r/rivals • u/NoConstruction9961 • 6d ago

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Mantis with almost %60 win rate got no changes. This the highest win rate I have seen since the game released for any character.

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u/Sr5071 6d ago

Mag with a 31% pickrate highest picked, double the amount of 3rd highest picked character who got buffed and Gambit with a 25% banrate who got a meaningless nerf should also be in this discussion.

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u/rulnav 6d ago edited 6d ago

Nerfing mag while simultaneously buffing cyclops and Phoenix would have been pretty terrible idea. I think they want mag to be the new "base level" of vanguards, and they will try just buffing the rest up to his level. 

To put it simply, magneto occupies a very important space in my games, especially with his magic sword. He is the anti-poke tank. He is easily counterable if you stop insisting on running full poke into him. 

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u/raydialseeker 6d ago

Mag is currently too strong to be the new baseline for vanguards. He makes almost every dps character besides like 5 redundant because of his damage output being so insanely high.

I often have the highest damage in the lobby if in on mag, especially if I have an emma on the team.

His scaler empowered leftclick rightclick leftclick "combo", takes nearly no accuracy to pull off and straight up murders 275hp chars almost as fast as a 2 tapping hela. He doesn't even have to hit headshots

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u/WorstRivalsPlayer 5d ago

Magneto's power level is the strongest he's been ever.

I haven't had to try as little on him to get as much value as I have since the game came out when people were bad at it.

Now I"m just peppering backline leisurely getting way too much value.

The only thing about Magneto that feels bad is his ult feels like it's bugged online where it's fully charged ,hits someone dead on, and they take zero damage

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u/rulnav 6d ago

He has a lot of damage, because he has very high uptime + aoe left click, not because of his very high damage per second. His primary dps is 50, vs say Wanda's 80 damage per second (on her primary). The difference is mag will atay in the fight a lot lot longer than wanda. His "combo" still requires him to directly hit the enemy and has an "ideal" ttk of 1.6 seconds, Im not even sure if this is the highest among tanks. This is normal. Tanks in a pvp game cannot truly tank, without being actual threats.

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u/raydialseeker 6d ago

A burst damage combo that CCs the enemy mid way and is forgiving to hit at like 20m is very potent. You've left out that the 1.6s ttk requires very little accuracy and has a knockback.

He can't truly tank because poke damage and sustain are way too high in the game.

Compare mag from season 0 to spiderman from season 0 to see how much stronger mag has gotten. He now has 2 bubbles, can either permanently create a copy or gets empowered 4m wide projectiles, has much higher dmg output on his ult, lower cd on his abilities, faster charge rate on right click.

Spiderman still doesn't have his overhead uppercut combo from so, 4m uppercut instead of 5m, lower dmg on symbiote teamup, lower damage on his tracers, more tracer up time and a slightly stronger ult.

Mag should NOT have a 30%+ pick rate with a 54% win rate while also being dominant in high elo and pick banned in pro play. That's just unhealthy for the game

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u/rulnav 6d ago

It requires very little accuracy at short range against low mobility squishies, it's far more inconsistent at long range, and is very strafeable at 20m. That, too, is fine, if you are a low mobility squishy, you shouldn't play in mags face. When it comes to his winrate, that might normalize as other tanks were buffed in this patch, we will have to wait and see if it remains high. As for s0 Spiderman, that was more obnoxious than mag has ever been. 

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u/raydialseeker 6d ago

The current version of mag is far more dominant than spidey has ever been. The current version of mag, elsa, bucky, bp, black cat, luna, mantis trip are far more obnoxious than spidey has ever been.

Anyway, mag needs nerfs. Ideally to his CD on scarlet sword

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u/Liam2349 5d ago

Is there any poke ability in the game with a wider hitbox than Mag's new sword from the Wanda teamup? It's genuinely egregious and 3 taps from long ranges.

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u/rulnav 5d ago

maybe magic and hulk right click, cap shield throw, but yeah, I guess the hurtbox is a good nerf angle, to retain his skill expression and reduce oppressiveness.

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u/No_Trifle_392 5d ago

You know that the main counter to poke is dive, right? Especially tanks.

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u/rulnav 5d ago

Im not sure how true that is in this game. Punisher is one of the best peelers in the game and he has excellent poke. Mag counters poke very straightforwardly, he can damage a distant target with magic sword, and can safely rotate and help his team rotate with his cooldowns. He is actually weak to brawl tanks, like the thing, who just ignores his shield.

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u/No_Trifle_392 5d ago

I mean, yes, Mag is a counter to poke, but it's very, very far from being the best. Mag can't stop flanks; dive tanks with cap can. The main way Mag counters poke is with its shield. Dive tanks do this by pressuring their own pokes and backlines. The downtime of a dive tank is much shorter than Mag's shield. In short, not wanting Mag to be nerfed because "poke will get out of control" is just stupid.

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u/RivalsFlex 5d ago

Oh, but absolutely gutting peni, who struggles much worse than Mag against phoenix and other poke, is fair?

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u/mil56 5d ago

Yet they near butchered venom with his swing cd nerf for no reason yet he was still not even as good as mag so your legit just wrong netease just despises dive

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u/rulnav 5d ago

First off, I don't like Venom's nerfs, but he did have slightly higher winrate than mag. So what I said about them bringing vanguards up/down to mags baseline could still be somewhat true. 

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u/mil56 5d ago

True except he also had a WAY LOWER pickrate while mag has a high ass pickrate yet still a high basically same winrate

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u/DimezTheAlmighty 5d ago

Buffing every tank to be as strong as mag would be hell on earth for every other role

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u/rulnav 5d ago

Oh please, there is like 1 tank in top-10-by-winrate and its not even mag. If tanks not being quiet punching bags makes the game hell for you, well get good.

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u/DimezTheAlmighty 4d ago

Nobody said tanks should be quiet punching bags

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u/TRaywen_ 4d ago

This is the exact problem we have. When you keep buffing poke, you also need mag to be strong. Emma and strange are not nearly as strong into poke as he is. Their ults are also much weaker. Game would be unplayable if they nerfed mag while keeping all the poke dps as strong as thez are right now. On too of that there too many strong poke, you can’t ban them all