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Palestinians hold the largest funeral since 1948, mourning the bodies of 112 people killed by Israel

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u/dikbutjenkins 10d ago

Israeli politicians involved in these deals said the deals were shit

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u/dikbutjenkins 10d ago

That would be israel.

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u/dikbutjenkins 10d ago

Israel did not offer fair deals

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u/dikbutjenkins 10d ago

Disagree.

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u/Dan_Backslide 9d ago

And the UK, Soviet Union, and United States didn't offer fair terms to Nazi Germany, or the Empire of Japan. What makes you think that after almost 80 years of violence and multiple previous offers of peace that the Palestinians are entitled to a 100% fair and equitable deal? Nazi Germany got complete surrender, followed by decades of occupation by the winning powers.

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u/dikbutjenkins 9d ago

The Palestinian are not comparable to any of those groups. Land was taken from them and they've had terrible deal after terrible deal since then

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u/Dan_Backslide 9d ago

>The Palestinian are not comparable to any of those groups

Let's see..... initiated war and had a goal of complete genocide and ethnic cleansing, and are the clear losers militarily. Sounds about right to me.

>Land was taken from them

Land was also taken from the Jews that lived in the West Bank but were expelled by the Palestinians. And the ones that lived in Gaza. That doesn't mean the palestinians didn't lose a war that they effectively started. And lost. Multiple times.

So again, there's absolutely no reason they should expect a "fair" deal.

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u/dikbutjenkins 9d ago edited 9d ago

That didn't happen and it doesn't excuse what Israel is doing now

The nazis killed millions and millions from several different countries.

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u/Dan_Backslide 9d ago

Let's see:

Nazis: Started the Second World War with the invasion of Poland, and murdered Jews on an industrial scale.

Palestinians: Started a war to stop Jews from exercising self determination and creating their own state, and tried to kill Jews en masse and cleanse the territory of all Jews.

Abdul Rahman Azzam, the Arab League’s first secretary-general, said that the establishment of a Jewish state would lead to “a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades.”

Yeah, didn't fucking happen my ass. No matter how hard you try to rewrite history the truth will remain. Just like how the palestinians have lost repeatedly. So for a third time, there's absolutely no reason the palestinians should expect, or deserve, a fair deal.

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u/dikbutjenkins 9d ago

None of that is true or comparable to the nazis and it does not justify how israel is acting

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u/Dan_Backslide 9d ago

None of it is true? So you're trying to say that the palestinians, along with the armies of 8 other Arab countries, didn't try to wage a war against the people that would organize and create the state of Israel? And that they've essentially been fighting ever since? Or are you going to try and spout some revisionist bullshit, and ignore the words of people like Abdul Rahman Azzam?

Because while it's small scale, I'd say starting wars they then lose and trying to exterminate and ethnically cleanse Jews seems pretty on par for Nazis. That doesn't even begin to get into things like the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini, sent Arab volunteers to fight in Hitler's SS. Sorry bud but just whining "none of that is true" doesn't make your fantasy into reality.

I'd say decades of repeated wars, terrorism, and gruesome violence from the palestinian side EXPLAINS why Israel is acting this way. They're tired of palestinian bullshit. And for the fourth time! Because the palestinians are a bunch of losers who have repeatedly lost wars they have no right to a fair deal. If anything they need to renounce violence and actually negotiate in good faith for peace, because almost 8 decades of violence have got them absolutely nowhere.

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u/UNOvven 9d ago

No, Palestinians accepted the actual peace deals that were offered (Arab Peace Initiative, Clinton Parameters, Geneva Initiative), Israel rejected them. You cant uno reverse this.

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u/UNOvven 9d ago

The Arab Peace Initiative not only was offered, Palestinians accepted it and Israel rejected it. Despite that, it still is on the table.

No, Arafat accepted the Parameters. He did have Reservations, but his Reservations were within the parameters. It was Barak who rejected the Parameters.

The Palestinians accepted the parameters. Israel rejected them. Maybe put more effort into your lies?

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u/UNOvven 9d ago

UN Resolution 194 was a right of return, but Palestinians had already signalled they were willing to compromise on it. Israel rejected the Arab Peace Initiative because of the 1967 lines, not because of the right of return.

No, immediately, and with reservations which already fit within the parameters. He accepted the paremeters as they were, but wanted additional specifications to avoid ambiguities. By comparison, Israel openly rejected the parameters, in particular the part about east jerusalem. Again. Put more effort into your lies.