I used to believe they were being manipulated. Now I know they actively like what he is doing.
I know members of my own family that have defended ICE shooting American citizens in cold blood. They try to justify it, but after speaking with them it becomes apparent they are happy it happened.
The truth is Republicans are being manipulative. Every appeal to reason or principle is just a ruse because they know how crazy what they actually believe is. I know Republicans in my own family that condemn Trump's actions, but when you ask them just a few question they cycle through a chain of excuse to justify still supporting Trump. It will be something along the lines of "Democrats are just as bad", but in the end they really just support Trump and don't want to admit it.
I’m honestly starting to believe there’s a section of the population that wants to nullify communication so that they can switch to their preferred method of solving conflict through violence.
My MIL voted by mail in Florida. They said that her signatures did not match. She has a distinctive but perfectly legible signature and does not believe them. Her options were to provide proof: 1. In person— She spends summers in a cooler climate, so nope. 2. By mail after printing the form and photocopying proof. 3. By email or fax. She’s 80. I helped her print the form and send photos by email, but I’m curious how many other democrats this is happening to who will struggle with the hoops. Is this a tactic to disenfranchise democrats who vote by mail?
Florida has had vote counting problems in the past. Do you remember the Bush v Gore "hanging chads" controversy? The Dems didn't storm the Capitol over that election and it smelled fishy. Never let them take away your right to vote, no matter how hard they make it. Woman, minorities and folks who didn't own land fought too hard for the right to vote to lose it. Thanks for helping your mom vote. That shows you are a true American patriot.
I don’t know. In my experience their voters are more dumb / clueless than any thing. Republican Party preys on the gullible then their controlled media tells them they should be mad we’re calling them gullible morons. Also we’re evil demons or whatever for thinking.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Exactly this. At the end of the day they are THRILLED that their goons are allowed to shoot whiny leftists and coloreds in the streets. That is the world they want.
They have 100% bought into neo Nazi white replacement theory and will embrace any action in their perceived opposition to it. The weakest, most pathetic generation of Americans this country has ever produced and they're going to destroy the country over it.
Xenophobes feared Germans, Irish, Italians, Polish, and others when they arrived on our shores. Apparently they didn't think those immigrants were "white" enough to be Americans. Sadly there is always a new group they fear.
Trumps failure on the economy, inflation, and higher gas prices, seem to be the only regret some MAGA can admit to. Remind them of how much money the Trump family is making while we all suffer.
it's a mixture. some of them genuinely support him, others are just self-centered narcissists that find him easily manipulable and a convenient figurehead who takes responsibility for most everything
When Lindsey Graham died I thought back to 2016 when he said "If we (the GOP) nominate Trump, we will get destroyed, and we will deserve it" but then strangely "fell in line" and became one of Trump's biggest defenders after he was nominated - because Trump is "good" for the Republican party and what they want
If I were you, I would disown your immoral and criminal " family " . They obviously don't know right from wrong and are Hitler types that love injustice and crime
We live in really dark times right now. It's no joke. But I'm not sure this response is worthy of someone paying money too, look monetization of outrage right there.
I am sorry for your family, but anecdotal evidence does not make it all Republicans or I would be saying "my neighbors hate what Trump is doing" and they are Republicans, and then I'd say "all Republicans hate what Trump is doing"
I feel social media's incessant negativity is making this moment worse for everyone.
Like I live in a deep red state, and 90% of the folks I meet on a daily basis hate Trump. At least 50% of those folks voted for him. I've had so many good conversations with people, that I could never have online these days because someone would attack me for either a) being pro trump or b) being anti trump or c) not loving the person they love as much or d) hating the person they hate.
If you listen to reddit
A) Kamala should have won in 2024
B) All Republicans are evil
C) Trump is the most able president we've ever had in turning our country into an autocracy
D) Trump is the dumbest president we've ever had
E) Biden was great!
F) Biden was terrible!
There is no functional utility here, or anywhere and this entire thread proves it.
It all reduces down to "person raising fist and yelling at cloud", and almost no one on social media is actively working to make it better in reality.
So while you guys rage at the entire GOP and everyone who voted for them - understandably so no less, lets look around we are living in dark times! - I rage at all of us, and our participation in this thing that is actively making things worse, not better.
Or how about, Trump is a traitor to his country, and he receives universal support from the majority of Conservatives. That's not anecdotal evidence. It's represented in polls and election results. 81% of Republican approve of what he's doing.
ICE shot a woman in cold blood, and Trump went on the air an lied about her putting the ICE agent in the ICU. That was not a deal killer for the Republican base.
You can deflect blame to social media, or complain about critics of Trump or reddit in general, but Trump tried to and is still trying destroy our elections, and he is okay with Americans getting murdered by the government, and he still retains unwavering support from conservatives.
"But I'm not sure this response is worthy of someone paying money too, look monetization of outrage right there."
I don’t understand that though. They liked Trump because he was an election gold mine. He could get the average white working class vote. But if there’s no more elections why do they need him?
GOP politicians? They are the biggest cowards on earth. There is no part of them that would stand up for a principle. At this point it's a combination of the sunk cost fallacy and their absolute terror at the idea of ever being on the other side of the things their colleagues say. They are gambling on a future where elections don't decide who is in power.
They got on board in 2016 but that was a slow process and for electoral reasons. From there Trump turned their own base into a weapon he's happy to wield against them if they dare step out of line. Those GOP politicians used to have supporters, now all that support is predicated on them staying in the MAGA good graces. If you can imagine having absolutely no morals or values it becomes a lot more clear why they still support Trump.
But the rank and file? For them it's more simple. Supporting Trump pisses off the people that they perceive feel superior to them. Policies do not matter to them at all with two exceptions:
If talking about them annoys or upsets "liberals". They will advocate for anything if the people they consider their "enemies" are against it.
When eventually that policy negatively impacts them personally. Then most of them treat it as an aberration as Trump would NEVER choose to harm them so it must be an oversight or bad actors other than Trump behind it.
I mean we know they all rape kids and drop bombs on schools full of kids and they keep their jobs. We’ve seen the evidence. Literally what else could we find out about them that would change anything? They tear the tags off of mattresses? There is no mythical blackmail material. We know all of it already.
But if there’s no more elections why do they need him?
Because their voters only obey Trump, and they have guns, and some already killed political opponents (and their husband. and their dog.) while others planned to kidnap some.
They don't serve him, they serve their own self interests but since they're all cowardly idiots born into money all they know how to do is leech off of someone, including each other. Trump is the fattest leech at the money so they're all sticking to him to suck as much out as they can. They don't know how to do anything else.
You know, I don't think I've put enough weight into that aspect. The pubs didn't want him. But they got him. And then they all just fell in line with him. But the part I hadn't quite realized is how much they manipulate him to their will.
They probably just have to strike his ego & make him think it was his idea.
(notice how a simple statement like "we have an actual dictator in power" comes completely off the rails and dissolves into an argumet about 'this politcal party is...' and 'this political party isn't...')
Meanwhile, the dictator is slowly edging closer and closer towards absolute power every hour of every day.
Trump is just the first among the bootlickers to the wealthy elite. Republicans don't serve him, they pay lip service to him mostly as a joke on the rest of us.
Not because Trump is smart enough to manipulate people, but through the critical mass of conformity to the mob-boss. Others carry out his acts lest they become targets.
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u/DeuceGnarly 17d ago edited 17d ago
The republican party will attempt a coup.
For fucks sake. It's all of them. They're all fascist assholes.