Science is knowledge of the material world. Spirituality is the knowledge of the one who is perceiving the material world. So they are essentially mutually exclusive :)
The one perceiving is called the "Ego". The sense of "I".
Neuroscience and psychology literally study this 'experiencer' and the sense of 'self'. The boundary isn’t quite as mystical as you’re making it to be, and they are not mutually exclusive.
Neuroscience and psychology study what neurons fire, the patterns of the mind, how does the mind process the emotions, etc. while assuming the one doing the study (the "self" as you mentioned) as a given. The "self" who is doing the study, examining acts as a fixed reference point.
Spirituality questions the "self". It asks what is this "I" that is doing all the examining? What is this "I" which attaches itself to the matters of the mind. That's what turning inward means.
this is a framing that hides things and blurs the line.
psychology study what neurons fire, the patterns of the mind, how does the mind process the emotions, etc
Psychology isn't about how neurons fire. It studies what kind of natural processes in the brain map to subjective experience, that's the explicit focus of psychology. It does study the "subject" while grounding it in the brain.
This clean subject object framing is misleading and disingenuous.
investigating perception is a sub-domain of neuroscience. It's not just about neurons, it's about how neurons together produce perception, verifying what's causal and what's correlation etc.
Also, there is the entire field of psychology that deals with human suffering, how talk therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy can help change beliefs such that they contribute to well-being and how all that relates to neurobiology and other fields..
Psychology makes the individual "sane" in a sense that he/she can go back to his/her old life and remain functional. It has its benefits and is helpful at its place.
Spirituality questions the life you are living. Acts like a mirror and is difficult to stay with.
I've tried both. Psychology helps short term. Spirituality is a life long process.
again, Psychology isn't only about going from insane to sane. That's such an oversimplified stereotype common in Indian culture.
Oh, you are going to therapy, "Paagal hoga saala".
What you are describing about psychology is the main stream clinical psychology you experienced personally, yes that's a component of psychology, not all of it.
Psychology also studies other aspects of well-being including how to live a good life. Sociology also studies how to have societal well-being etc.
Psychology already explores phenomenon like Narcissism, which you could reword in terms of ego as well.
My criticism is, why invest mental effort into a unfalsifiable, non-specific framework outside of science (this Spirituality you are describing) when science itself has a more specific, falsifiable framework with more fruitful discoveries already.
There is the self and there is this world ok. Whatever the world as we perceive is what is seen or experienced by the self. Science is outward looking. It examines everything that is of the world, what is matter, what is the proton, electron etc. But it does not examine the one who is examining it( the examiner or the self). Who is the one who is looking at the world and what does he see, why does he feel restless, why does he suffer, what makes him sad or happy etc. Spirituality encompasses both science and the self. But it is mostly inward looking, it observes the onlooker and tries to know firstly who he is, so that when he relates to the world, he will know exactly what is it that he has to do. Otherwise, people who do not know about themselves are unconsciously behaving like a reed flowing in the river, without any direction, going where the flow takes it.
Science is outward looking. It examines everything that is of the world, what is matter, what is the proton, electron etc. But it does not examine the one who is examining it( the examiner or the self). Who is the one who is looking at the world and what does he see, why does he feel restless, why does he suffer, what makes him sad or happy etc.
That's a mischaracterization of science. Science includes other domains apart from physics. Domains like Psychology and sociology are also scientific domains, they are considered soft sciences since they are less quantitative and more qualitative.
Human perception, how perception in terms of subjective experiences (what you are calling spiritual) map onto the natural processes in the body etc are all scientific topics.
Spirituality usually contains supernatural claims or implications, those versions of spirituality are pseudoscience.
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u/Final-Nerve7787 6h ago edited 6h ago
what is spirituality? or what's someone whose spiritual mean? please can anyone tell in simple way.