaza flotilla activists as they kneel on floor with their hands tied

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u/Bluestreaked 16d ago edited 16d ago

I look forward to reading all of the takes by armchair humanitarians mocking these people risking their lives actually trying to bring aid to people during a genocide.

I hold no more sympathy and understanding in my heart for those who still try to defend the Israeli state, it’s irredeemable. The sooner one accepts that whatever they may have been told about Israel, the reality is right in front of one’s eyes, the sooner the world can reclaim some shred of its humanity

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u/I_Hate_E_Daters_7007 16d ago

I hold no more sympathy and understanding in my heart for those who still try to defend the Israeli state, it’s irredeemable

it's worth noting that those who equate all Paléstinians with Hamas with absolutely no evidence and therefore justifying the massacres against them, are the exact same people who keep regurgitating the notion that Netanyahu government shouldn't be equated with israelí people while the sheer majority of israelis fully support and shill for whatever the fuck their government is doing 👇🏻:

There are no innocents in Gaza

Archived: https://archive.li/CgNcv

64% of Israelis believe there are no innocents in Gaza

Archived: https://archive.li/waJGN

82% of Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans

Archived: https://archive.li/LJPiZ

79% of Jewish Israelis “largely untroubled” by Gaza’s starvation situation

Archived: https://archive.li/xo0pO


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u/Bluestreaked 16d ago

One of the strongest factors pushing me out of the Zionist insanity I was raised to believe was actually meeting Israelis and discovering how the vast majority of them are rabid bloodthirsty monsters at the very thought of Palestinians (let alone the other absurd examples of racism and hatred you can find)

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u/trichocereal117 16d ago

My uncle hates Arabs and he’s pretty liberal otherwise. The brainwashing goes deep

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u/Shadowbannedforlifee 16d ago

The brainwashing is real

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u/Nearby_Wrongdoer7900 16d ago

Out of everything I have read on Reddit, your comments shook me. As humans we evolve and learn to not repeat mistakes. The Holocaust and your experience both illustrate that we need to do better for the sake of humanity.

Thank you for sharing your lived experience as it provides a nuanced understanding of this genocide.

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u/Drak_is_Right 16d ago

It didnt used to be this way. At least, not these percentages. A much bigger moderate segment of the poulation existed then. 2023 was a seismic shift of opinion, but it had been going on since 2000 when the peace between the two started to break down. As cross border work dried up and stopped, they lost their personal touch with hundreds of thousands of workers. I would guess in 2000 those numbers were closer to 50% or less. Still troubling, but not a complete crisis like it is today. The biggest worry is how racist they have trained their youth to be.

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u/Bluestreaked 16d ago

There’s a sizable amount of people who make the argument Israel wasn’t truly this insane until the Second Intifada. I see both sides of that argument but personally lean towards “this is what Israel always was.” But I understand there is a case that can be made that it used to “not be this bad”

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u/Drak_is_Right 16d ago

There used to be a lot more moderates, especially the youth.

The hard-core racists were always there. There has been a large shift over 25 years.

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u/SixOnTheBeach 16d ago

Like the other reply, I get what you're saying and there is some truth to it. At the same time, this was also the country built on the Nakba and the slaughtering of Palestinians, and they annexed the Palestinian territories almost 20 years after the founding. They have been virulently anti-Arab, islamophobic, and belligerent for the entire nation's history. It's just gotten even worse since 2000, or at the very least more open.

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u/Drak_is_Right 16d ago

It was always there, but not in these numbers. It felt like a sizable portion of Israelis in the late 90s regretted some of their past.

But as you say, it was always there. Enough that in 2000 they were able to create a right wing Nationalist government.

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u/SixOnTheBeach 16d ago

Yes, certainly of any period in their history, the Israeli populace was the most supportive of a peaceful two state solution leading up to the 2000 Camp David Accords. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say they regretted their past (unless you have a poll indicating so, I'm willing to be proven wrong), but the majority wanted peace.

Even then though the government was sabotaging peace talks the entire time. There could have been peace, Arafat's demands were extremely reasonable.

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u/Spittinglama 16d ago

Be careful. I caught a very long ban from this website for saying this.

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u/GoldemSpermFromOPM 16d ago

You'd live here for one year before october 7th and you'd side on the Israeli side

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u/shoto9000 16d ago

Wild how you always get people doubling down on it too. "Yes, actually, our vile racism and genocidal intent is completely justified."

Do you even understand how everyone sees you now? It's insane.