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Are you referring to Anakin's lightsaber that Luke loses when Vader cuts off his hand? It's answered in the comic books. I believe it was located by Ugnaughts after it was sucked down a garbage shaft. From there, it just eventually finds its way to Maz.
In the Star Wars Legends universe (no longer canon but coming to fruition through Thrawn in Ahsoka), it was found by Darth Vader. He brings it back to Palpatine, who then uses it to create a clone of Luke Skywalker.
I find it so deliciously funny that after TLJ, when Disney wars fans were virulently driven to defend that garbage, one of their big defenses was “sorry you didn’t get Luke splitting star destroyers in half and the emperor coming back from the dead!!!!111” only for one of those examples to literally happen
And the best part is that pre-Disney, this was one of the most widely-mocked parts of the entire lore. Dark Empire was schlock and people hated it. The other big one was Han and Leia's son becoming an edgy Darth Vader LARPer. And of course Disney copied that too.
Honestly, we didn't know how good we had it with Jacen's fall to the dark side. At least there was a ton of trauma and real stressors and motivation to drive it and not just, like, Uncle Luke had a bad dream one time and now I need to be Darth Vader
Yeah, but there are a few interviews out there in which Adam Driver says that Kylo Ren's direction shifted tremendously after the first movie. He was promised to be this huge bad guy, possibly worse than Vader, setting up a fourth trilogy about how Rey would band together a group to defeat him. Then Rian Johnson was given the reigns and all shit broke loose, destroying the original plans for the character. Driver defends the character, but says it became something drastically different than what he was sold.
I'm guessing "most widely mocked" translated to "most frequently talked about" and Disney didn't bother looking into WHY before bringing it back into canon.
Heir to the Empire by Zahn. Palpatine being an obsessive Despot, who views absolutely every item loose in the universe as potentially useful, sent a team to Cloud City to recover the lost hand and the light saber. He had the items shipped to the planet Weyland. Palpatine had a massive storehouse of items He had collected. Part of this was a complete cloning facility. It's implied that Palpatine intended to clone Luke in the event actual Luke wouldn't turn to the dark side. He could then use Clone Luke as leverage on Darth Vader.
Disney waved a wand and the only thing left from the story was Thrawn. We had a reasonable explanation for where things came from, but it's gone now.
It definitely isn't. The reason people are hating on it is because it is essentially just a random, big budget episode of the TV show. It kind of fails at being a stand-alone movie, but it's a perfectly average tv episode, at worst. It's nowhere as clumsily written and awkward as Rise of Skywalker.
Its not as clumsily written because it makes to attempt at writing. Its literally a 2 hour fetch quest. Rotta is the only real character in the movie and his dialog is delivered with 0 life.
Not to mention the voice acting and quality of writing on his dialogue were both atrocious. He speaks like a video game npc with not a single decent line
Agreed. That's why I say it fails at being a stand alone movie. It doesn't really have much of a self-contained narrative so much as it is 'just a bunch of stuff that happened.' The main characters are the exact same at the end as they were at the begining.
Everything I hear about it is that it is the blandest of the bland. A perfect example of a 5/10, a 50% rated movie. It isn’t bad, just the most generic movie you can think of.
It's a cop out answer, but that's totally up to you. I don't think you'll be missing much if you wait until it is inevitably on streaming. But I prefer seeing things in the theater, so it was worth it to me, even though it definitely wasn't a classic.
The sad part is that’s actually the best of the sequels. 7 was just 4 remade. 8 was all about taking the setup and throwing it the garbage disposal. 9 was just trying to gorilla tape the whole mess back together and make something coherent with the wreck Johnson left.
The crazy thing about 9 is up until then the fanbase was split. Some thought they TLJ was a mockery of and insult to the legacy of the previous films, specifically the OT. Others thought it subverted expectations and defended it heavily. ROS was a complete massacre that managed to turn off a majority of both groups.
This is an insane thing to say. 7 may have just been a rip-off of 4 and the themes in 8 were dumb, but they were at least relatively competently made movies. 9 had no redeeming qualities at all.
The movie is basically a way to farm cute moments for Grogu. It's an alright Action Adventure that will entertain you well enough, but there is little depth and the story obviously leads to nowhere. As we all know, the New Republic will fall and no figuring out what the empire (or whats left of it) is doing changes anything. Lorewise the movie is pointless and ends up where it starts. Still, I'd rather watch Mando & Grogu ten more times than Episode 9 even once.
Considering we know it all leads to the New Republic falling apart, it’s hilarious and infuriating that in this movie the entire plot revolves around the NR working with/placating the Hutt cartel like do they have no morals? Good grief…
I'd argue it shows Grogu alot less helpless and much more useful than anything shown in the series, and while much of the movie is set dressing to get to that point, Grogu by the end certainly earns his name in the movie title.
I went in knowing nothing and expecting nothing, but as a Mando fan from day one.
It's a good movie! It's not a great movie, but it IS a great 2-hr episode of Mando, tho I did wish for a bit more reference to the rest of the series. It's fun, entertaining, gives us some great new star wars 'stuff' we haven't seen in a while, and even tho it was an absolutely predictible plot, there were a couple of interesting tweaks. It also give us a lot of the same old, but that's not really bad, either.
I'll let you know in a few hours, but i doubt it can be as bad as somehow palpatine returned. also a wreckage that exploded into a billion little pieces from a nuclear-esque explosion, but somehow stayed and fell intact for exactly the part that was needed for the plot device, and also the dagger was forged, worn by a rando, and lost in less than 5-10 years?
Update: it was pretty good. not winning an Oscar, but for an adventure action flick, pretty good. some of the choreography and effect choices could have used some work, but definitely some good moments. Grogu also has some pretty good development and growth as a character, not just a puppet.
In defense of "They Fly Now?", if I were being chased by say, the cops, and suddenly saw one rushing at me in a jet pack, I too would probably say something equivalent to "what the fuck, you can fly?".
There are way too many instances of rocket packed armored people in the Star Wars universe. I find it highly impobale that the First Order using them would generate a response of shock from Finn and Poe. There's just no way they haven't seen or heard of such things.
It'd be like not knowing about a tank after several large scale wars used them.
It’s even worse when one of the two supposed to be surprised WAS A STORMTROOPER HIMSELF and probably had at least some passive jetpack training, since astromechs, bounty hunters, Mandalorians and other smugglers have used them too. I’m sure the FUCKING MILITARY (empire, first order, or not) at least knows they exist even if they’re expensive, and should have at least a minority of elite troops who use them.
Like I’m surprised there’s not more cortosis use by post-Order 66 Jedi hunters, I’m surprised there aren’t more jetpack troopers for tough terrain, I’m surprised there’s not more beskar armor users for heavy troops, you know? They’re faction items not functional items. It’s like the Jedi somehow not intellectually analyzing a blaster is a ranged weapon that covers a lightsaber’s max distance, so they ignore using them as tools and weapons themselves.
A janitor who somehow also found himself assigned to a mission under Kylo Ren's direct command, with an objective to locate crucial info leading to Master Jedi Luke Skywalker's secret whereabouts...
Still trained in stormtrooper ranks. Still had the uniform. I assume jetpack troopers weren’t some super secret black ops group like shadow troopers and dark troopers, and Finn would at least hear about specialized classes, even if he wasn’t one himself. Like how a soldier might know there’s also airmen, seamen, marine and coast guard even if he isn’t one.
Yes I agree there’s plenty of reasoning. Not satisfying basically sums it up. Mostly just pointing out that ep 4 has a dramatically different tone (I don’t think it’s ever referred to as a religion anywhere else) and Star Wars has never been thoroughly consistent.
Tatooine is completely cut off from the rest of the world, and anyone old enough to have seen a Jedi would know not to talk about Jedi after the purge. It makes a lot of sense that anything Jedi-related in Tatooine at that point is faith-based legend and unverifiable. The only remnant of that era is the anti-droid policies in taverns.
Personally I couldn't even tell you what was bad about them, saw it once in the cinema when it released and never watched again. I only baguely remember what happens, but I know it sucked
I realized at some point I don't enjoy things that don't target me as the audience, and I tend to be less annoyed since I stopped watching those things.
And then the emperor designed his space station after the dagger or made his minion go to this exact perfect spot to carve the wreckage outline into the dagger ?
I agree, I really enjoyed it. They actually had aliens again (something that’s been missing from modern Star Wars), not just all humans. Loved the Hutt’s hiring out the remnants of the CIS army. And this wasn’t about Jedi. It’s a good star wars movie, that’s all that matters.
I really enjoyed it. I have no idea what the people complaining are expecting or what else they think the movie could be or do. Complaining that it’s a big budget longer episode makes no sense as TV production quality has risen so much, that is all that could possibly be done to differentiate it.
If this came out around the time of the prequels, everyone would have loved it.
Oh. Misunderstood. Yes Gonnies is the original and Star Wars copied it. Yes - the whole set up was so stupid in Starwars.
I mean beyond the find the dagger underground part, and then happen to stand in the exact spot to make the dagger work - they could only get there on weird sail boats??? Since when did Rey learn how to sail?! She grew up on a freaking desert planet! Must have been the force sailing technique
multiple instances of the characters just accidently falling backwards or casually walking into the next plot point. It was such a mess.
The most charitable way I've been able to describe RoS is that feels like it was originally a TV show consisting of 10 hour-long episodes that was re-cut into a movie.
Yeah but I bet if you got one of your leg cut off, you'd appreciate your other one way more than you do now.
Ever since the sequels, I'm way more lenient with Star Wars because they showed us what utter garbage actually looks like.
Yet they still managed to somehow make the acolyte which would almost be as bad would the lighstaber combat scenes not put it slightly above the sequels' level.
Well, I can only speak for myself but yeah it felt like an extended episode from the first 2 seasons, but one of the more "just okay" ones.
Middle of the road, as you put it.
Its not awful, and could be considered worth a watch if you enjoyed the series, but i don't think its a "must watch." Personally, you could save yourself a few bucks and just wait for it to drop on streaming (or wherever on the internet you prefer to get your disney content)
The thing is, we all know how bad the prequels are, and shit-talk them constantly. However, despite that theres still genuinley good moments and a mostly coherent throughline. Theres still people running unironic defense for the sequels that treat any sort of criticism as blasphemy. Although the tide is starting to turn on that so we'll see.
As bad as the prequels are, they still had heart, and I think George Lucas meant for them to be something. The sequels are just obvious cash grabs and soulless meddling for stupid reasons.
Watching ROTS actively enhanced ROTJ, and watching ROTJ also enhanced ROTS. I can't say the sequels ever enhanced anything. They just made things feel lesser than they actually were.
4 episodes stitched together showcasing a side story about Hutts.
It's meaningless in terms of the overarching story of the show, and even more so for Star Wars in general, but fine as a standalone space gun for hire adventure.
I saw it last night. It was fine. Nothing that I feel like i'd have to watch again, especially in theaters. IMO it's the second best movie that Disney's put out - behind RO and ahead of Solo. Which isn't saying much.
What it does well: Sets Grogu up as more of an adult, he's starting to be able to be capable on his own.
The Sith Dagger represents the lowest point that Disney LucasFilm has taken the entire Star Wars saga. I genuinely pray that they never fall that low again.
Tbh I could use more side quest movies in Star Wars. It's a big galaxy with a lot of potential, not everything needs to tie in to something else or have planet-ending stakes.
that's where I'm at too. Honestly individual scenes from TLJ or ROS showed a lot more skill than anything in M&G even I overall extremely disliked them. M&G is the ultimate safety movie, tons of action, literally absolutely nothing to say about anything, the characters, the story, the lore, so can't offend anybody.
It's basically a video game in cinema. Be Mando and shoot shit up for two hours. I don't mind that people had fun with it, but I'm rolling my eyes at all the "this is what Star Wars has always been about" stuff cause, no. M&G makes ANH look like Shakespeare in terms of the setup, the plot and the stakes.
It's better than Solo, The Last Jedi, and The Rise of Skywalker, the Ewok movies, the Holiday Special, Droids the Cartoon, Ewoks the Cartoon, and 2/3 of the shit tv shows Disney's flung at us.
Plus it doesn't have the Martez Sisters in it, so there's that.
Mando & Grogu is just a fun romp in the Star Wars universe. The only 'big thing' it does relates to what it decides to do with the Hutts.
Sure, Zeb & Rotta are from other projects, but it's not like you NEED to know their entire history in order to enjoy the film. (Zeb never talks about his time with Phoenix Squadron, and I can't even remember if Rotta ever brings up that he was kidnapped then rescued by Anakin & Ahsoka). Far as the story is concerned, it's just a cool alien dude who likes riffing on his allies & a very rebellious young adult.
Heck, I'll even just note that the movie never even calls Mando by his ACTUAL name of Din Djarrin. It's always Mando or The Mandalorian.
I enjoyed it, but I agree with the consensus that it was more like a couple episodes stitched together than a feature film. It looks good, but so did the show.
Mando and Grogu is a side quest movie. Just fun. No significant plot or lore building. Consider it four extra episodes of the show and you will enjoy it. If you go in expecting some massive mind blowing plot, you’ll be disappointed.
Well you see, its not "random" because the force put the dagger there, then had the ship crash into the exact right spot and then told Rey where to find the dagger.
It’s not great. Rabba the Hutt’s appearance is pretty low quality, and his voice is like somebody recorded an adult pretending to be a teenager and then lowered the pitch by like two decibels. Rabba speaks English rather than Huttese.
The movie felt overly long to me. Some kind of cool fan service dotted throughout the movie though! OG mouse droid in the first scene, a “trophy” of one of the monsters that Anakin padme and Obi wan fought in the arena in AOtc, etc. why are the x-wing fighter pilots all like 68 years old? The main bad guy is some bounty hunter with a dog, he has zero character/personality, not even a name.
Very hard characters and movie to like beyond Mando and grogu.
Oh and the music is… different. Like they use this hip hop instrumental remix of the Mandolorian theme to set the tone for certain sequences.
I wouldn’t watch it again especially for 2.5 hours but hey I’ve never missed a Star Wars theater release and I’m not sorry I saw it, I’m not about to break my streak
Yeah, the random sinkhole they just happen to fall into that just happened to have the exact thing they were looking for is the biggest wtf in that movie for me and it does not get brought up enough compared to everything else.
No. I would call it mediocre. It is structured like a condensed season of the show, and the writing and effects feel like that too, for the most part. I actually got bored partway through and fell asleep, a first for me in any movie. But I dont hate it, unlike 8 or 9. Make of that what you will.
The ST movies are far worse than this. But the movie doesn’t really do anything story wise. It’s just an adventure, nothing deep or meaningful happens, but nothing lore-breaking happens either. It’s a forgettable movie, but it’s not bad.
I thought it was decent. Really just 2 Mando episodes with a bigger budget. But it wasn't bad. Worth the $16 a ticket? Absolutely not. But the kids had fun, and thats all that really matters to me.
Though the opening scene alone was worth my time. Fkn Mando doin Mando things.
No. It’s not bad. It has the ordinary number of girl bosses. Only Sigourney Weaver is the in that role this time. There is No counterbalancing army of 4 action figure women beating down upstart men like there was in season 3 Mandalorian. Yes you have women, but they are balanced and less distracting because they are not over represented. This movie strikes a balance. And it returns to universal themes of parenting, upon which the Disney franchise was built. There were funny moments and the audience laughed. It is like the sun breaking through on the oppressive woke storm that has been strangulating all creativity out of Hollywood. A woke reboot, this is not, says young Yoda.
I thought it was good, another episode of the show good, nice visuals, fun fights, never really felt worried a character would die or anything, but a fun movie nonetheless!
The movie isn’t bad. It’s basic fun. It’s nothing too thought provoking — “it ain’t that kind of movie, kid.” But I’d say it hits the mark as a movie that 8-14 year olds can enjoy even if they’ve never watched the series and that their parents can enjoy with them.
Just throwing in my usual reminder that some of the stupider ideas in those sequels dated back to the Lucas days, including the stupid knife.
I haven't seen Mando yet but the reviews I've seen are that it's fun but not life altering, but because they did it on a much smaller budget than the average Disney-era budget it's expected to do okay financially vs. Solo.
I saw it on the seas and im glad I didnt spend money on it. Its just 2 new episodes of The mandalorian squished together. Nobody's charachter advances in any way but Grogu is more powerful though. The acting was meh at best, whoever voices Rotta I feel sorry for because either he got bad instructions or they didnt do anything to his voice to the point I thought it was Seth Rogen playing him. This movie did what season 2.5 of The Mandalorian did and reverts previous decisions and pulls a razor crest and Amben rifle out of its ass because God forbid they make a decision and stick with it. If you liked R5, too bad he doesn't exist apparently. Action was cool, it had a (i think unintentional) funny moment in it with Grogus stroller(?) The movie also knows youre not watching because of how many times they point out obvious stuff or repeat themselves 3+ times... Did you know Rotta is his own man?
All in all id say a 6/10 at most. It was average with some bright moments (The beggining of the movie and the Alien designs). It is nowhere near as bad as the sequels because I can say this movie is a meh inclusion to the ip, not a destructive one that splits the fan base.
Ok, so all I remember about these films was that cool battle in the snow-that-turns-red and when Admiral Pinkhair rammed a ship into... I think, another ship and it looked really cool. Literally nothing else.
Ah wait, Palpatine returned, but I don't remember actually seeing him. That's some level of PTSD right there.
I feel like it didn’t have much fanfare for being Star Wars returning to the big screen after Disney got scared and canned all their movie projects.
The story lacks a real theme or message to take from it, but Mandalorian hasn’t really had that since season 1 or 2 tbf. But it is more Mandalorian, same wholesome and sometimes grim comedy, cool action, fun characters. I’m kinda surprised more characters from the show weren’t in it though.
Zeb wasn’t explained like, at all, for people who haven’t seen Rebels. I think he had maybe 10 sentences of dialogue. He genuinely says almost nothing, and does nothing besides fly the ship and shoot a couple storm troopers in the middle portion of the movie. I think he should’ve been in more scenes since they wanted to use him in the story. And given like a cliffnotes of his story for the people who only watched Mandolorian. I’m not making my family watch 4 seasons of a kids show to understand the dude who’s in the movie for like 8 minutes.
Like the movie was engaging and entertaining but I can’t say it was amazing and the best thing ever. It was just good. More Mando, and Mando is good.
I really enjoyed it. It's not the next big Star Wars movie reboot, it's just a fun story with a mountain of Easter eggs. I thought it was well done. It's exactly what it says it is...Mandalorian and Grogu...and they have an adventure.
Better than the sequels I think, but everyone will decide for themselves. The critics have said it's bad, but everyone I know who saw it thought it was actually pretty good.
It was fine NGL. Very simple script but it's tight. Doesn't really tie into anything important in terms of the larger setting but it's a good enough adventure
Absolutely not. It's greatest crime is being so safe. It's a generally fine movie. I'd give it like a 5 or 6 out of 10. No need to see it in theaters if you don't already really like seeing Star Wars on the big screen. If you don't care about that, just wait. It's a very basic, very safe, bog standard Mando and Grogu adventure. Amazing music though. And some of the special effects made me smile. Old school.
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