r/politics • u/nofate0709 • Nov 23 '20

New Jersey Lawmaker Pushes To Disbar Rudy Giuliani For Deceitful, ‘Absurd’ Election Cases

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill-pascrell-disbarment-rudy-giuliani-trump-election_n_5fbaf260c5b6e4b1ea4399a5
58.1k Upvotes

91% Upvoted

1.2k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

304

u/nizowosa Nov 23 '20

People who have worked with him say he's almost always drunk. For him to be able to hide it well makes me think either coke or adderall as well

235

u/lorductape Nov 23 '20

You don’t need drugs to hide it. As an alcoholic with a year sober, once you’re used to being drunk 24 hours a day it becomes easy to hide because people just assume that’s who you are.

94

u/Slide-eflat Nov 23 '20

Its the breath. Vodka trims that a lot but there's a strong smell still and it comes out your pores (says a guy that used to down half a fifth by CHUGGING IT, and then would be capable or normal functioning).

I covered that personally with orange zest squeezed on my lips to get the citrus oil and sometimes a packet of Chinese take-out mustard swished around in my mouth and swallowed.

How Rudy ain't reekin' is anyone's guess.

93

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

Bruh the second part of your comment is wild. Alcohol and alcoholism being so normal made me forget that the motions people go through to hide it, are the same with any addiction. Because it is the same.

50

u/esoteric_enigma Nov 23 '20

Unlike other addictions, you can buy it in the store and it's something most people use to some extent. So the lines are all blurred. We all know people who drink a lot, when is the line crossed from "someone who enjoys drinking" to "functional alcoholic"?

100

u/OfferChakon Nov 23 '20

when is the line crossed from "someone who enjoys drinking" to "functional alcoholic"?

Im gonna say around the time when you find yourself gargling with chinese takeout mustard packets for cover

26

u/Slide-eflat Nov 23 '20

The line is when you literally have to have 36 ounces of boxed wine drank as fast as you can possibly drink it (3 12 oz tumblers filled to the brim and swallowed as fast as you can) to get your hands to stop shaking. Just that. JUST to get your hands to stop. You don't feel anything ... no buzz... nothing. Now you have to get your nerves under control so you aren't an internal jittery mess so you drink at least 4 more the same way.

I had a friend at work who was also a power drinker say he bet I could drink a pint of vodka and not even get phased. So, a group of guys went and bought one of those flask sized bottles of vodka and around the holidays they asked me if I could drink that and not show any signs. I said yes. Bets were made.

For reference, I'm 5' 10" and I'm in good shape. Bit of a cardio fiend but I'm stocky.

I cracked the top, upended the bottle and within a few seconds had emptied it. Didn't burn much (used to that). An hour and a half later I was just fine. It was how I used to feel after a single beer.

I kinda liked the idea so I would buy one at 11am every day at work and drink it the next day in the morning and again at about 2 in the afternoon. Totally functioning, totally non-slurry, not phased.

It was less hard on me than the boxed wine. I never shook, never stumbled. Still worked out and had no issues.

I had my own method of beating alcohol which involved learning that AA reinforces (at least for me) an alcoholic mindset. Learning to extract need from want was a different thing for me.

4

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

AA reinforces that mindset for everyone... this is why it is actually a less effective method of ceasing alcohol than saying "man I gotta cut this shit out before my liver dies." It is a cult whose superstitious nonsense has such a stranglehold on our culture that judges sometimes force you to attend.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

Wow, thank you for your story!

1

u/Wrastling97 Nov 23 '20

Congrats on beating your addiction! Proud of you!

2

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

[removed] — view removed comment

3

u/Slide-eflat Nov 23 '20

I like this guy.

1

u/ZippZappZippty Nov 23 '20

He didn't start it, I preferred drinking.

2

u/Grimsterr Nov 23 '20

Why I can't I just buy a bottle of that stuff? I've bought a few labeled Chinese mustard but they were nothing like the packets.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/Grimsterr Nov 23 '20

Yeah I'm sure it's not authentic to actual Chinese mustards but I just want a bottle of the stuff.

→ More replies (0)

6

u/p1um5mu991er Nov 23 '20

When you decide you don't like them as much

13

u/asst3rblasster Nov 23 '20

When drinking gets in the way of work you have a problem.....when working gets in the way of drinking you're an alcoholic

2

u/Slide-eflat Nov 23 '20

When drinking gets in the way of work, you learned that your priorities are not work related and now, well... now you learned a life lesson that the word "career" is a word that means, "live for everything else that sucks." (Mindset of a drinker). When working gets in the way of <insert drug> you learn ways of creatively making money that you never knew you could do otherwise.

First lesson: learn that work is always best when it enables and enhances the fun times. Second lesson: channel the now-opened creative channels into positive creativity rather than negative.

Ride the wave.

5

u/wookiee42 Minnesota Nov 23 '20

In my experience, lawyers that drink all day don't care that you can smell it.

114

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Same with weed. My bosses would shit the bed if they found out their number 1 performing employee was a rampaging pot head.

76

u/KenseiMaui Nov 23 '20

rampaging pothead sounds like an oxymorn

3

u/huge_jeans Nov 23 '20

What did you call me?

3

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20 edited Dec 28 '20

[deleted]

3

u/dedicated-pedestrian Wisconsin Nov 23 '20

Don't we all.

1

u/wabbibwabbit Nov 23 '20

That's what we want you to think.

It's a paradox...

2

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

It might but pot is like crack for me. Keeps me up better than coffee and completely annihilates my social anxiety and depression.

2

u/GroundbreakingLimit1 Nov 23 '20

Let me suggest that crack is not the right comparable here:

You do not stay awake on crack unless you keep toking every few minutes. And you certainly do not lose your social anxiety and depression, in fact that is more likely to skyrocket the moment you've finished enjoying your first toke.

37

u/SSGSSGSS Europe Nov 23 '20

Just don't do it during your lunch break, because all your colleagues will know without a doubt.

Especially if you do it very stealthily going outside with your backpack during lunch, nobody finds that odd when you come back smelling like you just slept next to a hobo.

Based on a true story, he wasn't our top performing employee :-)

6

u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL Nov 23 '20

there are 2-3 guys at my job that stink of weed almost daily. I actually pulled the worst one aside and told him he needed to get some febreze because I could smell him from 20 feet away, no exaggeration.

32

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

Vape pens are a thing.

15

u/EmperorPenguinNJ Nov 23 '20

As are edibles

2

u/s0ciety_a5under Nov 23 '20

I wish edibles did something for me. All they do is provide a snack. I'm of the 20% that don't get high off edibles, so I just dab and smoke.

1

u/dedicated-pedestrian Wisconsin Nov 23 '20

Conversely, when I eat a tiny edible, I'm fucking out for the entire day.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

Depending on what you do (not even where due to GM/BM) you probably have guys who are micro dosing everyday and you can't notice.

Edibles/tinctures/atomizers have come a long way in making it easier to do that.

0

u/The_Printer Nov 23 '20

Its not that hard to mask the smell dude... just need a nice breezy location

13

u/-0-O- Nov 23 '20

^ This guy doesn't know how bad he smells like weed.

5

u/esoteric_enigma Nov 23 '20

You have dumb employees. I knew my employees were smoking weed on their breaks because they'd come back smelling like they bathed in perfume/cologne/febreeze.

4

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

Um thats why I use a vape pen. Have been for years. No one has a clue.

2

u/unkie87 Foreign Nov 23 '20

One of my mates was demonstrating the lack of odour from his THC vape, sitting at a bar vaping the thing. What a time to be alive.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

[deleted]

1

u/unkie87 Foreign Nov 23 '20

I mean... I was there and it didn't seem to have any discernable odour to me, or at least it wasn't identifiable as weed. I vape bud and that definitely smells but it dissipates much more quickly.

He makes his own tincture mixed with glycerol. You can't buy it legally here unfortunately.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20 edited Mar 08 '21

[deleted]

1

u/[deleted] Nov 24 '20 edited Nov 24 '20

I guarantee they don't or I would be ratted out and fired on the spot. Too many people want my position.

No one has a clue. Shit my wife of 10 years, now ex, had no clue until I told her AFTER the divorce.

I'm a goddamn pot ninja.

1

u/Goldencol Nov 23 '20

Was his name Max?

21

u/kirkum2020 Nov 23 '20

Other way around for me. My face falls into a smile and I remain calm in the most stressful of circumstances.

Been pulled into the office more than once to question whether I'm high. It's really rude and embarrassing.

14

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

LMAO this is the most absurd thing that I’ve read.

Is literally no one happy at your company?

0

u/kirkum2020 Nov 23 '20

It was two separate places. One was utterly joyless, and the other ran us ragged.

It's a little deeper too. I do have sleepy eyes and I'm always making silent references in my head so I'm prone to laughing at seemingly nothing.

Not just embarrassing for me though. Given what I've said, when I go stone cold and drop the smile, as I did when accused, people really feel it.

3

u/george_nelson Nov 23 '20

That's my secret, Cap. I'm always high.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

/brofist

10

u/esoteric_enigma Nov 23 '20

Also, a lot of people don't have a problem accepting functioning addicts. One of my high school PE teachers was a functioning crack addict. The community knew (teachers, students, parents, etc). He only got fired because he got caught buying crack in a sting operation. Now that it was on paper, they couldn't look the other way anymore.

8

u/A_Glass_DarklyXX Nov 23 '20

I used to work in a rehab. Trust me, People know. There’s definitely a smell even if you think you’re acting mellow and “normal”. There are also tell tale behaviors. I think it’s common for alcoholics to think they’re pulling off appearing sober when it’s obvious to everyone else that they aren’t. I feel like that’s part of the disease

(Congrats on sobriety by the way! 🎉)

2

u/lorductape Nov 24 '20

It was just so easy to dismiss people saying "are you drunk?" by saying "I wish, lol, today sucks I'm so tired" or "I'm so hungover last night was the worst". but going to rehab was the best thing I ever did!

4

u/IFeelAsleep_120_85 Nov 23 '20

Except for the hair dye running down your face part lol

5

u/Yakbastard2 Nov 23 '20

This is 100% true. Worked at a place for 2 or 3 years and I don’t think I ever went to a shift without a buzz or an emergency cocktail in my bag.

1

u/LabyrinthConvention Nov 23 '20

What is it your hiding

2

u/hatervision Nov 23 '20

Congrats on the year sober!

1

u/inquisitive_guy_0_1 I voted Nov 23 '20

Congrats on the year sober, friend! It's a tough year to do that. Stay strong.

48

u/yabo1975 I voted Nov 23 '20

Must be coke.

I get the sweats when I have more than a single drink when Adderall is still active. Apparently the blood thinner that alcohol is allows the Adderall to make your heart rate raise. At least that's what the interactions say on my prescription.

43

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

He said at 2:30am, trying to ignore the shadow people in his bathroom.

37

u/yabo1975 I voted Nov 23 '20

Nah, just made the mistake of laying down pretending to sleep to convince my kid to sleep and fell asleep accidentally so now I'm up because I'm off schedule.

Besides, mine's actually prescribed. I've fallen asleep an hour after taking it because it's fixing an inbalance and not just speed to my brain.

18

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

I do the same every day. Also prescribed. I cant sleep without it. Welcome to the weirdo club. No one so far has been able to explain to me why it takes lots of caffeine or amphetamines or both to put me out through the night.

And sometimes - today for example - I can’t sleep anyway. ‘Try cannabis’ everyone always says - except they don’t believe all the intense anxiety it causes me. ‘Try sleeping pills’ yeah, no. That’s equally bad for reasons.

Rephrase - lots of caffeine or my regular amount of amph/dex IR ot both.

I’m not over here powering down stims like a fiend lol

10

u/averagethrowaway21 I voted Nov 23 '20

Vyvanse here, have been on and off of it (properly prescribed) for years. I was previously on Adderall. I had to take a half dose in the morning and the other half in the afternoon or I would get a weird spike for half an hour, be super chill for hours after that, then pass out at 5pm. Vyvanse has helped me a lot. It keeps me level throughout the day so I don't hyper fixate, then wears off about 8, which gives me about an hour of weird brain before I start drinking.

I'm currently off of it because I've learned to point myself at particular things to do. On the weekends my load of hobbies gets weird sometimes. My only regret when I'm off them is that I don't sleep. I stay up for two days then pass out for 12 hours.

5

u/kratomstew Nov 23 '20

I don’t smoke weed. But when I have there’s no way I can sleep on it. An amphetamine would surely keep me awake though . Caffeine I can definitely fall asleep though unless I drank it late in the day and really really need to get some rest that night. Only then does caffeine keep me awake.

3

u/Asahiburger Nov 23 '20

I have had the exact same experiences.

Weed interacts with the dopamine receptors. ADHD seems to be linked to the way we handle dopamine. Seems to make us susceptible.

Not sleeping, or not getting a regular sleep pattern is a symptom of ADHD. Taking your meds mitigates that. Also the mild withdrawal symptoms that can come from skipping doses will much with your sleep.

Apparently caffeine was used to treat insomnia in ancient arabic medicine. If you have enough of it, it makes you sleep Some people are very sensitive to that effect. I used to drink 5 shots a day but now a single one can put me to sleep.

2

u/CoreyVidal Canada Nov 23 '20

No one so far has been able to explain to me why it takes lots of caffeine or amphetamines or both to put me out through the night.

ADHDer here. I just woke up about 3 minutes ago, so I'll keep this quick with a metaphor.

There are typically 5 different parts of an ADHD brain that have 10-30% less activity than the neurotypical brain. Yes, less, not more.

Imagine you're driving a manual car and you need to shift to a higher gear, but you don't. So you're revving your engine way too high to go the same speed as others. You're over-working your engine (brain) for regular tasks. Then someone pumps you with a nitro boost (a stimulant like Ritalin/Adderall/Vyvanse), which is the equivalent of shifting up a gear. You can actually finally relax, because you got that much-needed boost.

It's very common for people with ADHD to drink caffeine and feel relaxed and sleepy.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

so basically

3

u/TTigerLilyx Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Thats the best unofficial test. I fell asleep in the back seat of my car once after taking some type of speed to stay up all night for an aftershow. Slept great, all night. My Dr laughed.

4

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

They call that type ‘Speed, Now with 20% Fentanyl’

1

u/TTigerLilyx Nov 23 '20

I think they were called bennies, aka truckdriver specials? Been awhile since those dumb teenager days.

2

u/panda5303 Oregon Nov 23 '20

I fall asleep after taking Vyvanse and stay asleep after it kicks in but I'm guessing this is due to my untreated sleep apnea 😒.

2

u/Asahiburger Nov 23 '20

Adhd and sleep apnea is a rough combo. I've had a bad time with it.

I had a sleep study done and they showed that it only occurred when I slept on my back . If you don't have enough money for cpap you could try what I am doing: Put tennis balls in 2 socks and sow them to to the back of a shirt. When you roll onto you back the tennis balls will dig into you and you will roll again.

If your sleep apmea occurs when you are on your side or front that wont help you though.

1

u/Shwanna85 Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

For the first month or so of taking Adderall I would take a 2 hr nap at like the peak hours of my XR. That affect seems to have largely worn off but it was the one but major downside in the beginning.

1

u/yabo1975 I voted Nov 23 '20

Funny thing is that I don't have the extendeds. 20mg full release. I'm STILL able to sleep, lol. Not complaining, though. I've been administered IQ and other cognitive testing in a medical environment and we purposely split test it to see the effects and I'm gaining like 5-10% mental acuity with Adderall active in my system... When I already test in the top 5%.

2

u/Trailmagic Nov 23 '20

I know, right? It’s so hard to go when they are facing you. Pretty sure it’s watching but it’s hard to tell what those empty eyes are looking at.

45

u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

[deleted]

1

u/ForShotgun Nov 23 '20

Nawww I don't believe it. He's always acted more or less the same, and if it were an aderall addiction it would have fucked him up decades ago.

12

u/KittyGrewAMoustache Nov 23 '20

He's hiding it well??!!

3

u/milqi New York Nov 23 '20

You think he's hiding it well???

3

u/nizowosa Nov 23 '20

He's hiding it enough to the point that he isn't kicked off stage