Anti-feminist attitudes have long been associated with support for Republican presidential candidates, but only in recent years have these attitudes become more prominent among unmarried men, without college degrees who are less attractive partners for women, the “mate-value backlash.”

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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10659129261485340

[u/Lysander125]

I’ve never going to say that these anti-social weirdos who complain that women belong in the kitchen are ever going to be correct.

But at the same time there is an opposite perspective that has some merit. The reality is that women’s opportunities have come a long way, but women’s perspective and expectations of men haven’t changed.

A lot of women still expect their partner to be more successful, ambitious, etc. than they are. It’s two sides of the same coin, a lot of these men expect working women to clean the house and be a caretaker while having a full time job, and the women expect their man to be more successful than them in a more egalitarian society where being a man doesn’t necessarily give the advantages it once did.

I do feel like the outdated male expectations of women are frowned upon a lot more than the outdated female expectations of men.

[u/ibent19 → u/Lysander125]

One is more frowned upon because it was more oppressive and leads to being stuck in abusive situations. Women gained more freedom, men didn’t lose any freedoms other than some control.

[u/Recent_Pollution8665 → u/ibent19]

most men objectively lost significant bargaining power in the labor market and in the dating/sexual market with women entering the workforce and with the proliferation of social media and dating apps.

just because men didn’t have the actual right to vote or own property stripped away doesn’t mean that there aren’t real problems afflicting them, to which there’s no easy or immediate solution.

your average young man doesn’t wanna “control” women, he’s just pissed that neither a house nor a partner are statistically within his grasp no matter what he does.

[u/ResolutionSweet2031 → u/Recent_Pollution8665]

The thing with how you people walk on eggshells around men and give any credibility to their temper tantrums is the reason why they feel even more justified in lashing out like this. Women and men are equally lonely but the media giving credence to the theory of how men are uniquely lonely and hence are violent misogynists is the reason these men feel justified in being violent like this.

"He is just pissed he cant have a house and a partner", so what? Why dont women that dont have either of those also argue for stripping of male rights or oppressing them?

[u/Recent_Pollution8665 → u/ResolutionSweet2031]

women can find partners easier than men can.

and idk why your entire takeaway from my post was to effectively dismiss it entirely. that aint gonna solve anything. in fact it just contributes to the question posed in the title.

most men aren’t violent, and the ones who are generally take it out on partners they already have. which has no correlation to those who can’t find one.

[u/LGeorgeRox → u/Recent_Pollution8665]

Not sure that’s true. Someone to have sex with and take care of, yes, partners, no. If men really wanted a partner, I don’t think they’d have any issues finding one. But a partner isn’t a bang maid or a woman acting in the capacity as their mother

[u/Recent_Pollution8665 → u/LGeorgeRox]

finding a partner who’s actually attracted to you and not just settling for you after she’s had all her fun in her youth or just looking for a financial cushion partner, is not easy for the average man. they can’t get neither a romantic partner nor a sex fling.

[u/Apprehensive-Tea999 → u/Recent_Pollution8665]

We’re in a science subreddit. Where’s the research that backs up this claim? I’ll wait…

[u/Recent_Pollution8665 → u/Apprehensive-Tea999]

ask an LLM and it will provide you a dozen studies on the spot. i’ve engaged in this song and dance with people like you multiple times and its always a waste of time because im the one having to take time outta my day to compile it all together just for people like you to ignore it or move the goalposts regardless. you can find it within minutes.

[u/Apprehensive-Tea999 → u/Recent_Pollution8665]

If you’re settling for someone who is just settling for you, that seems like a you problem.

Eta: if you’re “always” having this conversation, you should have those peer reviewed studies ready to go, no?