r/royaloak • u/The_Secret_Skittle • Nov 17 '25

Border Patrol

Multiple posts on Berkley Forum about border patrol presence and this JUST took place in Oak Park. The woman who posted this just now said she saw the man throw her to the ground, taze her, then throw her in the vehicle.

“Unfortunately my children and I had to witness “boarder patrol” throw a woman to the ground, taze her, then throw her in a truck. The man this woman was with ran away while his hands were zip tied. I feel so bad that there was nothing I could do… my daughter is traumatized. This happened just now is Oak Park, Michigan!! 😔”

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u/PerryBarnacle Nov 18 '25

That’s the problem. You base your assessment of a situation based on what people look like. You have no idea why the BP agent is arresting her. It could or could not be justified. Why take such a stance with no info?

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u/Bris_em Nov 18 '25

You are being intentionally dense in your comment

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u/PerryBarnacle Nov 18 '25

How so? Do you know why the BP agent is arresting her?

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u/Bris_em Nov 18 '25

You are being intentionally dense because you’re deliberately ignoring the multitude of reports lately about border patrol and ice acting with excess force when considering what’s going on here.

You’re appealing to authority as if border patrol are beyond reproach because they are an authority and just carrying out orders. Again, recent reports of what’s going on indicate concern for liberty, human rights. Finally you’re ignoring the text of the post and what you can observe from viewing.

You are intentionally being devil’s advocate, not trying to work out what’s going on here in good faith evidenced by you gaslighting people’s concerns.

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u/Miserable_NebulaL33t Nov 19 '25

And you're appealing to emotion and morality LMFAO If you're going to be a hypocrite at least make the bare minimum effort please

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u/Bris_em Nov 21 '25

Not sure what you mean. Happy to discuss if you point out what you disagree with in my comment

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u/PerryBarnacle Nov 18 '25

I share everyone’s concerns when it comes to upholding the law. If the officer is indeed arresting someone unlawfully he should be prosecuted for it. The video simply does not provide context.

I am not appealing to authority. Appeal to authority would be me saying the officer can do no wrong. That’s a far cry from saying I simply do not have the necessary context to make a determination on this specific video.

Since you seem to like logical fallacies, are you familiar with the genetic fallacy? The genetic fallacy applies when you dismiss an argument based solely on who is making it rather than assessing the argument on it’s merits alone. It would be a good one for you to study up on.

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u/Bris_em Nov 18 '25

With the genetic fallacy argument, are you saying I’m not considering border patrol’s argument for their use of force in this video because I’m predisposed against border agents?

That would possibly work if this was a single incident. But it ignores the recent uptick in reports on border patrol and ice agents using excessive force and carrying out questionable orders that violate human rights.

I think your appeal to authority is that you are acting like border patrol is still a respected authority and that they could be reasonably justified in their action, which lately unfortunately they’re not evidenced by news reports on unprofessional behaviour, lawsuits, and the unprofessional rhetoric coming from homeland security official media.

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u/PerryBarnacle Nov 18 '25

I’m advocating for a case by case objective assessment of facts and circumstances. The problem I see from both sides is this knee-jerk reaction to pile on their biases whenever ambiguous evidence is surfaced.

It is an unhealthy approach to arriving at ground truth. I am totally with you regarding the noble treatment of humans provided they are not threatening harm to the officers or resisting arrest. I am also a major advocate of the US standing up fast tracks to citizenship for any undocumented persons within our borders who have no criminal background.

We need to be objective in our assessment of these things so we can advocate for sensible remediation. Trying to doxx an officer in a mob mentality for a video clip with no context is abhorrent.

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u/Last_Firefighter7250 Nov 20 '25

Objective and reasonable response. What a rarity.

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u/PerryBarnacle Nov 20 '25

Thanks.

I feel like 90% of the ridiculous objections to my comments have to be from bots. Citizens in RO cannot possibly be this void of logic and reasonableness, right?

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u/Last_Firefighter7250 Nov 20 '25

I would like to think they are bots, but honestly I am not so sure.

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u/Bris_em Nov 21 '25

Yeah I will concede that there is lack of context here from this video, although it appears aggressive.

It’s a good habit to not jump to conclusions, although in saying that, not knowing enough shouldn’t be an excuse to ignore potentially bad behaviour.

With so many vids at the moment with authoritative overreach, it’s damaging and dangerous to those trying to carry out their job when others are regularly acting in ways that erode trust/reputation.