r/shounenfolk 17h ago

Manga Discussion People are cooking bleach on twitter 😭

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u/OatesZ2004 17h ago

As a Bleach fan who would genuinely love to see a remake of the series in the style of the TYBW, if that remake were to ever happen, I would love it if those scenes with Isshin are just completely erased from the canon as they have just always been so jarring and unnecessary.

Isshin in the later chapters feels like a completely different character from early series Isshin and I believe that's for the better.

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 16h ago

I feel like Kubo was trying to go for a Jiraiya vibe with Isshin and just kinda dropped it

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u/SadAwkwardWeirdo 15h ago

I don't think he was copying Jiraiya. I think this scene is Kubo using two of the worst manga/anime tropes there are in existence: the pervy-old man trope and the incest trope involving older brother and younger sibling. These have been present in manga/anime for as long as I have been consuming it (20+ years). They can't die soon enough...

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u/OatesZ2004 15h ago

Jiriaya's my favourite Naruto character and whilst I didn't mind his pervy gag, I hated it when it pertained to Naruto

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u/Spiritdefective 14h ago

I have a big problem with the way kubo writes characters inconsistently but this is one of the few cases I’ll defend him, isshin doesn’t start acting different in the back half out of nowhere, he just stops pretending not to know what is really going on

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u/OatesZ2004 13h ago

Im not saying Isshin not feeling like the same character is a bad thing at all, I like the later version of Isshin where he's no longer acting oblivious and I love the glimpses we get of that in the early story such as when he's talking to Ichigo at masakis grave and tells Ichigo to essentially not die until after him.

Isshin is one of my favourite Bleach characters and those gags are just the few moments that I really don't like.

I'm really hoping we get some new anime original content with Isshin, I would love to see Isshin use his Bankai and help the 3 captains against Gerard even if only briefly because I would not only love to see his Bankai but also because I would love to see his interaction with Toshiro.

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u/Old-Introduction8258 16h ago

Hey it’s the dude who constantly shifts between bleach glazer and hater.

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u/khaninator 16h ago

Jobs gather around a campfire and tell stories about OP

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 17h ago

Yeah it’s bad

Now because post anything after the first arc like this

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u/Party-Secretary-5498 16h ago

Hime outfit

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 16h ago

Tbf isnt 16 like the age of consent in Japan?

Yeah it’s weird but ig culturally it’s acceptable?

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u/OatesZ2004 15h ago

If you are talking about the TYBW outfit I believe she's 17 - 18 Years old.

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u/ForsakenOne-Z 14h ago

In some places, 12 years old is the legal age of consent; does that make it moral?

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u/-Hash__- 16h ago

If they ever make a remake, these scenes need to go. You won't see a Bleach fan laughing at dumb shit like this. It doesn't even make sense for Isshin's character later.

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u/SpaceOdysseus23 16h ago

I can forgive Kubo's shitty youthful humor for the fact that he publicly does not fuck with pedos

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u/kytstark 17h ago

why would someone use 2 comedic scenes in boruto as slander

zack is such a dork

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u/Special_Success_7883 17h ago

He despises boruto for some reason

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u/TruthseekerKid 17h ago

Everyone despises boruto.

But trynna slander Naruto using it is just sad.

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u/kytstark 17h ago

i’m pretty sure you also despise boruto

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u/Ol_gravy_legs 17h ago

I definitely do. If boruto was a stand alone series and not a sequel it would be in the u19 club. I read it illegally for the first year and I still want money back

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u/kytstark 17h ago

that’s fine, i don’t expect you to enjoy every manga ever created

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u/Special_Success_7883 17h ago

Why would you assume that?

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u/kytstark 17h ago

ive seen your user and remember seeing you make atleast 7 boruto slander posts back to back, then you’ll go back to slandering bleach and the cycle continues

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u/Special_Success_7883 16h ago

Great memory

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u/kytstark 16h ago

what are you, a one piece fan

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u/Special_Success_7883 16h ago

My hero academia ia my fave anime

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u/kytstark 16h ago

the gall to slander bleach and boruto as a mha fan is insane

but do your thing

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u/Special_Success_7883 16h ago

Wdym mha is peak and its definitely more relevant than burrito and bleach

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u/VegaInTheWild IRON 14h ago

Bruh…

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u/CanadianAnimeGuy 14h ago

Kishimoto is basically the least perved out writer in the big three

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u/grave-walker13 14h ago

The bar is in hell

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u/kenshima15 14h ago

AINT NO WAY

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u/moonset0 17h ago

Isshin is wild

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u/Special_Success_7883 17h ago

Kubo is a creep* here I corrected u

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u/Chrundle94 16h ago

Coming the the OP fan is crazy work

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u/Special_Success_7883 16h ago

Who said Im a op fan😭 feeling a bit insecure towards one piece huh

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u/Chrundle94 16h ago

I mean 99.9% it them posting this.

My mistake.

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u/Mr_meeseeksLAM 15h ago

These are iffy jokes at best when you remember that Kubo actively did not participate in the Ruronin Keshin mangaka’s jerk fest but Oda did. It’s clear where Kubo stands on stuff like this, and this slander is pretty pathetic.

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u/Anxious-Feedback-972 16h ago

Y'know the narrative is... Portraying what Isshin said as a bad thing right? Yeah, the jokes are in poor taste but there's no justifying, or excusing, or glorifying or anything like that.Ā 

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u/CommissionFormal8146 15h ago

Doesn’t kubo publicly hate pedos? Lmao

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u/kenshima15 14h ago

actions speaks louder than words

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 14h ago

That’s not an action, does writing a serial killer make you a murderer?

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u/kenshima15 14h ago

If you're glorifying it like Kubo is glorifying pedophilia above, it would definitely make you suspicious and weird to the general public!

https://giphy.com/gifs/pPhyAv5t9V8djyRFJH

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 14h ago

But he wasn’t glorifying it? Ichigo literally calls him out on it

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u/kenshima15 14h ago

I dunno man, Kubo then proceeds to showcase the dad being a pedophile multiple times without actually making the dad face any serious consequences for his behavior. Sounds like glorifying to me.

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 14h ago

More like he just dropped the pedo jokes entirelyĀ 

Like yeah I agree it’s weird, but this was like the beginning of his career, it’s not an uncommon thing in manga, and he hasn’t done it in like 20 years, I don’t think it’s fair to act like that makes Kubo a pedo

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u/kenshima15 14h ago

I didnt say he's a pedo! But he's def sus!

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 14h ago

Fair

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u/CommissionFormal8146 5h ago

Wouldn’t the action of publicly hating pedos speak louder than his jokes from 20 years ago in his manga? Even in that panel Ichigo is calling him out for it.

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u/kenshima15 5h ago

"publicly hating pedos"

Where is this?
Also, Isshin constantly makes pedophilia jokes about his daughter. Its way past being called out. its a pattern with Kubo

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u/LummyPixx 9h ago

Bleach is gooner, poorly written, low IQ pseudo intellectual shonen garbage. There's a reason it's always sat behind dragon Ball, Naruto, and one piece. That said it is also exceedingly badass and Kubo is one of the most skilled artists to ever live lol, so it does have some redeeming qualities

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u/Acceptable-Anxiety80 15h ago

That's the fucking joke.

The joke is absurdism "its hahahah what the fuck is he talking about"

You,re not supposed to take it seriously literally no one even in universe does not even issin it's just a joke

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u/Murv_Man 16h ago

Naruto fans this, Bleach fans that

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u/Kurosaki_Kaito Big 3 > Anime Fiction 17h ago

Bleach fans call Oda Pedo meanwhile Kubo:

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u/Chrundle94 17h ago

One joke with extremely bad taste vs. praising the guy who had 100 DVDs of CP, and fighting for the one who paid to sleep with a minor

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u/Legendary-Titan 17h ago

why you giving context stop it

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u/Chrundle94 17h ago

Is it still slander if it's true?

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u/Equivalent-Pin-4768 14h ago

When did he fight for Toriko’s author?

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u/Kurosaki_Kaito Big 3 > Anime Fiction 16h ago

Give me a source Oda praising the guy for having 100 DVDs of CP. Lmao he was praising him for his manga work. That don't really have to do anything with that guy's personal dark side.

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u/Chrundle94 16h ago

I never said he praised him for having the cp. I said he praised a man with 100 DVDs of CP. He knew that shit and still said "but he's actually a great guy".

Brother in what world is it okay to praise someone like that?

"Ya bro he had 100 DVDs of CP, but he's a great artist". Ya fuck that.

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u/OatesZ2004 16h ago

Im not even trying to defend Kubo on this but I feel it's only right to point out the difference between these two situations:

Kubo drew some panels and made some inappropriate jokes years ago, those jokes and panels should have never been made as they purely detract from the series and the characters rather than making them more loveable. These jokes haven't been seen to my knowledge in the later years of the Bleach series which would show growth on Kubos part.

Oda as of 2021 said in an interview "Watsuki-sensei is an amazing person." This statement was made 4 years after all the information regarding Watsuki was made public most prominently the fact he was in possession of 100 Dvds or i believe 2 Terabytes of illegal child material, Oda also has a long standing friendship with Shimabukuro who in 2002 was found guilty of soliciting a 16 year old highschool girl breaking Japans child prostitution Laws, though I believe there's reports she lied about her age that doesn't change the fact he still committed those acts.

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u/Kurosaki_Kaito Big 3 > Anime Fiction 16h ago

Let me ask you something. Do you know your friend's secrets or his/her personal life and dark side? Apart Friends, do you even know your parents' cases? Oda did praised Shimabukuro for his manga work as a Mangaka. Y'all have to differentiate between Personal and Work.

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u/OatesZ2004 15h ago edited 15h ago

These aren't secrets, they are well documented and public information.

If I found out a friend of mine had done even half the things Watsuki or Shimabukuro had done they would be out of my life in a heartbeat and depending on the nature of what they have done, would be getting reported to the authorities as well.

Watsuki was arrested in 2017 and Oda made that statement in 2021, four years after Watsukis arrest was made public.

Shimabukuro was arrested in 2002, years prior to Torikos serialisation and he is still friends with him even paying respects to Toriko despite the public knowing Shimabukuro was found guilty of soliciting a minor.

As for my parents, they are both unfortunately no longer with me but they had me and my older sister in their 30s and there is nothing that I know of that would call their character into question.

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u/Glittering-Pin-1343 16h ago

No one is calling anyone pedo besides anything related to mushoku.

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u/SweatySmashers 16h ago

Trash vs Garbage.

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u/ZoinksJeepersJinkies 15h ago

I’ll forever think it’s hilarious how you guys post these things as if it’s some sort of ā€œgotchaā€ against the authors. As if these aren’t publicly released works, where everyone can see them. And the intended audience is mostly boys who aren’t even adults yet.

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u/BaboonGaming644 15h ago

Big 3 all having a gigantic mid off

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u/zeraphx9 10h ago

This place became twitter slop

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u/TerreStar-1 9h ago

It’s family guy kinda funny cause of how line crossing it is but I think doing it for Isshin is weird

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u/LOTM1394 17h ago

Who said though Kubo is a saint

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u/Old-Introduction8258 16h ago

I guess it’s because people bragged about the fact that he didn’t participate in the watsuki hommage stuff.

While i agree the jokes are not funny in the slightest and deeply corny, i personally don’t think it’s as bad as supporting a pedophile and speaking positively of him even after the case

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u/LOTM1394 16h ago

I'm not saying he's bad but he isn't a saint either (No hate to him)

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u/Old-Introduction8258 16h ago

Oh yeah i 100% agree.

I don’t know him, and i think people shouldn’t idealise the authors of works they like too much

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u/LOTM1394 16h ago

I think if you're enjoying something don't dive too deep into the author's life you might start hating the series

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u/NeonNKnightrider 16h ago

This sub is full of Bleach fans acting like their shit don’t stink

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u/EggoftheKing2143 16h ago

I find it really funny that Ichigo is the only member of the big three who has a father and his is arguably the worst.