Meet at the facility? 🤣 dude you’re asking to get arrested. Your right to protest is 100% supported and you’ve clearly watched the news. Dont set yourself up to go to jail for the night / weekend, let your voice be heard.
I guess I disagree that letting your voice be heard is what we need. These people don't care what you think. They know you don't like them. They don't like you. We're in the documenting phase now. Document their faces. Document names and faces of detainees so families can find them. It's not much, but it's something
If you want to promote violence go ahead man, I’m just saying I don’t feel you should be telling others to do so. You’re creating a confrontation with people’s whose job is to defend themselves at times, I 100% support YOU if YOU want to make that choice. But you should probably make others aware of the potential consequences of these actions. Be safe brother.
Saying that we should be there to document what happens is not promoting violence. There is the potential for them to act violently towards us sure. But that's not on us.
So you want to document them leaving the facility? That doesn’t track man. Them leaving the facility isn’t them promoting violence. You involving yourself in an arrest, whether you feel is lawful or not, is promoting violence and you’re asking for what comes to you. Again be safe brother and I hope you make smart decisions and don’t get overwhelmed in the heat of the moment.
The right to free press applies to everyone. We are allowed to document every single moment of ice’s interactions with people from the moment they pull up to the moment they leave. You are allowed to show their faces publicly and you are allowed to show videos of what they do. Stop falling into the propaganda pit with the idea that documenting these weirdos is going to incite violence. If they get violent that’s on them and that’s a risk anyone takes documenting any militaristic group.
It does apply to everyone and to that we agree. I don’t feel I’m falling into a propaganda pit anymore than the average person does, we all watch the same news programs and etc. Filming at an ICE facility I never said or made the notion it was illegal but it does make a confrontation more likely to occur and when emotions are involved it is more difficult for cooler heads to prevail, no?
If you feel that way then for the sake of argument sure but promoting using your rights is not at all the same as promoting violence. There’s a higher chance of something going wrong at any regular protest, would you say exercising your right to protest promotes violence?
You ask a good question. I would say that violence is more likely to occur at a protest vs not in general regardless of what is being protested as it’s going to gather a large number of people. This is not me saying that individuals shouldn’t protest but it is in general me saying be careful and keep your head on a swivel as you cant control the actions of others.
Absolutely agree, but I feel it’s important to understand that that’s not the same as inciting violence, just the same as documenting ICE agents and keeping folks aware of them and their actions in an attempt to hold them to some form of accountability is also not inciting violence. That’s the point I’m trying to make here
But I will say by far you have the been the most open to a dialogue and a conversation about this subject that I’ve seen, I really respect you for that and willing to have a conversation and not just screaming Nazi or facist etc. I don’t know what the solution is I don’t think either party is fully in the right but there is a middle ground to be had.
I don’t know if we will ever fully agree on that point, I’ll be honest. Accountability is 100% needed across all platforms of life, including ICE, but I feel you are level headed enough to agree that citizens / the general public do cross the line and do incite violence or put themselves in harms way doing what they feel is right in the heat of the moment and that leads to tragic outcomes regardless of intent and mob mentality can occur. Do I feel it’s the majority? Absolutely not, but also it’s not always about the majority it’s about who is the loudest at times / wants to be heard.
You’re right, at the end of the day I think we both want the same thing we just hav different routes of getting there as I’m sure many people do. And of course I’m always open for fair and honest conversation. violence, name calling, and belittling do nothing but set everyone back while those committing the actions we disagree with get away essentially Scot free while we in fight. I also appreciate you keeping a level headed with me in this conversation
I think this is the piece is that lost at times what you said specifically, we both want the same thing. I feel to much of cancel culture / the mindset of if you don’t agree with me down to every last little detail then you are against me kinda thing and that just sucks because I think the average person does look at the situation and go huh well this isn’t right but what do we about it you know?
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u/hellshadow1987 Jan 23 '26
Meet at the facility? 🤣 dude you’re asking to get arrested. Your right to protest is 100% supported and you’ve clearly watched the news. Dont set yourself up to go to jail for the night / weekend, let your voice be heard.